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I get that, and I think that’s normal (not wanting to show the ending too soon, otherwise people would not be as interested). And I’m looking at the editing keeping this in mind, so I’m hopefully not led astray too much :) but we shall see

I do hope they get to talk a little bit more to see if they actually have chemistry beyond that first initial interest. Hopefully all the little details we’ve noticed are a sign that they will

It’s when they are having lunch, after they talk about joining each other’s chats. Then they end talking about who else joined Hyujun’s chat, and this is where Sunwook’s says to Hyunjun ´one of them is your first roommate’, then we’re shown a scene of Yunjae sitting besides Hyunjun on day 2

They haven’t yet, but I’m thinking there will be a room change similar as what we’ve seen in previous seasons. Which could also explain why the chess scene takes place in another block. But that’s only speculation.

Fair for you to not be interested in the editing, but for me this season I’m deliberately choosing to pay attention to both their actions/reactions, and the editing. Whether or not I’m being misled time will tell, and I’m very much look forward to see if my analysis stand or gets dismantled.
Though even if I was only focusing on Hyunjun’s reactions/smiles during Jenga, I’d still think he’s had more smiles/tingle in his eyes for Yunjae than Sunwook, but that is my point of view, not fact.
And yes at the end who they choose is their business, so the end choice is not that important, as long as whatever choice they made made them happy (hopefully).
This season I’m just quite interested to see whether I read the ´clues’ or the editing right or wrong, as I’ve been looking at details more than I usually do when watching dating shows.
And yes completely agree that the elimination is unnecessary, especially on a dating show and when they have so little time. Hopefully it is scrapped in future seasons if the show gets renewed.

My analysis and my point of view are mine, and mine alone. I’m not trying to impose them on anyone nor am I dragging any of the contestants. O the rating, when first asked to rate his date Hyujun gave it a 3.5. Without any further explanation. He raised it to 5 only after Yunjae gave a 5 for the ‘fun’ of his own date. The explanation of the cold also only came after. So to me, and that is my interpretation, it makes his initial rating ring even more true. Now as I’ve said before there is a clear interest from Hyunjun towards Sunwook and vice versa, I’ve never denied that, and all you’ve mentioned (gift,date,chat), confirms that. So if Hyunjun does choose Sunwook in the end it makes sense. But, to me some of their actions, words, and the editorial choices shows Yunjae as a clear contender. Agree or disagree, that’s your prerogative, and right or wrong time will tell as we watch the show.

As I said I’m not denying that there is chemistry between Hyujun and Sunwook, or even that they may like each other/have familiarity/interest.
Yes they most definitely cut to Hyunjun everytime Sunwook answered a question, but they also cut to Sumin everytime Sunwook answered. Just like they cut both to Sunwook and Yunjae everytime Hyunjun answered a question, or they cut to Hyunjun everytime Yunjae answered a question. More than showing interests, I think these cuts were used to show love lines.
What was more interesting to me and I would say more selective, thus a little more revealing in the editorial choices were the confessionals and the internal commentary of the contestants.

I did think about that, and I think the editing even in the trailer is also a clue towards Hyunjun / Yunjae. If I remember correctly the hug scene is the penultimate scene in the trailer, the last scene being a blurry image. And the sentence they chose to go with the scene was ‘to become a couple and really date’. If we don’t look into it much, it almost looks like this could be an ending scene and indicate an ending couple. But we all know trailers are never that easy nor straightforward.
So to me this scene is most definitely a decoy, wanting to mislead us in believing they are the ending couple, when in reality the scene will mean something completely different.
Truth be told I became a bit of a nerd and analysed these scenes almost like a detective 😆. So in a world where the hug is indeed between Hyunjun and Sunwook, my theory is that the day the hug scene happens is also the day Hyunjun and Yunjae change rooms, and holds hands (the hoodie Hyunjun is wearing seems to be of the same colour as during the hand holding scene).
With the hug happening during the day, and the hand holding at night. So my theory is that the hug is an acknowledgment from Hyunjun and Sunwook of past history/feelings and a sort of goodbye. While the hand holding at night is Hyunjun and Yunjae openly admitting and affirming their feelings for each other, with that slight touch of shyness and hesitation.
And to me it fits Hyujun’s character to close a chapter during the day, only to open a new one at night, firmly. He’s been very cautious with his words not show preference for one over the other so far, so I think once he makes a choice, he will stick to it. And both the hug and the hand holding are an indication of this choice towards Yunjae. But this is just my theory, and I could be 1000pct wrong 😆

After episode 7, I’m a little more convinced that Hyunjun is most likely to end up with Yunjae. And this is mostly due to editorial choices rather than words or actions from each of them. But some actions/words have also been quite revealing.
Let’s start with the editorial choices:
- Hyunjun’s confessionals for this episode were all shot the same day as the date whereas both Sunwook’s and Yunjae’s confessionals were shot on a different day
- Although only shortly mentioned, even during what should have been his ‘spotlight’ time with Hyunjun, Sunwook mentions Yunjae, and we are shown scenes of Yunjae. The reaction from Hyunjun at this mention is not shown, nothing more than a ‘yeah?’
- After the date we are shown a confessional of Sunwook where he states his resolve to focus on Hyunjun, but nothing of the sort is shown for Hyunjun
- Upon their return at the house, we are shown scenes of Yunjae eagerly waiting for Hyunjun, seeing Hyunjun hanging out with Sunwook and others upon his return and choosing to retreat to his room alone rather than join, then having a moment alone with Hyunjun where he asks him out. But not one scene of Sunwook reflecting on his date, nor a shared scene between Sunwook and Hyunjun was shown
- During Jenga, despite multiple chances, we are never shown Hyunjun choosing Sunwook for a question. We only see him choosing Yunjae once, and Yunjae choosing him once as well
- During the hand holding moment, we are shown a confessional of both Hyunjun and Sunwook, but not one of Yunjae, which would have been the most important as he is the one with feelings but conflict/hesitation
- Notice how while Hyunjun and Yunjae are holding hands we’re shown a confessional of Sunwook reacting, however there is no such confessional for Hyunjun when Sunwook walks out with Sumin for their 10minutes date - we only see a shot of Hyunjun
Now if we look at their actions/words:
- Hyunjun calls Sunwook cute repeatedly throughout the day. It is nice. But it is not heart fluttering (not for the audience), as it said too casually, too openly, too many times (he even says it during Jenga as his first impression of Sunwook, just exactly as Taichi also describes his first impression of Sunwook). It is far from creating the same effect we usually see when they say this in dating shows ‘once you find them cute, it’s over’
- During the date, most of the emotional questions are initiated by Sunwook. Hyunjun merely answers, barely initiates, and ‘fires back’ questions even less
- That 3.5 rating, for a date with someone with whom you’ve already shared previous moments/dates, is quite telling
- During Jenga when Hyunjun is asked, ‘is the person you’re interested in to your left or to your right’ he turns around to check before responding. Why does he turn around? Throughout the game, because he was sitting on the couch, he’s consistently had to get up and move let or right of Yunjae to get down on the floor. So Yunjae’s position kept changing as he kept moving. Whereas Sunwook has always stayed to his right. Thus him checking doesn’t necessarily eliminate Sunwook, but it 100pct affirms Yunjae. And what is odd is that no confessional is shown in reaction to his move (as it must have certainly puzzled a few, just as much as it puzzled the audience)
- Notice during the date when Sunwook asks him how he felt after he asked him out on date, he only replied ‘surprised’, whereas during his confessional when asked how he felt about Yunjae choosing him to hold his hand he replied ‘flustered’
All of these are not confirmation yet that he will choose Yunjae or even that Yunjae will not be eliminated, but one thing they show clearly is that after his date with Sunwook Hyunjun did not become certain, and is still very clearly open to Yunjae.
Where his mouth has been saying all day that Sunwook was cute, his eyes, his actions have been screaming all night that Yunjae was the one he found cute. And this is where the ‘once you find them cute, it’s over’ gets into play. Here it’s heart fluttering.
I’m definitely not denying that there is chemistry between Hyunjun and Sunwook. Where the date did not act as confirmation for Hyunjun, it certainly acted as confirmation of shared comfort/warmth/familiarity. So if he does choose Sunwook at the end it will still make sense.
But the editing is clearly showing that there is something there with Yunjae that cannot be denied (almost framing Yunjae as a protagonist). This coupled with the 2 sentences from the trailer ‘I once liked him, so I hesitated’, and ‘my feelings have not changed, they have grown stronger’, and the hand holding scene from the trailer are to me indicators that Yunjae is the clear contender.

This is just me rambling more than spoilers. This season is quite annoying to me in a way - as in why am I trying so hard to analyse the ‘clues’ when I could just be patient and wait to see what happens? 🤣
But what’s more annoying is that these clues are just not aligning and it’s pretty much keeping me from letting it go and being patient.
So here goes nothing, trying to make sense of it all.
- HyunJun calls Yunjae on the first night, says he is curious,
- On the 2nd day though he doesn’t give him a gift nor joins his chat (but at that point still says he is curious),
- On the 3rd day he chooses Sunwook to go on a date,
- On that same night there is something in the way he looks at Yunjae while they hold hands during the game,
- And he doesn’t give a straight answer when he’s also asked a question during the game
Ummmm…
Objectively speaking at this point, most things seem to indicate he is more interested in Sunwook than he is in Yunjae, as we haven’t seen him take a step forward towards Yunjae since that first night.
But…
Little things still make it a bit ambiguous (mainly the glint in his eyes when he looks at YJ while they hold hands during the game, and that scene of them holding hands in the trailer).
Now, the trailers do not show any scene from a potential date between Hyunjun and Yunjae, while they’ve clearly shown scenes from every date we’ve seen so far in the season, and a few more scenes from upcoming dates including the date between Hyunjun and Sunwook, the date between Yunjae and Jaeha, the 2nd date between Hangyeol and Taichi, the second date between Hyeongjun and Minseong, the date between Hangyeol and big Hyeokjin , and what seems like to be a triple date between Hangyeol, big Hyeokjin and a third person (maybe Sumin?).
So the question is, would the trailers have shown us scenes of all the dates? Would the hand holding scene from the trailer then just really be a farewell (or a rejection) scene before (or after), the elimination?
Or would there be more date scenes not included in the trailers, especially of Hyunjun and Yunjae, but these have not been included in the trailers as they would clearly show they are end game (considering any date they would have would happen during the 2nd half of the season when you would expect they have a clearer read on their feelings)?
One other thing bugs me.
In the trailers Hyujun seems to be the one saying ‘My feelings have not changed, they have gotten stronger’, and ‘I once liked him, so I hesitated’ - although at first it feels like both these sentences should be for Sunwook (the first would definitely make sense), I’m just wondering if maybe they could be instead related to Yunjae, as in his first feelings of interest for Yunjae have not changed, they have only gotten stronger. And especially the 2nd sentence reads like he could be saying ‘I liked Sunwook before, so I took time to contemplate my decision before moving on?’ …. But yeah this might be quite a reach…
During season 2 with Seongho and Junseong I could clearly see their storyline, and clearly see the shift when I knew for sure Seongho was going to pick Junseong (their kitchen scene, and the scene where they were chatting in the bedroom afterwards with the new guy). But this season is a bit harder as Hyunjun isn’t being really as straightforward/upfront with his feelings - although I say that, it’s quite clear he is showing an interest in SW, it’s just not quite so clear whether YJ is completely out of his interest or not, and that little uncertainty is what stopping me from taking a stand.
But I want to take a stand, as I feel like that next episode with the date between Hyunjun and Sunwook, and the game will basically give us a clear indication of the end game, so it will be less fun to try and guess.
So let me take a stand now. Although it seems unlikely at this point (with all things pointing out towards Yunjae maybe getting eliminated), I’ll put my stocks in that little glint in Hyunjun’s eyes when he looked at Yunjae, and those grey areas that are showing uncertainty in his feelings.
I’ll bet on Hyunjun and Yunjae.
Let’s see how it unfolds!!

These are more speculations than spoilers…
If the elimination happens on the same day they vote (day 3), then Hangyeol and Taichi are safe (they have at least one more upcoming date), Yunjae, Sunwook, and Hyunjun are safe (the day they seem to change rooms is most likely the day Hyunjun hugs Sunwook (or at least hugs someone) and holds Yunjae’s hand), Big Hyeokjin is safe (he has at least one upcoming date with Hangyeol), and Minseong and Hyeogjun are safe (they have at least one more upcoming date), which means Little Hyeokjin (no other dates) and/orJaeha (no other dates either) could be eliminated. Now if they vote on day 3 and the result of the votes are on day 4 then Yunjae might indeed also be eliminated, and Hyunjun holding his hand could just be their farewell after the elimination.
Saw someone say that Hyunjun didn’t actually do anything to lead on Yunjae, and if we go strictly by what has been shown so far on the show it’s actually true. As Hangyeol described him at first he has been quite dull so far, and not really taking initiative. I guess people are hung up on the initial interest he showed in episode 1, the fact that they are roomies and that Yunjae likes him, and that hand holding scene in the trailers. But it’s not fair to hold any of these up against him in how his feelings develop as the show progresses. At the end of the day we only see a snippet of the time they spend together, so unless they say it clearly or a scene is shown that can leave no doubt, we can’t really know how they feel about each other - and so far where Hyunjun is concerned we haven’t had any clarity either way. So all we can do is wait patiently and see.

I honestly think YW just got the ick, really bad, and from there on his all plan went downhill.
When I say plan, I mean that it feels to me he went in there with the intention to find someone, and show a loyal character to that person from start to finish, hence presenting a great image. And meeting CH, who was luckily his perfect type on paper, it felt like it was easy and went smoothly.
However although they stayed in that house for 2 weeks, which may seem like a long time , but because CH was working so much he didn’t actually get to spend much time with her in romantic way and assess her character. They only had 2 dates which were not enough to solidify feelings of love and a relationship. So when they actually got to spend a lot of time together just the two of them in a romantic way, I believe he just got the ick seeing how incompatible (and not fun) they were as a couple. Add to that that people were telling him they seemed like newlyweds, I think he just panicked. And this is not a reflection on CH’S character, it’s just sometimes we don’t mesh well with people, even if on paper they seem perfect for us.
Now where YW went wrong is definitely how he handled his ick. From the moment he sat down to talk one on one with CH to express his change of direction, his whole posture, demeanour, and the nonsense he was saying were just rubbish.
And it only got worse from there. He could have simply been direct and told CH that after spending more time together he believed they weren’t compatible and his romantic spark didn’t deepen. But no, not only was he confusing, too nonchalant, a bit rude, and on the last episode just hurtful, he also had to try and get with someone else, which is just stupid when you are one day from the end of the journey, which by the way to me just felt like his way of showing CH he really didn’t want her.
So I definitely wouldn’t berate him for wanting to stuck with CH at first based on his first impressions and spending a few hours with her, then changing his mind when he realised they were not good together (because he seemed genuine at first and feelings can change), but I’m definitely giving him side ye for how he acted towards CH after changing his mind. It just was not nice.

That’s the thing though, at some point he was adamant he knew what he wanted, to divorce his wife and be with the other woman. But he ended up cheating, then promised to everyone that he would stop whatever relationship he had with the mistress, even though this is not what he wanted.
There is no excusing his behaviour, and as many people have said, he is just a weak man.
As to wether or not their marriage was salvageable, we will never know, as he never gave them the chance to.

Saying ‘he did try to talk, but she’s not an easy person to talk to’ is just an excuse. He could/should have tried harder. Even if this meant arguing, tearing each other heads off, their feelings would have been out in the open to deal with.
Yes we can all pause and wonder if the person we’re with is the right for us. That does not mean it is ok to cheat.
From the long conversation they had before sleeping together, they clearly weren’t drunk. Heck during that conversation he was telling her he was going to divorce his wife then go to her. Had he actually done that, no one would fault them. But somehow, she thought taking her clothes off and telling him to ‘know the real her’ i.e. sleep with her, before making his decision was the way to go. Not sure how this could be excused.
As for wanting moral and financial support for her baby, fair enough. Then go about it a more honest way, don’t tell the guy ‘I’ll accept your parents help, but won’t see you again’.
Had she sat down with him, and told him ‘ok, I also want you in the baby’s life, but considering you are staying with your wife, we need to find a way to make this work for all of us, your wife needs to be on board with, no matter how long this is going to take and how hard this is going to be’ - I would have respected her more.

No one can really fault them for falling in love if they did, as you can’t really control feelings, but for making that conscious decision to sleep together when he was still married, even if it was just once, yes they are at fault.

Defending the lawyer and the mistress, as in because he was unhappy it’s ok he cheated? This is just all kinds of wrong.
If he was that unhappy, all he had to do was man up and talk to his wife - they were married, they made a commitment, he at the very least owed her the decency of telling her how he felt, what he wanted, give them a chance to make a change, try and fix it. Had he done that, and they still decided that their marriage couldn’t be saved, then ok divorce and go be with whomever you want. Life is short yes, don’t stay in an unhappy marriage if there’s no saving it, yes - that’s what divorces are for. Not cheating. Never excuse cheating.
And defending the mistress is just plain wrong.
I remember pulling my hair in season 1 when she was telling the lawyer to bear his situation with his wife, instead of pushing him to talk to her and share his feelings honestly. Then she proceeds to sleep with him.
I find her just plain old manipulative. She says ok I’ll cut off all relationships with the lawyer, then proceed to accept his parents’ help (and don’t give me the ‘they’re insisting so she has no choice but to accept’ that’s bullshit).
She’s playing the victim and that’s despicable when she’s the perpetrator.
She is probably the worst out of all 3 mistresses. At least the actress knows she’s being shameless and admits it. And the young girl is just being young and stupid.
But this one, it’s peak shamelessness, wanting to act like an angel. Disgusting.

Nothing about that scene felt even slightly romantic to me - their position on the couch seemed highly uncomfortable, seeing how ZSY struggled and how GSD repositioned him (none of that screamed romance).
As for the music, I felt it was well used - the whole first part of the scene where GSD breaks down in the hallway and apologises on the couch is without any music. The music only kicks in when he moves onto the second couch, and there starts the kissing scene.
And even in this part of the scene the song is used in 2 different ways, with only the instrumental played at first, then the lyrics kicking in only when ZSY finally gives in and kisses him back.
I am no music expert so I would not be able to properly analyse the nuances in the music, I have however googled the song - ‘Unbreakable Love’ by Eric Chou (which, correct me if i am wrong, but I think this is the first time the song is featured in both seasons) - and reading the lyrics of the song, it seemed to me quite fitting with their situation and unresolved feelings.
Personally when I heard the song I felt like crying, and not the fluffy crying of a beautiful love, more like the ugly crying of a heartbreak.

I really like this show, it’s a relatively nice story with good acting, which is not always the case for BL shows.
I have no issues with episode 2. I don’t like unnecessary violence, and i’m not a fan of alcohol so scenes with drunk people are usually not my cup of tea. However the way this particular couch scene played out was in my opinion very fitting with the backstory and what I imagined the state of mind of the characters to be at that point.
After all, this was the pent up emotions of a guy who’s been hopelessly in love with the same person for over a decade, someone who at first he didn’t think he could ever have, only to somehow luck out and have that person reciprocate his feelings. But life happened, and few years forward he’s heartbroken, having hurt that person badly and not being able to tell them why. Pain and frustration and heartbreak and love and longing and lusting, all that mixed with alcohol, that scene playing out in a tough/rough way made sense to me. And this is only from GSD point of view, if we were to take ZSY point of view, we have an equal amount of pain and resentment and hate and heartbreak and longing and lusting and love - so him staying and fighting back GSD, and himself before giving in, also made sense.
Now in a perfect world, there wouldn’t have been any misunderstanding or drama, they would only need to talk it out nicely, forgive each other and move on (which they will hopefully do by the end). But this is not a perfect world, these are not perfect characters, and most importantly relationships are not perfect. It is of course nice to see happy relationships portrayed on TV, but it is also ok to show toxic ones, as truth is lots of relationships are indeed toxic - and we stay in those relationships, simply because we love, and that sucks, but it’s reality.
And judging what is right or what is wrong, what someone should take or not take, is always easy as outsiders, but as a viewer I’d rather take this opportunity to put myself in these characters shoes, and more than judging them, try to understand and emphasise with them.
My point being that I appreciated how real that scene felt - it wasn’t pretty, it wasn’t perfect, it was somewhat uncomfortable at times, heartbreaking at others, but it felt real, and it made sense, and that’s all I ever ask for when watching a show.
And the choices they made as actors and directors, to drink before shooting the scene and not have a script, are what made this scene successful.
For once I really liked not having to see another cliche drunken act, and if Sam had to have a drink or 2 before the scene to make that happen, I have no problem with that - after all we don’t necessarily know all that actors/actresses do to prepare their roles and their scenes, and unless it’s something criminal/illegal, it really shouldn’t matter much.

Yes I agree, I also missed having the mentors teach the trainees during their practice (unless they intentionally didn’t show it to us). Hopefully we’ll see more of them interacting with the trainees for future stages.
And true Santa was teaching a bit like Lisa, asking them to repeat moves until it got better. Truth be told if they had a dance mentor like Lisa, most of the groups would have struggled even more as dancing really isn’t their forte.