it is amazing drama, worth a watch HOWEVER. It is toxic behaviour/relationships everywhere (romantic, family etc),…
well i think hes redeemable. also now hes suffering the consequences however it is still romance so take that yo considerations. but i think you need to see if u like it or not. give it a chance snd make your own opinion as every person has different level of toxicity that they can take
I started ep 1 the other day but I couldn't finish. I simply don't understand how Kelvin can enslave Veir (opening…
it is amazing drama, worth a watch HOWEVER. It is toxic behaviour/relationships everywhere (romantic, family etc), red flags all that jazz, so if that is not your thing and you cant diferenciarte that yeah in real life a nono but in a drama why not, you will not enjoy it. also first 3 or 4 eisodes have more timelines. the jail saving is 1 yr from the opening scene. a looooots happened inbetween. im 8 episodes in and still not all revealed.
I’ve just started episode 3. Does this get easier to follow? The time changes are so hard to follow right now.…
i had no problems but because im used this storytelling from books (my fave book has 3 timelines in duration aprox 20 years so ....) . you can check weTv youtube or their page/app as they have explanation for episode 1-4 where they tell the story in liniar fashion
when Kelvin hit lalit, he hit him because he got to know that kelvin is using vier for all that, but as per the…
what did you responded to? the comment is deleted. can you summarize what did they said? we all have different theories, I can tell you mine, I have sooooooo many
1. Kelvin said (I believe him) that after the kidnapping he was there and risked his life to save Veir. So why…
well again that is not point im making. the betrayl was there and shitty for sure. but someone lied to Vier about Kelvin AFTER the kidnapping. Veir was said he abandoned him where Kelvin said he risked his life. If it would change anything between them is up on discussion but the point is SOMEONE CLOSE TO VIER lied to him to break them up (as probably noone knew Kelvin was double faced at that time), so it was aimed on them as couple (romantic and business as well) so when it will all comes to light (which may or may not happen) it will be heartbreaking for Veir as its another hurt from close person.
and also the fact Veir leaving was the stressor that started Kelvins "mad spiral" so in a part person that did this is kind of responsible for what happened later. - which is what I think its my theory
1. Kelvin said (I believe him) that after the kidnapping he was there and risked his life to save Veir. So why…
well wouldnt that be the most cruel karma, as him trzing to protect veir from kelvin and beaking them up causing the whole suffering. we will see in the last 2 episodes
1. Kelvin said (I believe him) that after the kidnapping he was there and risked his life to save Veir. So why…
well the point im thinking is this. we know kelthe did not drop stuff to save veir, we saw that, but at that time they worked together and to accomplish their goal they needed that deal. So we also know that veir leaving him was the stressor that started the super obsessive behavior. if kelvin risked his life to save veir, as he said, i think he had the right to explain. what would happen after is another thing, they may stay together or break up. but the lying feels like concious attempt to split them (which happened) and if it was something clos to veir(his father maybe) isnt that person basicaly the cause of veir suffering? if it was the dad that would be super cruel turn of events
1. Kelvin said (I believe him) that after the kidnapping he was there and risked his life to save Veir. So why…
well maybe not men in general but men fromthat family???? Also iknow veirs dad told veir kelvin is not good guy so can he be the big bad? tryingbto destroy king group (not sure why tho) and protect veir. he couldnt predict kelvin snaps and go grazy hurting his son even more. ihope not as veir does not need more hurt but can that be a option??????
1. Kelvin said (I believe him) that after the kidnapping he was there and risked his life to save Veir. So why was Veir told Kelvin abandoned him????? - IF any of those below will not be answered I can cope, but I want answer to this one
2. RIP Lalit however I also believed Kelvin when he said Lalit was not in Malaysia at all and he felt weird about him so where he was and was he betraying Veir in that timeline
3. Also (I would have to rewatch) but did not Lavid said he met him in Malysia so if Lalit never was there they could not meet right? - but im not sure if I remember right
4. Also Lavid is SUS as hell. I dont know why but I have strange feeling about him. Can he be the mastermind behind everything. Because I think Lalit dying was not planned. I can not prove its just my theory
I cannot wrap my head around why so many people think Kelvin might try to manipulate Vier by hurting himself.…
I agree. Many ppl alse oversimplify Kelvin to just "a psychopat". He never had really anyone to teach him how to process his emotions in healty way + his childhood baggage and shit of a family. All his behavior and worldvies are affecting by that. He learned his lessons in the most brutal and sad way, by hurting the only person that ever loved him.
their basicaly "break up scene" is just masterfully done. there was no rage, guilt tripping or blaming, just sorrow and sadnes. there was no winner only 2 peopple that lost. I like it because it wasnt over the top, I could see tha Veir was just so tired, he just wanted to be done. Amazing scene.
Veir is doing bertter after their convo and separation because he has a family and friends. Kelvin on the other hand is ALONE to deal with the fallout which has 0 chance of getting better.
he tried to honor the "treat me as im dead" as best he can, but Veir made the contact first. And as he has noone to talk to, he selfarms as a coping mechanism. I also notized, that after that, when they shook hands and the nightmare, the cut he did was bigger/deeper than the others, which I think shows that fyzical contact was hard on him.
I think they will use the cutting not as a manipulation tactic, but rather a way to put them on equal mental/emotional level. Right now, Veir made a piece with the past and moved on, Kelvin did not, so i think they may use it in this way
i´d say (my opinion) that next wek will be officialy out episode 8 with fast track for episode 9 and the next…
ohh I totally get it. I could not resist tho :-) the episode is amazing, just as all that came before but be carefull not to see spoilers as it is worth the wait
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and also the fact Veir leaving was the stressor that started Kelvins "mad spiral" so in a part person that did this is kind of responsible for what happened later. - which is what I think its my theory
2. RIP Lalit however I also believed Kelvin when he said Lalit was not in Malaysia at all and he felt weird about him so where he was and was he betraying Veir in that timeline
3. Also (I would have to rewatch) but did not Lavid said he met him in Malysia so if Lalit never was there they could not meet right? - but im not sure if I remember right
4. Also Lavid is SUS as hell. I dont know why but I have strange feeling about him. Can he be the mastermind behind everything. Because I think Lalit dying was not planned. I can not prove its just my theory
their basicaly "break up scene" is just masterfully done. there was no rage, guilt tripping or blaming, just sorrow and sadnes. there was no winner only 2 peopple that lost. I like it because it wasnt over the top, I could see tha Veir was just so tired, he just wanted to be done. Amazing scene.
Veir is doing bertter after their convo and separation because he has a family and friends. Kelvin on the other hand is ALONE to deal with the fallout which has 0 chance of getting better.
he tried to honor the "treat me as im dead" as best he can, but Veir made the contact first. And as he has noone to talk to, he selfarms as a coping mechanism. I also notized, that after that, when they shook hands and the nightmare, the cut he did was bigger/deeper than the others, which I think shows that fyzical contact was hard on him.
I think they will use the cutting not as a manipulation tactic, but rather a way to put them on equal mental/emotional level. Right now, Veir made a piece with the past and moved on, Kelvin did not, so i think they may use it in this way