The tragedy is the destruction of the female lead as the story progresses. I wouldn’t recommend this show if…
Ha! We meet again lol. Scent of Time really did a number on me I keep wanting to see what's next.
Are you telling me after putting our lovely lady through the s***, they're going to continue to march her up to the cannon's mouth? She's so cheery and everything. I wish she was more of the brooding sort. I can't take this s***, lol. But I can't stop either, dammit. I'm at episode 20+ or something where she inevitably fell in love with this scumbag yet again but I can tell that this sand castle is going to be torn down soon.
Can you spoil me at least whether this pos will get what SHOULD be coming to him? He decapitated the poor girl's grandpa and stood front and center as her people were all massacred. I just want what is fair.
My friend recommended this and said it was one of the best costume dramas ever. Sure enough, it has a permanent spot on Netflix. This is only my third Chinese historical series so I wanted to see the cream of the crop.
People tell me that it's that damn good but that it is incredibly angst-ridden. I'm not going to get into whether either is true at the moment. I'm at episode 12 or 13, I don't remember. But at this point, I'm more pissed than anything. I can deal with tragedy, I've seen Squid Game. But this, this is something else.
Can someone please tell me that there will be a reckoning? I mean...genocide? Really? Plz, tell me that this mofo isn't going to be redeemed by "love". I need some serious comeuppance happening at the end of this or else I'm just going to have to go to sleep and imagine impaling this bastard myself.
Not the ending I was expecting but I think it's fair. This was a great ride but I don't think the replay value is high considering that it's all a dream. Pretty weird when you think about it, lol. A third person's view of one person's dream, where everyone is living their lives, having subplots of their own outside of the dreamer's stream of consciousness.
Thank you, HBO. Looking forward to seeing the actress in new shows. I hope she branches out and lays off of mawkish dramas for a while. Maybe be a flying martial artist or something in her next role.
I think I'm going to go check out more of these Chinese period pieces now. I've only ever seen Rise of the Phoenix. Let's start with Goodbye, Princess.
Maybe your friend refer to actress Peng Xiao Ran.https://kisskh.at/people/13192-peng-xiao-ranHer famous…
Thank you for the comprehensive details. I see that the drama is actually a permanent fixture on Netflix!
Lol, I'm not afraid of a little tragedy in my tv shows. Besides, when someone tells me that something is one of the best there is then there is no choice, I have to see it.
I've survived All of us are dead, Alice in Borderland, and I doubt this show will be anything close to depressing like Squid Game. I'll give it a go this weekend.
Are you talking about Peng Xiao Ran? She still has leading roles....And if it's her, she's played leading roles…
You're right!..., or are you? I see her picture on the casting list. She looks heavenly. Is that really her on the moon bridge? Heckling the loser who is trying to woo the leading lady? It's like looking at her mother.
I was watching the latest episode on my tablet (ep. 28) because I'm still stuck at work. Anyway, a colleague caught me and snuck in to watch the show with me. So I was telling her how much I admired the leading lady and that I thought she was stunningly beautiful. Then she told me that the heckler standing on the moon bridge was once much prettier than her in her prime and played a leading role in one of the best historical dramas ever made.
I just don't see it. I paused and studied her and she looked ordinary, hehe (probably on purpose). The woman with rugged hands I could kind of picture it.
Anyway, for all that talk, my colleague doesn't remember her name, and doesn't even remember the name of the show she was in, yet was adamant that a decade earlier, my girl couldn't hold a candle to her. Now I'm curious.
Does anyone have any idea who she is and what show it is? I hope it really is a historical drama. I like the intrigue along with the romance as opposed to straight-up sappy romance.
I never would have thought that this HBO niche period piece would become my favorite series of the year. It made me sign up to this website. I had been waiting all year for the Witcher to surprise me and fix its mistakes, and instead got absolutely stymied by disappointment. While watching this show, I started to think wtf did I even care that much about that pos?
I just hope this show gets new licensing from other streaming sites in the future. Hard to recommend this to friends since most don't have HBO.
So you are just going to undermine the fact that she forced herself upon her ex to get him to marry her, ruined…
Are you serious right now? It does not occur to you that he can just tell her? Be heartfelt and just tell her? Two things can happen here. She listens to him and dismisses the kid. She investigates and finds out the kid had justifiable reasons.
So now ask yourself. Why did the lord not tell her like a protective gentleman and instead brought along these poor folks who said themselves that they are living a good life even though their father is a scumbag until he came along and orchestrate an arrest without fair trial?
So you are just going to undermine the fact that she forced herself upon her ex to get him to marry her, ruined…
Honestly, I'm baffled. I think it's a cultural thing. He did kill those people but she said it perfectly, where is the investigation? the trial? the reasons? What are the rules exactly? Let someone on the street scream bloody murder and arrest the "suspect" on the spot? Don't forget the accussers are plants. They didn't even want to be there because they could have been held responsible for the killing of innocent children.
So he hosted an event and assassins come and ruin it. I have seen so many shows where the male protagonist when through the gauntlet and come out with his integrity intact. This dude in my humble opinion is the most puzzling male protagonist I have ever seen, but you know this is my first rodeo watching Chinese historical dramas that is more romance then drama. I don't know what the barometer is for acceptable leeway. But I thought in Rise of the Phoenix, there was proportional cause and effect for every event. This is way different.
I can guess what the lord would have done if he was written in other shows. He would tell her the truth about the kid and observe how she responds then take action if necessary. I certainly did not expect him to orchestrate his arrest and torture. How is this leading man actions? I swear I have never seen anything like this. Look, I thought the kid was kind of pathetic too. Tugging on her while she stood guard like a sentinel. But the whole false imprisonment thing was just bonkers coming from the one character I least expected.
Her brother is a rapist. She does not talk to her brother up until his death. What else must a sister do? Castrate him? Her father is a traitor. She is trying to change things. That's the gist of the show. She is absorbing all this negative elements coming her way that INCLUDES her imbicile family and she's trying to deal with it the best way she can. the most vital thing she did was prevent the other girl's father's suicide. That should at least be good enough to get her father off decapitation if nothing else. She works to get her father to give up on his lofty ambitions and live a decent life. She kept the evidence knowing full well it could destroy her family because she has a damn conscience. She knows some hack witch killed her brother but with a heavy heart she yields to protect someone else. How is she worse? All she does is try to remain composed in spite of all the challenges. The way she articulates herself when facing hostilities is chef's kiss. Damn, leading ladies have it hard in historical dramas like this. She should be hailed as a hero.
Also, she is not just asking him to get her family off the hook. She is willing to die for them because she expects her father to keep his word and live the good life. Think about it, the way she views justice is that she dies, her parents live in the countryside and without titles, while the other girl and her father gets their life back.
So you are just going to undermine the fact that she forced herself upon her ex to get him to marry her, ruined…
Didn't I say that she was an evil hag in her previous life? She's trying to make things right. Will there be a second life when he screws things up for her?
Do you also honestly believe getting another man falsely imprisoned on murder charges as "not that bad"?
Tell me if someone did that to you on someone you care about, would you simply say plz be more considerate and don't use such tactless tactic?
Lol, I think I get the sentiment behind people's sudden U-turn against my main girl here. I think it's a cultural thing, but I don't claim to really know. Obviously, this is a chick flick, so the good-looking guy usually gets more sympathy. I just happen to catch this show on HBO, so I don't much understand the rules of the game on drama shows like this.
I totally and completely understand where my girl is coming from. In my part of the world, no matter how handsome the guy is, if he tries to get the girl by slandering a kid, getting him imprisoned and beaten, and even involving people who don't want to get involved, he deserves a blast from the barrel of a gun. Everybody knows the kid has good reasons, but he just wants him out of the way. It is beyond obsessive and, in his privileged position, dangerously authoritarian.
Realizing this, she politely and with incredible restraint (not by choice) simply asked him to be more “considerate” of her and not play the love game this way. Look at this scenario in the real world and imagine the guy looking more like Harvey Weinstein, and we’ll have people lighting torches and burning houses down. I’m actually quite shocked that he would resort to such Orwellian villainy. Funny thing is, if anyone has seen The Princess Bride: switch the Lord's face with Prince Humperdinck and the kid with the man in black, I guarantee everyone will want this lord dead.
Now, all she can do is let go of revenge to save the kid, which I imagine would be unimaginably afflicting. Of course, there is the point that she is still shielding her sinful family. But we know that it bears on her mind constantly. That is why she kept the evidence because her conscience is much clearer now. But nobody in their right mind would give up on their family right off the bat. I don’t know her future plans, but I believe she still wanted to make things right for everyone, just in a way that does not kill her parents. She already had a hand in saving the other girl’s father. I mean, he was supposed to die by suicide in her previous life.
And that is the whole point of her coming back to him. She feels great responsibility and is simply trying to negotiate a way to get the kid out of the bind the best way she can. She kept yielding and yielding to get him out; I thought it was painful to watch. I’ll give up on this, just get him out. I can do that, too, just get him out. The whole thing about her being upset that he picks and chooses the people to save has to do with commitment and priority. She said it beautifully and did not argue with him. She understands that he has a responsibility, and she accepts painfully that it outweighs even his obsession with her, but she dislikes it as is her right. She comes in there bearing her all, which shows her level of commitment.
This girl is absorbing hits and taking heat and, in the beginning, is quite meek at times, but I thought she’s become more impressive lately. She was cold to her husband, not caring if he hated her as long as he did not waver on his commitment to the other girl. She is cold to the lord because she knows it’s a dangerous game to be entangled with him. After all that she’s been through and people telling her to her face that it’s dangerous, she doesn’t want a new albatross. Of course, it would have been so easy had she not been an evil hag in her previous life. But that is neither here nor there. They are in the now.
I know the lord is the endgame, but he sure is screwing things up for her. The kid sure is annoying as hell, too. Clingy, tactless, and just as obsessive. What the hell is wrong with all these men? I know my girl is beautiful af but such an unhealthy obsession is beyond me. I still wish for things to go right for everyone, though, because I can sense good in all of the main characters in this show.
Out here people say that she resemble like Zhang Yi Yi. When she was mourning her brother dead.
To each his own. I don't think she looks anything like her. I've seen Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
There is a scene in Days of Future Past when Raven was recovering in the hospital, blankly staring into space and ruminating her unfortunate circumstance. Hua Qian gave the exact same look several times in this show in moments of reflection.
Seriously, this protagonist is bewitchingly beautiful. The most beautiful Chinese actress I've seen in a while. She reminds me of Jennifer Lawrence in Days of Future Past.
If I were the showrunner for One Piece, I'd call her up and ask her to perfect her English and offer her the role of Boa Hancock, the most beautiful character in that world. She oscillates between game face, poker face, and gentle face seamlessly. She would be perfect for this role.
I have always imagined Boa Hancock as an Asian version of young Jennifer Connelly. This is as close as it gets.
It seems the studio underestimated the show. Even Youku did not promote it properly before airing (they only started…
What terrible foresight. I recently got into the historical Wuxia genre on Netflix because I'm into that master, disciple, flying sword-fighting roguery. I never imagined getting drawn into this kind of drama production. But it’s like they’re sliding this show in front of me and saying, “go ahead and watch it, but really, we don’t give a toss what you think about it.”
What a fantastic way to draw in new audiences. Friggin' HBO, man.
Okay, so HBO earns exclusive rights to this show outside of China. They posted it front and center as a new release, the same in the trending shelf. Yet there is no promotion on it anywhere for non-English viewers. WTF do you even?
For the studio that owns this property, I hope they pick their distributors better in the future.
Sialan. Kebetulan aku intip satu episode serial ini di HBO sebelum tidur, sekarang siang hari nggak bisa kerja.…
Kenapa nggak serentak di keluarin aja ya semua episode kaya di Netflix? Bulan lalu aku puas banget dengan One Piece, nonton dan nonton ulang selama satu akhir pekan tapi senin-nya sudah melanjutkan hidup. Nggak tahan karena penasaran pikirin si Hua Qian melulu nih jadinya. Ini gadis cantik banget pula, hehehe.
Sialan. Kebetulan aku intip satu episode serial ini di HBO sebelum tidur, sekarang siang hari nggak bisa kerja. Demen-nya aku sama filem seri yang silat tapi kok jadi ketagihan sama yang kaya begini ya?
I guess I have a couple of days before I decide if I want to binge and continue to torture myself mentally.
Are you telling me after putting our lovely lady through the s***, they're going to continue to march her up to the cannon's mouth? She's so cheery and everything. I wish she was more of the brooding sort. I can't take this s***, lol. But I can't stop either, dammit. I'm at episode 20+ or something where she inevitably fell in love with this scumbag yet again but I can tell that this sand castle is going to be torn down soon.
Can you spoil me at least whether this pos will get what SHOULD be coming to him? He decapitated the poor girl's grandpa and stood front and center as her people were all massacred. I just want what is fair.
People tell me that it's that damn good but that it is incredibly angst-ridden. I'm not going to get into whether either is true at the moment. I'm at episode 12 or 13, I don't remember. But at this point, I'm more pissed than anything. I can deal with tragedy, I've seen Squid Game. But this, this is something else.
Can someone please tell me that there will be a reckoning? I mean...genocide? Really? Plz, tell me that this mofo isn't going to be redeemed by "love". I need some serious comeuppance happening at the end of this or else I'm just going to have to go to sleep and imagine impaling this bastard myself.
Thank you, HBO. Looking forward to seeing the actress in new shows. I hope she branches out and lays off of mawkish dramas for a while. Maybe be a flying martial artist or something in her next role.
I think I'm going to go check out more of these Chinese period pieces now. I've only ever seen Rise of the Phoenix. Let's start with Goodbye, Princess.
Lol, I'm not afraid of a little tragedy in my tv shows. Besides, when someone tells me that something is one of the best there is then there is no choice, I have to see it.
I've survived All of us are dead, Alice in Borderland, and I doubt this show will be anything close to depressing like Squid Game. I'll give it a go this weekend.
I was watching the latest episode on my tablet (ep. 28) because I'm still stuck at work. Anyway, a colleague caught me and snuck in to watch the show with me. So I was telling her how much I admired the leading lady and that I thought she was stunningly beautiful. Then she told me that the heckler standing on the moon bridge was once much prettier than her in her prime and played a leading role in one of the best historical dramas ever made.
I just don't see it. I paused and studied her and she looked ordinary, hehe (probably on purpose). The woman with rugged hands I could kind of picture it.
Anyway, for all that talk, my colleague doesn't remember her name, and doesn't even remember the name of the show she was in, yet was adamant that a decade earlier, my girl couldn't hold a candle to her. Now I'm curious.
Does anyone have any idea who she is and what show it is? I hope it really is a historical drama. I like the intrigue along with the romance as opposed to straight-up sappy romance.
I just hope this show gets new licensing from other streaming sites in the future. Hard to recommend this to friends since most don't have HBO.
So now ask yourself. Why did the lord not tell her like a protective gentleman and instead brought along these poor folks who said themselves that they are living a good life even though their father is a scumbag until he came along and orchestrate an arrest without fair trial?
So he hosted an event and assassins come and ruin it. I have seen so many shows where the male protagonist when through the gauntlet and come out with his integrity intact. This dude in my humble opinion is the most puzzling male protagonist I have ever seen, but you know this is my first rodeo watching Chinese historical dramas that is more romance then drama. I don't know what the barometer is for acceptable leeway. But I thought in Rise of the Phoenix, there was proportional cause and effect for every event. This is way different.
I can guess what the lord would have done if he was written in other shows. He would tell her the truth about the kid and observe how she responds then take action if necessary. I certainly did not expect him to orchestrate his arrest and torture. How is this leading man actions? I swear I have never seen anything like this. Look, I thought the kid was kind of pathetic too. Tugging on her while she stood guard like a sentinel. But the whole false imprisonment thing was just bonkers coming from the one character I least expected.
Her brother is a rapist. She does not talk to her brother up until his death. What else must a sister do? Castrate him? Her father is a traitor. She is trying to change things. That's the gist of the show. She is absorbing all this negative elements coming her way that INCLUDES her imbicile family and she's trying to deal with it the best way she can. the most vital thing she did was prevent the other girl's father's suicide. That should at least be good enough to get her father off decapitation if nothing else. She works to get her father to give up on his lofty ambitions and live a decent life. She kept the evidence knowing full well it could destroy her family because she has a damn conscience. She knows some hack witch killed her brother but with a heavy heart she yields to protect someone else. How is she worse? All she does is try to remain composed in spite of all the challenges. The way she articulates herself when facing hostilities is chef's kiss. Damn, leading ladies have it hard in historical dramas like this. She should be hailed as a hero.
Also, she is not just asking him to get her family off the hook. She is willing to die for them because she expects her father to keep his word and live the good life. Think about it, the way she views justice is that she dies, her parents live in the countryside and without titles, while the other girl and her father gets their life back.
Do you also honestly believe getting another man falsely imprisoned on murder charges as "not that bad"?
Tell me if someone did that to you on someone you care about, would you simply say plz be more considerate and don't use such tactless tactic?
I totally and completely understand where my girl is coming from. In my part of the world, no matter how handsome the guy is, if he tries to get the girl by slandering a kid, getting him imprisoned and beaten, and even involving people who don't want to get involved, he deserves a blast from the barrel of a gun. Everybody knows the kid has good reasons, but he just wants him out of the way. It is beyond obsessive and, in his privileged position, dangerously authoritarian.
Realizing this, she politely and with incredible restraint (not by choice) simply asked him to be more “considerate” of her and not play the love game this way. Look at this scenario in the real world and imagine the guy looking more like Harvey Weinstein, and we’ll have people lighting torches and burning houses down. I’m actually quite shocked that he would resort to such Orwellian villainy. Funny thing is, if anyone has seen The Princess Bride: switch the Lord's face with Prince Humperdinck and the kid with the man in black, I guarantee everyone will want this lord dead.
Now, all she can do is let go of revenge to save the kid, which I imagine would be unimaginably afflicting. Of course, there is the point that she is still shielding her sinful family. But we know that it bears on her mind constantly. That is why she kept the evidence because her conscience is much clearer now. But nobody in their right mind would give up on their family right off the bat. I don’t know her future plans, but I believe she still wanted to make things right for everyone, just in a way that does not kill her parents. She already had a hand in saving the other girl’s father. I mean, he was supposed to die by suicide in her previous life.
And that is the whole point of her coming back to him. She feels great responsibility and is simply trying to negotiate a way to get the kid out of the bind the best way she can. She kept yielding and yielding to get him out; I thought it was painful to watch. I’ll give up on this, just get him out. I can do that, too, just get him out. The whole thing about her being upset that he picks and chooses the people to save has to do with commitment and priority. She said it beautifully and did not argue with him. She understands that he has a responsibility, and she accepts painfully that it outweighs even his obsession with her, but she dislikes it as is her right. She comes in there bearing her all, which shows her level of commitment.
This girl is absorbing hits and taking heat and, in the beginning, is quite meek at times, but I thought she’s become more impressive lately. She was cold to her husband, not caring if he hated her as long as he did not waver on his commitment to the other girl. She is cold to the lord because she knows it’s a dangerous game to be entangled with him. After all that she’s been through and people telling her to her face that it’s dangerous, she doesn’t want a new albatross. Of course, it would have been so easy had she not been an evil hag in her previous life. But that is neither here nor there. They are in the now.
I know the lord is the endgame, but he sure is screwing things up for her. The kid sure is annoying as hell, too. Clingy, tactless, and just as obsessive. What the hell is wrong with all these men? I know my girl is beautiful af but such an unhealthy obsession is beyond me. I still wish for things to go right for everyone, though, because I can sense good in all of the main characters in this show.
There is a scene in Days of Future Past when Raven was recovering in the hospital, blankly staring into space and ruminating her unfortunate circumstance. Hua Qian gave the exact same look several times in this show in moments of reflection.
If I were the showrunner for One Piece, I'd call her up and ask her to perfect her English and offer her the role of Boa Hancock, the most beautiful character in that world. She oscillates between game face, poker face, and gentle face seamlessly. She would be perfect for this role.
I have always imagined Boa Hancock as an Asian version of young Jennifer Connelly. This is as close as it gets.
What a fantastic way to draw in new audiences. Friggin' HBO, man.
For the studio that owns this property, I hope they pick their distributors better in the future.