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At least the role she's been casted to play as is a very interesting one as an actor! The equivalent role of Sua in My ID is Gangnam Beauty was brilliantly acted and I'm sure Fah will do it justice

You know that something is good when it breaks the hearts of the viewers to the extent that people have such visceral reactions and say they hate a show just because they wanted to see the protagonists happy. Although every episode so far is emotionally torturous, it makes so much sense to me considering the characterisation of both Jiwoo and Seo Joon that I can't help but continue to watch.

Basically this line is from Act 3 Scene 3 and is said by the character Mariana to Diana. The pun comes from the fact that in Shakespearian times 'honesty' could be the literal meaning we still use today or it could refer to an unmarried woman's status as a virgin (yuck), with legacy meaning both honour (which is a term explicitly used in the previous line) and an amount of money used for a legal contract which is in this case referring to marriage. Therefore the pun has an ambiguous but sexual meaning, in relation to how Diana deceives the character Bertram later on. Bertram attempts to seduce her but Diana takes part in a lie that deceives him into sleeping with another woman, who is actually his own wife and the protagonist of the play Helena, rather than herself although she does in name agree to sexual relations with him. Even though Diana will later agree to an elaborate lie and a deception, she does it in order to gain a large amount of money for her dowry from Helena. Diana is willing to barter her own word for money in order to marry well. The whole phrase, taken in its literal meaning which is how Mariana means it but not how the audience perceives it is that the worth of a young unmarried woman is in her status as a virgin; and that nothing else is as important as keeping this status until marriage. This is particularly funny now because, at least in name. So Shakespeare creates double meanings through the phrase, but I think the literal meaning is what the KinnPorsche writers are using. Hope that helps :)

So I put this comment in a reply to someone else further down the comment section, but I thought it would be fun to share my thoughts on Vegas' reaction to Pete's tattoo of the quote 'No legacy is so rich as honesty' in the more recent comment section to see what other people think. This is actually a Shakespeare quote from All's Well That Ends Well but it has a more pun based meaning in the play which I don't think applies to KinnPorsche, but if anyone thinks it does I'd love to hear your ideas as a Shakespeare lover. It will be quite spoilery for up to episode 11 for anyone at any point who hasn't watched it yet, but I don't want to use the spoiler tag because I know it puts some people off. Hope you enjoy it! :)

It's clear that the life Vegas has lived is mostly one of deceit around everyone outside in the major family and somewhat within the minor family because of his father's will and control over him. In order to survive in the cutthroat mafia world his persona is generally a menacing one to instil fear so that those working under him and those who may oppose him believe he will pose too large a threat. Whilst he is in many ways truly cruel and revels in it (because of the environment he grew up in), we see that he clearly has vulnerabilities that must be exhausting to have to hide constantly. On top of this in order to gain his father's approval (his true motivation behind most of his actions) he has manipulated Tawan and Porsche into believing that in truth he is not cruel, but instead loving, on their side, loyal to the main family in Porsche's case etcetera. The only person we have seen him showing his vulnerability to until Pete is his father, and even then he is trying so hard to gain his approval that he still wants to try and maintain a facade of invulnerable strength in front of him.

So when he scoffs in anger at this quote, even calling it 'bullshit' and stating that 'Only the fool thinks that honesty is real', this is because all he has ever known and been taught is cruelty and trickery (aside from his relationship with Macau who we've seen little of). Therefore the idea that someone is able to build a 'legacy', something handed down to a descendant from their predecessor/ancestor, from honesty and that this is the best kind of legacy is laughable to him. This is because his father's legacy that he has handed down to him has essentially been to manipulate and scheme his way to power over the main family through cruelty. Honesty is not something he has been taught to have, nor as something useful. Without honesty from the people in his life he doesn't even believe anyone can be honest with someone, it is an impossibility to him. However, his deceit and scheming at this point has come to nothing and instead has fallen apart, leading to his father's disapproval, flaring up his inferiority complex passed onto him by his father therefore making him want to taunt Pete more in his feelings of inadequacy and anger at himself. This anger is heightened by the fact that Pete is the one that has this tattoo, yet he has been dishonest whilst spying on Vegas for the main family who are therefore by extension also being dishonest towards him.

The writers are also creating dramatic irony here, because despite Vegas' dismissal of the quote it is Pete himself who is the first person to see Vegas' vulnerability and true self but respond with empathy and truth despite his position. This is particularly poignant when we find out about Pete's childhood and relationship with his father later in the episode. The quote demonstrates how Pete's father's dishonesty within himself about why he forced Pete to box and beat him when he didn't win and consequently even when he did win (which is because of him similarly having an inferiority complex as he felt inadequate for never winning at boxing in his life so abusively took it out on his son) is something Pete refuses to take as his legacy - instead he chooses internal honesty. Even though he can't always be externally honest due to his role as a bodyguard/spy he still stays true to himself as much as he can through his unwavering loyalty and refusal to give in to Vegas' cruelty etc. Interestingly this also sets them up as foils because of the similarity in the relationships with their fathers and how they have responded to this differently.

The quote being a tattoo on the body, an intimate, vulnerable place, represents how it is Pete's empathy, admirable honesty and vulnerability in sharing the truth about himself that will allow Vegas to accept the truth about his own father, about how he is not an entirely irredeemable person etc. which has already begun to have an effect on Vegas in this episode. The vulnerability and intimacy they will create between them will hopefully lead to Vegas' redemption into becoming a more honest moral person, which the writers can be seen as foreshadowing through this scene and quote.

I really like how they used this quote and I hope they use it again later in the series! Also sorry if I've gone overboard, my english lit student self really jumped out here hehehe

Great analysis, this is basically how I interpreted it as well! I'd like to contribute to the point about the seductive angel (love this phrase, make me chuckle) facade Vegas created when interacting with Tawan and Porsche by talking about Vegas' reaction to Pete's tattoo of the quote 'No legacy is so rich as honesty' (this is actually a Shakespeare quote from All's Well That Ends Well but it has a more pun based meaning in the play which I don't think applies to KinnPorsche, but if anyone thinks it does I'd love to hear your ideas as a Shakespeare lover).

It's clear that the life Vegas has lived is mostly one of deceit around everyone outside in the major family and somewhat within the minor family because of his father's will and control over him. In order to survive in the cutthroat mafia world his persona is generally a menacing one to instil fear so that those working under him and those who may oppose him believe he will pose too large a threat. Whilst he is in many ways truly cruel and revels in it (because of the environment he grew up in), we see that he clearly has vulnerabilities that must be exhausting to have to hide constantly. On top of this in order to gain his father's approval (his true motivation behind most of his actions) he has manipulated Tawan and Porsche into believing that in truth he is not cruel, but instead loving, on their side, loyal to the main family in Porsche's case etcetera. The only person we have seen him showing his vulnerability to until Pete is his father, and even then he is trying so hard to gain his approval that he still wants to try and maintain a facade of invulnerable strength in front of him.

So when he scoffs in anger at this quote, even calling it 'bullshit' and stating that 'Only the fool thinks that honesty is real', this is because all he has ever known and been taught is cruelty and trickery (aside from his relationship with Macau who we've seen little of). Therefore the idea that someone is able to build a 'legacy', something handed down to a descendant from their predecessor/ancestor, from honesty and that this is the best kind of legacy is laughable to him. This is because his father's legacy that he has handed down to him has essentially been to manipulate and scheme his way to power over the main family through cruelty. Honesty is not something he has been taught to have, nor as something useful. Without honesty from the people in his life he doesn't even believe anyone can be honest with someone, it is an impossibility to him. However, his deceit and scheming at this point has come to nothing and instead has fallen apart, leading to his father's disapproval, flaring up his inferiority complex passed onto him by his father therefore making him want to taunt Pete more in his feelings of inadequacy and anger at himself. This anger is heightened by the fact that Pete is the one that has this tattoo, yet he has been dishonest whilst spying on Vegas for the main family who are therefore by extension also being dishonest towards him.

The writers are also creating dramatic irony here, because despite Vegas' dismissal of the quote it is Pete himself who is the first person to see Vegas' vulnerability and true self but respond with empathy and truth despite his position. This is particularly poignant when we find out about Pete's childhood and relationship with his father later in the episode. The quote demonstrates how Pete's father's dishonesty within himself about why he forced Pete to box and beat him when he didn't win and consequently even when he did win (which is because of him similarly having an inferiority complex as he felt inadequate for never winning at boxing in his life so abusively took it out on his son) is something Pete refuses to take as his legacy - instead he chooses internal honesty. Even though he can't always be externally honest due to his role as a bodyguard/spy he still stays true to himself as much as he can through his unwavering loyalty and refusal to give in to Vegas' cruelty etc. Interestingly this also sets them up as foils because of the similarity in the relationships with their fathers and how they have responded to this differently.

The quote being a tattoo on the body, an intimate, vulnerable place, represents how it is Pete's empathy, admirable honesty and vulnerability in sharing the truth about himself that will allow Vegas to accept the truth about his own father, about how he is not an entirely irredeemable person etc. which has already begun to have an effect on Vegas in this episode. The vulnerability and intimacy they will create between them will hopefully lead to Vegas' redemption into becoming a more honest moral person, which the writers can be seen as foreshadowing through this scene and quote.

I really like how they used this quote and I hope they use it again later in the series! Also sorry if I've gone overboard, my english lit student self really jumped out here hehehe

As someone who's basically watched no Thai lakorns (although I have watched quite a few bls now) I would recommend F4 Thailand, Bad Buddy (bl), and 2gether (bl - not my fave but definitely popular for a reason).

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I'd say still watch it for the OST and queer side couple, and skip the main couple if you don't want frustration lol. Or just never watch the last episode

In short the ending was not necessarily sad (but damaging) for the characters, but frustrating for viewers.

It's not a sad ending per say, but the issue is that the relationship between the leads is generally problematic and emotionally damages the female lead. Because in the ending the leads end up together it completely wastes the whole point of the drama's realistic depiction of a toxic relationship and how that can affect you. What especially angered me was that it basically sends the message that toxic partners can change easily and quickly because of real love which is just not true. In reality someone with the male lead's manipulative approach to relationships who decides to change will take years for to unlearn those behaviours, not weeks like the last episode suggests. This drama would have been much better if the female lead either ended up with the second male lead like in the webtoon (still not the best ending either because as the webtoon demonstrates, they don't work well as a couple because he puts her on pedestal and she hasn't healed from her previous toxic relationships), but amazing if she just chose herself and both the fl and ml changed and grew.

If you replaced the last 7 minutes with a different ending this could have been perfect. why, oh why, universe would you give us a drama with an amazing OST, aesthetics, symbolism, acting, cinematography, mostly realistic depiction, and BEAUTIFUL WLW only to make the ending terrible. This has angered me so much I haven't been able to stop thinking about the wasted potential for 2 weeks now.

I prefer Squid Game for 2 reasons: Firstly, in AIB the male gaze was strong and highly problematic, with the female characters being sexualised for no reason, a sexual assault scene filmed in a titillating rather than disgusting way, and female characters (apart from Kuina) being stereotypes in Japanese media with little backstory in comparison to the male characters. Secondly, SQ criticises capitalism and meritocracy, giving it another layer for analysis, whereas it is still unclear how and why the games in AIB have been created with no real extra context. I may have thought AIB was brilliant, but I know I will feel disgusted if I watch the full show again and experience that level of male gaze whereas SQ makes my brain want to watch it several times so I can analyse it to death