Dwrecked05

I just listed shows that match your parameters, thats all. Its irrelevant whether you actually watched the specific shows I listed, just shows that have similar plots (like you yourself explained you had watched).

And you are also making assumptions based on your own theories, like assuming she has done anything to harm the daughter in the slightest or caused any form of extreme psychological damage to her. What we do know is that this is a girl from a dysfunctional family who witnessed her mother dying in a car accident, potentially causing it (who knows at this time), with an alcoholic father who she might think tried to kill himself out of grief, and a grandmother who thinks she isn't even her fathers child who is pushing her dad to remarry to have another child that is "actually his." Again making an assumption, but I doubt even if she found out that the FL was only being nice to her to con her father, that it would rank high on the psychological damage priority list.

And intentions only matter, morally and legally, if detrimental actions are taken to make those intentions a reality. For example: if the guy in the motorcycle helmet WAS chasing her in order to create a situation where the FL could intercede, that would be something the FL did that harmed the daughter. That wasn't the case though. At this point in the show, the only person that has been actually harmed by the FL is the mother, who she drugged.

But its fine, we can agree to disagree. Like you said, you draw the line at harming a child, and although i fully disagree that a child has been harmed through the FL's actions to this point, we can disagree on the matter.

I just listed shows that match your parameters, thats all. Its irrelevant whether you actually watched the specific shows I listed, just shows that have similar plots (like you yourself explained you had watched).

And you are also making assumptions based on your own theories, like assuming she has done anything to harm the daughter in the slightest or caused any form of extreme psychological damage to her. What we do know is that this is a girl from a dysfunctional family who witnessed her mother dying in a car accident, potentially causing it (who knows at this time), with an alcoholic father who she might think tried to kill himself out of grief, and a grandmother who thinks she isn't even her fathers child who is pushing her dad to remarry to have another child that is "actually his." Again making an assumption, but I doubt even if she found out that the FL was only being nice to her to con her father, that it would rank high on the psychological damage priority list.

And intentions only matter, morally and legally, if detrimental actions are taken to make those intentions a reality. For example: if the guy in the motorcycle helmet WAS chasing her in order to create a situation where the FL could intercede, that would be something the FL did that harmed the daughter. That wasn't the case though. At this point in the show, the only person that has been actually harmed by the FL is the mother, who she drugged.

But its fine, we can agree to disagree. Like you said, you draw the line at harming a child, and although i fully disagree that a child has been harmed through the FL's actions to this point, we can disagree on the matter.

And help her with her pad/tampon, and give her her sweater to wrap around her waste to cover any blood, and tell her "congratulations" afterwards so she knows its not something to be ashamed of, and get the ML to realize that he needs to be a better, more involved parent for her.

And clearly you have only watched the Robinhood type conartist shows like Taxi Driver or Cafe Minamdang, which is fine. But there are plenty of examples out there of shows/movies where the main character is just greedy and out for themselves at first and then change.

And as far as determining if someone is evil, I agree that it is based on opinion, I just think it is too early to determine that with his character. But that is my opinion and I understand that not everyone feels the same way. Now if we saw her straight up hurt the daughter, that would be a different story that no writer could come back from. But again, intentions and actions are two different things. And although its a guess, i am willing to bet that she will protect that child rather than let that child be actually hurt by someone, even this early in the story.

and I don't know what to make of the guy. I was surprised to learn that he wasn't in fact chasing the daughter lol.

I also wasn't sure about Grace, she seemed pretty horrible. But after fatsuit sister fell to the ground crying and stuff she seemed to feel legitimately guilty.

The reason I mention this being a common trope and it being silly to dislike her for that is because I am willing to bet most people that dislike her for this never take issue with ML's that start out this way.

But intentions and actions are two different things. Can't just say "evil" because of what she is telling her family her intentions are. And her actions have gone above and beyond just getting the daughter to like her, or the father. But like you said, no way to know what her intentions are at this point and she may turn out to be "evil."

Like these shows always have, there will be a moment when she needs to make the choice about whether she is really just conning these people or she truly cares about them.

In all fairness I am basing my thoughts on theories I have with no proof to back them up.

Classic Jennifer Love Hewitt and Sigourney Weaver.

I had that question as well, and its not the only time that he did that I am guessing. He made it seem like something he always does, going to "save people." Makes me wonder how his powers might have changed or progress since we only ever saw them when he was a kid and didn't know how it all worked.

I have a feeling her "family" isn't blood related. I am thinking the "mother" collected the three "kids" when they were vulnerable and alone and manipulated them into becoming this crew. And exactly on the "wait a little," we are 2 episodes into a supernatural show with time travel. We don't know what the heck could actually be going on at this point.

Love in the Moonlight flashbacks lol.

Not to mention we are 2 episodes in to a supernatural show involving time travel, we don't have nearly enough information to know what is actually going on with/motivating anyone.

Mind reading is a great guess, I also like the mind control idea from @JoJoOnDatBeat. Her eyes definitely glowed in the car right before the accident and her mother seemed to see it in the rearview mirror. Maybe she accidentally took control of her mom at that moment causing the accident? Something was definitely up with the mom after ML blinked away, she looked sad and distant.

It is a very common trope in television/movies to have one lead start the story out conning the other and then the two fall for each other. Also, despite any perceived intentions to "hurt" a child; in reality all this woman has done is bond with the girl, eat seaweed soup with her for her birthday, give her dad good advice on birthday presents for her, help her after her first period, and try and convince her dad that he needs to be more present in her life. To this point the only morally reprehensible thing we have seen the FL do is slip sleeping pills into the mothers tea. Not to mention, we are 2 episodes into a supernatural television show that includes time travel in the plot. There is absolutely zero way to know what the FL's true intentions are at this point. For all we know she could be playing along with her con artist family (I think none of them are actually blood related and that the "mother" actually took advantage of a bunch of kids that had nothing and no one and turned them into these con artists. Purely speculation of course.) but in reality is doing things for some other reason. We just don't know enough about the world or any of the people in the story.

lol and why are people acting like this is the first tv show they have seen where one of the main characters starts the show conning the other before falling for each other? Pretty common trope.

So I am thinking during whatever fire that has left her traumatized the male lead was the one who saved her. I know she says she was saved in the past by someone that reminds her of him, and I know we are supposed to believe that is just a line she uses during a con. But I think he did save her while he was a fire fighter. Its also possible that he hasn't gone back to the past to save her yet in his timeline, but it has happened for her like with the hand holding. We also don't know why FL was at the beach that day. She told the mom she likes going to the beach to suck in the good energy, but that definitely was probably part of the scam. Maybe ML tells her to be there? I mean we really don't even know why the family were all there at the beginning either, kind of a strange place to gather for a family heart-to-heart.

I feel like the other masseuses said she was afraid of becoming addicted to medication, so she didn't want to use any.

I feel like the other masseuses said she was afraid of becoming addicted to medication, so she didn't want to use any.

I am thinking that yeah, she told him he did it so he believed he could maybe? Maybe its a confidence thing? I am interested in seeing how his powers may have progressed from when we saw him as a child trying to use them to when he was an adult, prior to losing them. We know he would often use his powers to help people, I wonder how he did that being unable to interact with anything in the past.

I am thinking that yeah, she told him he did it so he believed he could maybe? Maybe its a confidence thing? I am interested in seeing how his powers may have progressed from when we saw him as a child trying to use them to when he was an adult, prior to losing them. We know he would often use his powers to help people, I wonder how he did that being unable to interact with anything in the past.

Time paradoxes. I hope this show actually explains them unlike other shows/movies I have watched *cough* Dark *cough* Terminator *cough* that just make you accept them.