I hate fan service, I think it's not ok to do that to the actors, or the fans, but when cash is talking nothing…
I understand your point of view, but it's more complicated than just see it black or white, I think we already discussed it but anyways, you need to watch "call it what you want" there is people that their life is to be actors, they will suffer for the role, the guy in the drama had to drink chicken soup everyday and also his manager assaulted him, is he deserve it too just because he want to be actor? #metoo movement show it very clear, people that suffer for harassment just because they wanted to be actors, it's just example for your claim that it's only their choice. on top of that no matter which job you take there will be some problem, one job with trible manager , other with bad c workers , you can not get a perfect job, so if you choose this job why you couldn't complain and ask for a better treatment? This is the reason we have laws in the world, we can improve our rights.
Are you joking here about freedom of expression? What is even the connection? If there is a connection, it is the way around that they could be in a contract that respects them, and not forced to show this fan service or not be in a relationship.
If you want examples about the problems you need to ask for the one that opens the tread, I know only one case with Art and Mew, it was horrible to watch.
I thought that when the slot will be empty we'll watch something else, but this day of the week is weak now ,,,,just fish on the sky without subs, nothing more yet
Ok ok it is not so bad if Im waiting for the subs, it's probably because I do like it a bit, I will nto watch it without but still...It's fun in a way.
So I have a question. So this is generally mainly about BL series in general. I want to hear your opinions on…
I hate fan service, I think it's not ok to do that to the actors, or the fans, but when cash is talking nothing will stop it , it's not only GMMTV , you dig deep its also in streight drama from the beginning of time in hollywood, and disney and everything, even singers, not only actors pretending to be in relationship just for publisity, Selena Gomez with Justing biber, Justim T with Britny spirs,and the list goes on, you can not prevent it. I guess the reason for the frustration of bl fan service is high because it's a small community, it's not hollywood or US, it's almost nothing compare to the big market, most people do not even know what is BL, Maybe it will be bigger they will care about the international viewers pressure, seems to me it's been reduced lately as there is more awerness but I'm not watching a lot of lives shows so I am just guesing, for example 1000 stars , Earth add a girfriend , they are open about it, with My lovely writer the all show is about it, so maybe it will change a bit, it will be less extreme as it was for example with Max and Tul or Type and Turn, most of those that gave this like those " Max and Tul or Type and Turn, " they promoted so well they got the S2 and more projects, but others less, so they are using it to promote if they can, it's not good for some of the actors but for those for example it was the oppsite
Episode 1 is very good, one of the best start I have watched , I like both actors, I think Gus could grow his hair he will look amazong with long hair, the only issue with it was that they are not starting as gays but with girlfriends or ex grl, why they just doesn't start as gays,
please tell me about your thoughts on ITSAY? i stopped for personal and political reasons but i personally think…
I'm curious what politics you are talking about? can you share? ITSAY was good , I can not say it's bad, compare to other Thai BL but when I watched it until the middle it was cool for me, there were tenssion and exitment but I started to think it's more for Teens, and more dramatic approach that I don't like , they were crying a lot and stop talking, I am not impresed by the filming because I already watched a lot of moviews and know who influenced him, so for me it's not something so impressive as for young audience that didn't watch things like that before because they are watching mostly crap or trash or youtube or modern films. it's not art but it's good in a way.
Nirvana is just was at the right place in the right time, you should watch their decomuntery, just because people like some band it doesn't mean it's the best out there, they didn't made anything for me, I like 2 of their songs, but I don't like the shouting , it's just my hears got used to it after watching it again and again, they are not inspration, but for example I hate Bob dylen most of my life, but after I found out a lot about him and I understand what is behind his music and that there are a lot of covers songs that you don't even know that he wrote, so I started to like him in some way.
So what I'm saying it's time, time will tell you if somthing is put impact or not, and based on your knowledge.
I dislike Trapped could not watch until the end, ITSAY was ok, but not for me and I think it's for teens that…
" each present very relatable topics and situations closer to what can be found in other movies " - Exactly, they know How to delivere reality with fantasy but you feel they know what is inside of you and without talking to much, maybe it's more for introvert people, because they are mostly introvert culture, so they show you the emotions without talking about them, for me it's an art, I also think it's because maybe they expect more from themselves and partly maybe (only assamption( the govrement not interfire with their production as for example in South Korea , they at list before thougth more about the art than the money, Maybe it is gonna change now. another optin that their producers have more background of art and not only video editing. When you watch Thai drama you think somtimes they only study video editing and no art , the quality of their studies are lower. except ITSAY producer that have more knowledge of art, that is why he is using a lot of colors and simetric shots. you see he have background of art.
" professional the actors"- again I agree, for some reason they always choosing good actors, I barly watch Jdrama with bad actors, maybe 1% of them maybe even less, It's very strange because in other country it's like 50% or more,, but here even low budget give us good actors.
" like To my star" it was amazing drama, I agree South Korea know what they doing but after watching a lot of South korean dramas for years and years I can not watch most of them now, even the bl are bad but for me TMS was exeption, I didn't like WMEL because it's reminds me all the old dramas trops they are using all the time, I know all their tricks and formulas, they always using the same plot and same process, Yes they aiming high, they have high demands than Thai, but still they are always the same, they are like that also as a culture, I like them a lot as people but after years of watching them I see their patterns and tired of it.
" but only about 2 dramas from 10 gets popular"- true, but to tell the truth for now I don't mind and I'm watching most of them out of fun, skip most of the scenes but it's to relax my mind after a long day, I think I'm watching them for 6 years already and it's not a lot comparing to South korea that have a lot of money and the govrement involved so here Thai are like babies, they have a way to go, but they can improve , their series is not somthing to remember...for sure.
"Taiwan is following Thailand model"- indeed, again you are right, for me they even worse than Thai, Thai bringing fun and humor to their stupid plot, but as you said Tawan are just pushing the limits for rating.
"Hope China will wake up and make their censored" - it's very interesting, as their first dramas was really good and cute, although they had their problems like rape if you exclude it they were good, but this until the govrement involved, so it is sad, I don't think it will be different soon,
Ep 5 again, nothing keep me want to watch it, even if I like the tall one, , but maybe it'f for those tha tlike them as a couple, so they already have a beackground to watch it and not critisize it
It is a cute episode, I like how they dressed and the end , I don't like the hair style they made it look more as a professianl photoshoot and not natural like in the drama,
I keep seeing them in live in youtube, they keep on promoting probably, although I didn't fond of the series I fond of Charles in live ( he was only ok in the drama but in live he is cute)hope to watch him in a better drama
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#metoo movement show it very clear, people that suffer for harassment just because they wanted to be actors, it's just example for your claim that it's only their choice.
on top of that no matter which job you take there will be some problem, one job with trible manager , other with bad c workers , you can not get a perfect job, so if you choose this job why you couldn't complain and ask for a better treatment?
This is the reason we have laws in the world, we can improve our rights.
Are you joking here about freedom of expression? What is even the connection? If there is a connection, it is the way around that they could be in a contract that respects them, and not forced to show this fan service or not be in a relationship.
If you want examples about the problems you need to ask for the one that opens the tread, I know only one case with Art and Mew, it was horrible to watch.
I guess the reason for the frustration of bl fan service is high because it's a small community, it's not hollywood or US, it's almost nothing compare to the big market, most people do not even know what is BL, Maybe it will be bigger they will care about the international viewers pressure, seems to me it's been reduced lately as there is more awerness but I'm not watching a lot of lives shows so I am just guesing, for example 1000 stars , Earth add a girfriend , they are open about it, with My lovely writer the all show is about it, so maybe it will change a bit, it will be less extreme as it was for example with Max and Tul or Type and Turn,
most of those that gave this like those " Max and Tul or Type and Turn, " they promoted so well they got the S2 and more projects, but others less, so they are using it to promote if they can, it's not good for some of the actors but for those for example it was the oppsite
ITSAY was good , I can not say it's bad, compare to other Thai BL
but when I watched it until the middle it was cool for me, there were tenssion and exitment but I started to think it's more for Teens, and more dramatic approach that I don't like , they were crying a lot and stop talking, I am not impresed by the filming because I already watched a lot of moviews and know who influenced him, so for me it's not something so impressive as for young audience that didn't watch things like that before because they are watching mostly crap or trash or youtube or modern films. it's not art but it's good in a way.
Nirvana is just was at the right place in the right time, you should watch their decomuntery, just because people like some band it doesn't mean it's the best out there, they didn't made anything for me, I like 2 of their songs, but I don't like the shouting , it's just my hears got used to it after watching it again and again, they are not inspration, but for example I hate Bob dylen most of my life, but after I found out a lot about him and I understand what is behind his music and that there are a lot of covers songs that you don't even know that he wrote, so I started to like him in some way.
So what I'm saying it's time, time will tell you if somthing is put impact or not, and based on your knowledge.
" professional the actors"- again I agree, for some reason they always choosing good actors, I barly watch Jdrama with bad actors, maybe 1% of them maybe even less, It's very strange because in other country it's like 50% or more,, but here even low budget give us good actors.
" like To my star" it was amazing drama, I agree South Korea know what they doing but after watching a lot of South korean dramas for years and years I can not watch most of them now, even the bl are bad but for me TMS was exeption, I didn't like WMEL because it's reminds me all the old dramas trops they are using all the time, I know all their tricks and formulas, they always using the same plot and same process,
Yes they aiming high, they have high demands than Thai, but still they are always the same, they are like that also as a culture, I like them a lot as people but after years of watching them I see their patterns and tired of it.
" but only about 2 dramas from 10 gets popular"- true, but to tell the truth for now I don't mind and I'm watching most of them out of fun, skip most of the scenes but it's to relax my mind after a long day, I think I'm watching them for 6 years already and it's not a lot comparing to South korea that have a lot of money and the govrement involved so here Thai are like babies, they have a way to go, but they can improve , their series is not somthing to remember...for sure.
"Taiwan is following Thailand model"- indeed, again you are right, for me they even worse than Thai, Thai bringing fun and humor to their stupid plot, but as you said Tawan are just pushing the limits for rating.
"Hope China will wake up and make their censored" - it's very interesting, as their first dramas was really good and cute, although they had their problems like rape if you exclude it they were good, but this until the govrement involved, so it is sad, I don't think it will be different soon,