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Replying to KasuMi_LoVeR Dec 23, 2021
Title Snowdrop
Just a couple of snowflakes wannabe historians who are using this page as their thesis writing page. I seriously…
It's propaganda for the censors.
Replying to Jilliam Dec 23, 2021
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Director Jo Hyun-tak, who previously made SKY Castle – teamed up again with writer Yoo Hyun-mi – has claimed…
So what... are you saying that there weren't any romances during times of turmoil? How many war movies/dramas have there been made with romances in it? Was everyone in the 1987 a dissident or involved in the pro-democracy movement?
On Snowdrop Dec 23, 2021
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It seems like we're going around in circles. Yes, by now most of us know what the issues are and why some people on the internet are upset by this drama. The number of comments here are proof of it. Those who don't want to have the right not to watch it if they wish. Do these angry Knetz reflect the views of the population as a whole or are they an extreme noisy element? If you don't want to watch the show in solidarity, feel free not to. You should likewise respect someone else's right to watch it regardless of the reasons. Bombarding this place with comments about why you don't think anyone should watch it is counter-productive. It only increases curiosity about the show and gives JTBC free publicity.

It also disturbs me that there are voices here telling us what we can or cannot say. To say that we cannot comment on the history of other countries goes against the entire purpose of what the study history entails and it also demonstrates a lack of critical thinking. So what's the point then of studying world history if we don't get to think and comment about what's been done rightly or wrongly in the past? Why bother learning anything about anywhere in the world then?

I am concerned that all this sets a precedent for governments and all kinds of people to weaponize censorship on other projects in the future. If Snowdrop is propagating bad history than make the relevant arguments once the entire show has been seen.
Replying to Kimsamsoom Dec 23, 2021
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is the SK government suppose to be communist here? I am a bit confused now. In fact the whole writing on the political…
No. They are not communist but they are secretly doing a deal with the North Korean government to create some kind of "disturbance" in order to win an election.
On Snowdrop Dec 23, 2021
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I hope Jang Seung-jo's role is much bigger than it looks currently. He's such an underrated actor but there's no doubting his versatility. This must be the first time I've seen him with straight black hair. LOL.
Despite the fluffy stuff between the leads (which I like) the human rights abuses have definitely come through in these first couple of episodes with regards to how policing is done in that era. The regime is utterly corrupt as well manipulating all sides in order to win elections. (In that regard I'm reminded of The Veil)
Replying to AexyMauve Dec 22, 2021
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Hi guys, what's your favorite scene in Snowdrop in those 2 episodes?Mine is when the four bestfriends hid Jung…
The scene in the music shop and the way Jung Hae-in's character was following her movements with the amused expression on his face.

Shoot out in the forest was good too.
Replying to Kimsamsoom Dec 22, 2021
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I don't know.Have you seen the recent ads luxury brands ran in China? It was so offensive, that nobody knew how…
LOL.
Replying to Kimsamsoom Dec 22, 2021
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I don't know.Have you seen the recent ads luxury brands ran in China? It was so offensive, that nobody knew how…
I don't find the comparisons analogous to what's going on here.

That said, Koreans have already made a whole host of dramas referring to various Japanese invasions, the Japanese occupation during WW2 and the Korean war. They have even made dramas set in the tumultuous 80s. That's not what the problem is. From what I've heard is that critics are afraid that the showrunners have diminished the atrocities committed by the military regime or glorified the the underhanded doings of the NIS who used the excuse of "communist" or "North Korean" spies to torture pro-democracy student activists. There's even reference to this in the recent Chimera drama that's just finished airing. Yes, the police and authorities did commit injustices in the name of eliminating communism.

None of that is yet known because we haven't got the full story. We aren't going to get the full story if the show gets cancelled midstream.

I don't presume to know how SK feel about anything. Or whether this outrage is a proportional reflection of the entire population. But I object to jumping to conclusions based on hearsay, rumours and fragments.
Replying to DramaAjumma Dec 22, 2021
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That's what I think too. And considering that there are so many veterans in the drama who lived through that period.…
The fact is... none of us know what the rest of the story looks like. No one can say for certain that a distortion of history has been perpetrated. Unless someone has actually seen the entire show and has done a proper review of it, it's all purely speculation and the outrage premature.
Replying to sinine Dec 22, 2021
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It doesn't make sense why the production would make a drama with so much controversy. It only makes me want to…
That's what I think too. And considering that there are so many veterans in the drama who lived through that period. I have a hard time believing that JTBC would shoot itself in the foot like this.
Replying to OneAjhussi Dec 21, 2021
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I bet they showed the whole show to the Blue House and there is nothing too controversial.
I doubt there's anything hugely controversial either. Nothing I've seen so far looks like it's revisionist.
Replying to Kimsamsoom Dec 21, 2021
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I don't know.Have you seen the recent ads luxury brands ran in China? It was so offensive, that nobody knew how…
No, I haven't heard about that particular incident.
As someone who has been following SK dramas for over a decade, I can say that the industry is very sensitive to public opinion and scandals. Extremely so. And the actors would be very careful about this as well especially the older ones who probably lived through the period mentioned. At the very least they would thinking through this before damaging their own careers with a scandal.

Have you watched the show?

Regardless of where one sits on this issue, the better approach would have been to inform the international viewership about the actual history without going into a frenzy and then do a blow by blow comparison with the show's presentation.

No one thinks that The Crown is an accurate depiction of history of the royal family I would have thought. What about the Da Vinci Code? That wasn't an accurate account of history or of Christianity by any stretch of the imagination.
On Snowdrop Dec 21, 2021
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It always seemed to me that the common sense approach to the whole thing was to watch the whole thing before coming to any substantial conclusions about the product. If JTBC aren't capitulating despite all the social media outrage, they must be fairly confident of their product. From what I've seen of it so far, it looks like a quality production. I would imagine neither JTBC nor the cast would be so silly to involve themselves in a project that would offend large swathes of the population and do damage to the brand.

What the detractors did (it seems to me) was to give the drama free publicity. (These campaigns almost always do) The SK public can always boycott the show if it goes against their sensibilities. I am always nervous about talk of censorship. Especially in the current political climate.
On Chimera Dec 20, 2021
Title Chimera
I loved the poignant bittersweet ending which is a good reflection of the theme of the older generation completely screwing up the younger generation. Of course everyone's responsible in some form for making the decisions that they did but the older generation set things in motion -- whether by taking things into their own hands or by concealing the truth.

It's a tragic story and thankfully the show did the adult thing by taking things to their logical consequences. These people could have been friends but for the crimes committed by the past.

The show didn't go for a Disney ending. For that I am grateful.
Replying to Kyle Dec 19, 2021
Title Chimera
Absolutely agree with this sentiment. Though there are a few dramas that have been solid enough in the last two…
Times was not bad but I had hard time with the male lead (actor's fine) and his choices. He wasn't the most likeable.
On Snowdrop Dec 19, 2021
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Jang Seung-jo! No wonder the voice sounded familiar. Almost didn't recognize him. Really happy to see him in this.

First episode is not a bad start. After DP, it's good to be able to watch something else that Jung Hae-in is starring in.

The calibre of actors in this production is surprisingly high for something apparently embroiled in controversy.
Replying to DramaAjumma Dec 19, 2021
The only person he's in love with is himself.He's a cunning avaricious ambitious politician. He's planning to…
Whatever affection he might have for Yi San, it's coloured/tainted by his own connivances. From my perspective, I think he likes to believe that he is indispensable and it's important for Yi San to be entirely dependent on him for counsel etc. To me Deok-ro needs to believe/feel that he is the most important person to Yi San. It's a gap and an insecurity that he has that drives his overweening ambition. He needs to be sure that Yi San will never let go off him or replace him with someone else.
On Chimera Dec 19, 2021
Title Chimera
It's really rare ... not unlike the Greek chimera.... that we've gotten something this consistently tight from OCN for a while. I would say that it's my favourite OCN drama in at least 2 years.
It's a great morality tale that doesn't infantilize the messaging. Plus the performances across the board have been very good.

To me it should be up there with Beyond Evil.
Replying to InaBalerina Dec 18, 2021
Is it just me or is Master Hong a bit in love with the crown prince? There is a fine line between adoration and…
The only person he's in love with is himself.
He's a cunning avaricious ambitious politician. He's planning to bring his sister into the place to consolidate his position.

Love is not even in his vocabulary.