Fwiw there is more than one lesbian romance in the original manwha, and one of them is still right there - we see it amusingly referenced by the MC. The show is also only on its first episodes, so who knows what may yet come. The character that was cut is from the latter half of the comic IIRC (been a while since I read) and we only have 12 episodes runtime; the situation reminds me how one of the biggest (IMO) queer characters was originally supposedly cut, only for us to find out later that they actually got merged into another main character.
While the comic did have lesbian romance for the MC, especially later on, it opens extremely strongly on themes of gender and queerness in incredibly touching ways which we are already seeing. One of the most important scenes in the entire comic was faithfully and touchingly done. So I'd just like to, let's say, kindly encourage people to be open to at least experiencing the show.
That all being said, I do also understand the disappointment; I just think people are being very quick to dismiss (and, not relevent to you, make some wild ass claims/accusations as can be found in this comment section) the entirety of this project, a queer female-led story hitting the mainstream, when we ultimately don't know the script yet. Queerness, much like life, is about so much more than only romance. And Tae Ri isn't only acting in this, her own company is deeply embedded in the production - mistrust of the industry is understandable, but I'd say that even to the not that knowledgeable bystander, Tae Ri's gained at least the benefit of the doubt.
i get your point, but considering what's going on with 'love in the big city' i'm 100% sure they won't (showing…
Genuinely mean no offense, but I'm going to assume you're a teenager or younger and leave this convo - you might be coming from a good place but you're extremely off track. What the hell is "homophobic consumption" even. What in the world do you mean by "appropriating" a story with gay themes. "Exploitation"??? You're using a lot of big words that you just don't seem to fully comprehend yet... If you're leveling these types of accusations to *KTR's own* Management MMM of all things, on this project of all things, I don't even know what to say. Just... good luck, and I think you'll come to a more nuanced perspective as you learn more.
Her mother is probably the young girl we see at the very start who trained with the director. That's my guess.
I think you might've confused it a bit - you're pretty much right except that what you're speaking about happens to Jeongnyeon's mother, not her. That's why So Bok asks Jeongnyeon what her (JY's) mother's name is, and is confused/doubtful when JY says something different than what she'd expected (evidently JY's mother changed her name at some point after leaving the troupe).
Jeongnyeon can't simultaneously have trained with young So Bok and now be trained by older So Bok, and she can't have simultaneously been popular during Yeong Seo's mother youth and now be a trainee the same age as Yeong Seo (well, she could if it was a timetraveling story or something, but it's not :P).
i get your point, but considering what's going on with 'love in the big city' i'm 100% sure they won't (showing…
You're making a moral argument; I'm not speaking to that, I'm speaking to practicality. They're *already* moving the line with this project - if you're ignoring all of the queerness already there just because they had to adjust the script to fit to form, get it purchased, produced, and aired on a major network, I don't think that's a problem with the project.
You're clamoring for something the project is already doing - it's just not doing it to the extent you want it to (edit: supposedly - since only two episodes have aired so far, and the director and others have already spoken to it that goes directly contrary to what you and others are saying without proper contextualization), but as you say yourself, this is a gradual shift.
It's rare for me to seriously sing the praises of an actor so much, but dude... Every time I strap in for a new KTR project, I think I know what I can expect from her - and still she surprises me every damn time with her talent and growth as an actress. It's kind of nuts. With other actors you'd think Jeongnyeon as a character would be dangerously close to 2521's Hee Do territory, but there is 0 Hee Do to be found here. The way KTR's become so adept at embodying her characters over the past few years is such an incredible surprise to get to enjoy, I can't help thinking that her going from film to TV could not have been a better choice for her as an actress. From body language to speech pattern to voice tone to emoting, it's incredible to see and makes it worth it every time to watch what she'll do next.
That being said, by contrast, a bunch of the other acting so far has fallen flat for me, from a little to a lot. I think it's partly because they're being contrasted against this megatron 2024 KTR and the amazing Ra Mi Ran, but it's made me cringe somewhat in a few scenes. Jung Eun Chae has been pretty disappointing to me in particular thus far, there's something missing there most of the time that I can't quite pin down - a mix of lacking charisma to plain convincingness (sic), but hopefully it'll improve as the show goes on and the character develops/settles.
Shin Ye Eun is the best of the younger bunch against KTR, particularly really enjoyed her demonstrating Bongja, and I was pretty pleasantly surprised in Oh Kyung Hwa as Jeongyeon's older sister too! Otherwise... well. Not hoping for too much based on what we've seen so far - for the lighter moments it all works quite well, and for the rest, the sheer amount of weight KTR can carry on her own means I'm not that fussed.
Not much to comment on the script writing so far, though some Here Be Exposure In Dialogue somewhat expected of eps 1-2 made me legit laugh by how *intensely exposure* they were (scene with opera mom in particular is a great example lol). Directing's aight.
Last note - Choi Jung Woon was an absurdly phenomenal casting for a younger Ra Mi Ran, I always LOVE it when they pull off these age-diff castings sooo well in likeness!
i get your point, but considering what's going on with 'love in the big city' i'm 100% sure they won't (showing…
That's not how television production in a capitalist society works. By all means, if you have the funds and power, go for it. Otherwise, that's a superficial idealistic perspective lacking in context.
Sorry, but that's just not true? There's literally an entire arc of Yijin pulling away completely all of a sudden without saying anything to anyone, and Heedo herself references this later (she says, paraphrasing, that she thinks that back then she could get through it because they were friends, but as lovers she can't have that).
Not just that: most everything Heedo finds out about Yijin's struggles she doesn't find out FROM him, as in him sharing those things with her - she finds out in some other way.
It's literally one of the very first things we learn about Yijin: he pulls away from those he cares about when he's going through a hard time if he feels it's for the better (e.g. to protect them if he feels it will). Yurim's hurt towards him is entirely because of communication issues right off the bat.
And Heedo has always been someone who feels strongly, is impulsive (very first episode, discussion about the peeing boy, baseball hooligan episodes are two very literal examples for which Yijin was there), and whose major trauma from the start is being frozen out emotionally (again one of the first things we find out about her - her mother).
So no, Heedo and Yijin didn't suddenly develop communication issues after getting into a relationship. They (especially Heedo) realized that the ways they need their emotional needs met during really hard times in a romantic relationship were not working. Which is perfectly realistic, because that's exactly how relationships go even if you were friends before. You can't know how you will go through really hard times as a couple until, well... you go through hard times as a couple.
I'm willing to hear what exactly the writer suddenly changed about either of them because from my perspective it made perfect sense for who these characters were established as from the beginning and throughout the whole show. Not to say neither of them matured or improved, but that their core characteristics (who they were as people) remained strong all the way.
You keep putting words in my mouth, but sure. We never saw her with her husband, but sure.
You can interpret the text however you want; I'm pointing out that relationships take more than love to maintain and that that's why Hee Do and Yi Jin broke up; and why Hee Do doesn't regret the break-up itself, only how it happened. That's all.
I didn't say a relationship doesn't need love, though? I said that it needs *more than* love in order to work. That's the most basic thing anyone will ever say about relationships, because it's true.
That's why her and Yi Jin didn't work out despite loving each other. They could not get over the hurdles of understanding and communication, and their emotional needs weren't being met anymore. They realized their differences were too big.
I also disagree entirely with the reading that current day Hee Do is unhappy, idk where you got that from as the text says otherwise.
I've rewatched this gem in its entirety twice since it aired already, and I will definitely end up watching it again. It's been a great one to revisit with an already informed perspective, and IMO it is also a great show to talk about the youth, maturity, and growth themes with other people about.
I'd def recommend watching it together with someone else if they're interested because the contrasts of opinion that are bound to come up are cool to see and discuss.
If anyone is considering starting it fresh: I'd recommend truly ignoring the media illiterate and emotionally immature comments/reviews about this one (i.e. "the end makes no sense").
If you like slice of life, coming of age, and specifically character-oriented shows: it's worth checking out.
If you're thinking of watching this specifically for romance, and especially if you necessitate canon to deliver your ship exactly the way you want it to otherwise it's shit, then this is quite likely not a show for you. The romances in that sense are not the goal nor the focus. If you want a show focused on its male characters, this is also not for you (this is very much Hee Do's story).
I think I'd say that three episodes is the "minimum" to watch to know if the show clicks for you? If it doesn't click by then, then you're probs safe to give it up if you don't want to risk spending more time with it.
its the opposite the detective afopts woosung, and the couple keeps visiting as they lost their right for afoption…
That makes sense! I think the subs I watched and my shoddy Korean didn't make it clear, I thought at most they were dating... but now that you say it like this, it totally makes sense! And makes the phonecall scene (which i absolutely LOVED) even deeper than I had thought. Thanks a lot!
Why did he even kill him😣. And what he said to that gangster was true about not working with dong soo?
1) Why: because as he tells Dong Soo, "you will understand when you are a parent". He is doing the "same" thing Soyoung (his "wife") is doing for the kid - in that moment this family is truly his real family. I think the exact why beyond that is v much up to each person's interpretation but I think he knew the kid would never be safe otherwise. I think he knew that the father's wife had no intention of raising him herself. 2) What he says: no, he was lying about not wanting to work with Dong Soo to get the shark's guard down as he tries to keep him from going after Dong Soo and the kids.
While the comic did have lesbian romance for the MC, especially later on, it opens extremely strongly on themes of gender and queerness in incredibly touching ways which we are already seeing. One of the most important scenes in the entire comic was faithfully and touchingly done. So I'd just like to, let's say, kindly encourage people to be open to at least experiencing the show.
That all being said, I do also understand the disappointment; I just think people are being very quick to dismiss (and, not relevent to you, make some wild ass claims/accusations as can be found in this comment section) the entirety of this project, a queer female-led story hitting the mainstream, when we ultimately don't know the script yet. Queerness, much like life, is about so much more than only romance. And Tae Ri isn't only acting in this, her own company is deeply embedded in the production - mistrust of the industry is understandable, but I'd say that even to the not that knowledgeable bystander, Tae Ri's gained at least the benefit of the doubt.
Jeongnyeon can't simultaneously have trained with young So Bok and now be trained by older So Bok, and she can't have simultaneously been popular during Yeong Seo's mother youth and now be a trainee the same age as Yeong Seo (well, she could if it was a timetraveling story or something, but it's not :P).
You're clamoring for something the project is already doing - it's just not doing it to the extent you want it to (edit: supposedly - since only two episodes have aired so far, and the director and others have already spoken to it that goes directly contrary to what you and others are saying without proper contextualization), but as you say yourself, this is a gradual shift.
That being said, by contrast, a bunch of the other acting so far has fallen flat for me, from a little to a lot. I think it's partly because they're being contrasted against this megatron 2024 KTR and the amazing Ra Mi Ran, but it's made me cringe somewhat in a few scenes. Jung Eun Chae has been pretty disappointing to me in particular thus far, there's something missing there most of the time that I can't quite pin down - a mix of lacking charisma to plain convincingness (sic), but hopefully it'll improve as the show goes on and the character develops/settles.
Shin Ye Eun is the best of the younger bunch against KTR, particularly really enjoyed her demonstrating Bongja, and I was pretty pleasantly surprised in Oh Kyung Hwa as Jeongyeon's older sister too! Otherwise... well. Not hoping for too much based on what we've seen so far - for the lighter moments it all works quite well, and for the rest, the sheer amount of weight KTR can carry on her own means I'm not that fussed.
Not much to comment on the script writing so far, though some Here Be Exposure In Dialogue somewhat expected of eps 1-2 made me legit laugh by how *intensely exposure* they were (scene with opera mom in particular is a great example lol). Directing's aight.
Last note - Choi Jung Woon was an absurdly phenomenal casting for a younger Ra Mi Ran, I always LOVE it when they pull off these age-diff castings sooo well in likeness!
Not just that: most everything Heedo finds out about Yijin's struggles she doesn't find out FROM him, as in him sharing those things with her - she finds out in some other way.
It's literally one of the very first things we learn about Yijin: he pulls away from those he cares about when he's going through a hard time if he feels it's for the better (e.g. to protect them if he feels it will). Yurim's hurt towards him is entirely because of communication issues right off the bat.
And Heedo has always been someone who feels strongly, is impulsive (very first episode, discussion about the peeing boy, baseball hooligan episodes are two very literal examples for which Yijin was there), and whose major trauma from the start is being frozen out emotionally (again one of the first things we find out about her - her mother).
So no, Heedo and Yijin didn't suddenly develop communication issues after getting into a relationship. They (especially Heedo) realized that the ways they need their emotional needs met during really hard times in a romantic relationship were not working. Which is perfectly realistic, because that's exactly how relationships go even if you were friends before. You can't know how you will go through really hard times as a couple until, well... you go through hard times as a couple.
I'm willing to hear what exactly the writer suddenly changed about either of them because from my perspective it made perfect sense for who these characters were established as from the beginning and throughout the whole show. Not to say neither of them matured or improved, but that their core characteristics (who they were as people) remained strong all the way.
We never saw her with her husband, but sure.
You can interpret the text however you want; I'm pointing out that relationships take more than love to maintain and that that's why Hee Do and Yi Jin broke up; and why Hee Do doesn't regret the break-up itself, only how it happened. That's all.
That's why her and Yi Jin didn't work out despite loving each other. They could not get over the hurdles of understanding and communication, and their emotional needs weren't being met anymore. They realized their differences were too big.
I also disagree entirely with the reading that current day Hee Do is unhappy, idk where you got that from as the text says otherwise.
I'd def recommend watching it together with someone else if they're interested because the contrasts of opinion that are bound to come up are cool to see and discuss.
If anyone is considering starting it fresh: I'd recommend truly ignoring the media illiterate and emotionally immature comments/reviews about this one (i.e. "the end makes no sense").
If you like slice of life, coming of age, and specifically character-oriented shows: it's worth checking out.
If you're thinking of watching this specifically for romance, and especially if you necessitate canon to deliver your ship exactly the way you want it to otherwise it's shit, then this is quite likely not a show for you. The romances in that sense are not the goal nor the focus. If you want a show focused on its male characters, this is also not for you (this is very much Hee Do's story).
I think I'd say that three episodes is the "minimum" to watch to know if the show clicks for you? If it doesn't click by then, then you're probs safe to give it up if you don't want to risk spending more time with it.
Spoiler:
If you classify happy ending as "does the main character end up with her teenage boyfriend for life", then no, it's not a happy ending. :P
Truly:
https://archiveofourown.org/tags/%EC%8A%A4%EB%AC%BC%EB%8B%A4%EC%84%AF%20%EC%8A%A4%EB%AC%BC%ED%95%98%EB%82%98%20%7C%20Twenty%20Five%20Twenty%20One%20(TV)/works
Plenty of goodness for Heerim and/or Baekdo shippers, and some for others as well.
2) What he says: no, he was lying about not wanting to work with Dong Soo to get the shark's guard down as he tries to keep him from going after Dong Soo and the kids.