Everyone Including me always argue that JBR is the real cross killer.. after memory loss he just don't know that…
You have a point... After Ep. 6 everything leads to Ba Reum as the killer...
But with your first point , you made me think...Yeah, why going after some people out of his personal circle? It is too noticeable and the investigation would lead to him in some way! And then with such a staging, like in prison. He should have a big ego and be very confident, to do such a staging with himself as some kind of main actor... With Yo Han it was the same way around: Killing his good friend would of course lead the investigation to him. Also killing Dr. Lee, and the grandma. All the people, who were involved in it: The grandma, who saw the pictures on his wall. Dr. Lee, who wanted to talk with him. I never believed that Dr. Lee would meet with a man, who he thought to be a psychopath, in such a hidden park at night.. Dr. Lee was at HH wives house, and maybe he realized something, maybe he realized that Yo Han wasn't the real son and wanted to meet with him. Yo Han had this paternity test, maybe he told him beforehand or wanted to tell him the truth, when they meet. The real killer wanted to stop that. Maybe the real killer really only toyed with Yo Han and nobody should find out about the truth.
Your second point is also very understandable. He couldn't have done all this things in such a short amount of time. Only when he had some kind of helper, it would maybe be possible.
And the third point: I also saw some scenes, where I couldn't imagine Ba Reum as the killer. :/
Isn't he's still in coma? I think it was shown in episode 7 or 8 where Bareum is talking to her mom that you can't…
Yeah, they let Yohan be killed, but he survived. I thought so too, that he is maybe a witness later on.
But don't forget, that he was the first human being (before Ba Reum) who was operated from the HH after all this years. The HH only experimented with mice, so maybe Na Chi Kook should be his first try to operate on a human brain..To look, if the HeadHunter is really capable of doing the later things..It was a test maybe...Na Chi Kook was after the mice the first human experimental subject..And as you can see, it wasn't really successful, because he still is in coma till today.
I think there is maybe even a greater story.
Na Chi Kook is also the only victim, who survived the cross killer...I think, that is kind of strange. If Yohan would have been the killer(but we now are sure, he wasn't) he could easy kill him in the hospital, like he wanted to do it with Ba Reum. And when Ba Reum is a psychopathic killer, he wouldn't let him survive, even when he saw him as a friend or only played a fake friend..
So why let him survive, when he is such a risk?
Maybe to look, how he turns out? Maybe Na Chi Kook plays even a bigger role, when he wakes up? Maybe his brain is also some kind of modified then?
Before the accident he was a man with moral principles. It would also be interesting, how he changes.
Firstly I thought the cross killer is only a fan of the HeadHunter and wanted to impress him, to serve him the man who snubbed him on the silver platter. ( Na Chi Kook didn't give the HH needle and thread, like the prison doctor advised him.) And because HH operated on him, it is some kind of masterpiece, that can't be destroyed.
But it was all planned beforehand. A staging.. So it can't be the cause.
Maybe they wanted to cover up their experimental crimes behind the cross killer murders?
Also in the scene when the HH operated on Na Chi Kook [Friend] in prison...For the first time I really thought Ba Reum couldn't look, and had this facial expression with this narrowed eyes, as the HH operated, were because of the blood and the shock and only the short gaze at the headhunter was because of worry....But then as I rewatched, I realized that Ba Reums friend Koo Dong Goo did this facial expression beforehand and Ba Reum only copied/mimic that and then he only looked to the headhunter to observe him..He was falling out of his role and the HH saw this, smiled and Ba Reum was going back to his role/mask. Ja Ba Reum copied the behavior of his friend, like all psychopath do it..
Didn't it remind you of anything? It reminded me of the scene with the little, yellow raincoat kid. The little children before the terrarium were the audiences, like the prisoners in the prison hall. The terrarium was like the stage in prison. The stage light in both scenes is also similar. We all think the HH was the observer in the audience, but in reality it was Ba Reum, who observed the HH and the whole audience. It was all his staging..
But who is the mouse and who the snake?
Probably the HH should be assimilated with the snake, because he is dangerous and trapped in prison and can't escape, like the snake in the terrarium? But look, the HH comes to the stage, like the mouse came into the terrarium.. The HH thinks he does it voluntary and Ba Reum wants him to believe that. Ba Reum controles the Head Hunters actions. He knew beforehand that the HH would operate. He knew that the HH wouldn't let such a chance to practice his skills slide... It was all his doing So the HH is in this case the mouse..(There is also this scene were the Head Hunter discovers the mouse in prison, who wants to escape through the fence, but gets stuck. The HH has this look on his face. The mouse reminds him of himself because he is also stuck and cannot escape.) See Na Chi Kook [Jung Ba Reums friend], was a prison guard, he has more rights as the prisoner HH and is more powerful (controls) in this place. But Jung Ba Reum reversed this roles, and makes the HH as the prisoner himself more powerful then the prison guard. The roles in the terrarium are also reversed. The mouse is more powerful than the snake.
I think the mouse, which the little boy in the rain coat found and one of the mice, which were sent to Dr. Daniel Lee were also operated. They had this scar on their heads and developed such aggressive behaviors....
And also: Does somebody know, if Dr. Lee was still in England as the mice were sent in the package? When he was there, the mice couldn't have come from Korea or another country, because they wouldn't have survived in such a package for long and there are customs examinations.. They must have been send from England.. And it seems he has a lost brother, who he was searching (Ep. 1).. His sister was murdered from the HH, because she didn't want the baby..Maybe it was a lie, that she aborted. When the HH was working in Korea that time and she stayed in England. When he had a busy schedule as a young doctor, it could have meant he didn't discovered her pregnancy.
And when the HH could go out of prison this time..Maybe there were more times.. Also he had a cellphone in prison..Maybe he is the founder of the HH Fan club..
Im still shocked :O Didn't expect that. When a brain transplant really is added...I'm really curious, how it turns out!:) I think the aunt is hiding something. I really hope that Ba Reum was the good guy before and is now fighting against his new dark side (duality). But it would also make sense, when he was the bad guy before, and now because of the surgery has empathy and so can in the end feel the grief and regret about his former actions, when he learns the truth...
I don’t think JBR is the killer either but the way he went from saving the bird to killing it for disturbing…
I was so shocked, as he did this. Poor little birdi. First I thought that they only want to fool us like in the preview of episode 4..Than I hoped it would only be a dream..But it seemed so real:( In the new preview, he says: "You can't lose hope." I think they put this sentences purposely there..
I rewatched some episodes, and found out that Dr. Daniel Lee and Detective Shin have the same taste when it comes to umbrellas. They look nearly the same. They both must be from this limited edition, that Detective Shin talked about ;)
I think this drama is really stunning. So mysterious. I really can't tell, who the culprit/culprits is. My first guess was Yo Han, then the priest Ko Moo Won and now, I don't wanna believe it, Jung Ba Reum.. (The prison doctor is suspicious too. ) But one think let me drop, that Ba Reum is the perpetrator: Remember, when they investigated the case in his house and the priest came to deliver the food.. He told him to lie about the fact, that he made the food. But Jung Bareums way to lie was too obvious. I mean, when he was lying about his personality all the time, wouldn't that be a nothing him. But it seemed that he really can't lie.. Look at his gesture and mimical expressions..Or was he too absorbed in his role? I mean it wouldn't matter in this situation..
And the murder of Daniel Lee. It was to obvious.. I mean.. when it really would be Yo Han.. Why letting the ferris wheel light on (only because of that, the person in charge saw that) and doesn't remove the chaos in the gondola..And then the most stupid thing: Let the car of Daniel Lee standing in front of this park, so that the police can lead that back to him. I mean, why make the trouble to get rid of the body, when everything was so clear to trace back?
Maybe Daniel Lee was working together with Yo Han and to investigating the case (and to disappear from the murderers radar) he must vanish.. It was a great amount of blood, but when you take a little blood from the same person over some time, you have this amount and the person should be fine. (I saw this in another movie.) Yo Han is a doctor..It should be no problem for him
And another thing: Na Chi Kook, the friend ofJung Ba Reum, is still alive, after the culprit tried to kill him. If Yo Han is the killer, wouldn't he want to eliminate the witness. He was the operating surgeon, right? He saved his life. But he wanted to kill Bar Reum in the hospital, but failed of some circumstances.
And in the flashback, from five years ago: The more his stepfather beats him up the more he gets a violent behavior. Firstly Jae Hoon hurts himself, when he is angry. But after the father does that to him, that changes. The two things he hates the most are chatterboxes and people, who are lying. In the police interrogation he says he doesn't kill them and saw nothing. The polygraph shows nothing unusual. Daniel Lee suspected he deceived the polygraph because he is a psychopath. But would Jae Hoon go over his principles to lie. As his younger brother, his father and the teacher asked him, why he was doing this cruel things to the animals, he didn't lie and spoke the truth. And the father was clearly falling from the stairs, as he was murdered. They want to make us believe that he killed him. If that's the case, he didn't lie to the polygraph. But who was it then?
Two other things that I noticed: His younger sister acted some kind of strange. He told his younger brother, he shouldn't take about the ammonia. As the father asked and the younger brother couldn't answer, the little sister came to help and repeated the whole conversation, although she was playing that time. She didn't broke the promise so. Very clever! And as he was beaten up by his stepfather, the younger brother was crying at one side, and the girl was smiling at the other. Strange... And I can't tell, if it is the HeadHunters wife in this scene..They want that we think so, but.. She is a florist . Shouldn't there be some flowers in the house? I mean, now in the present as Ko Moo Chi was visiting her, there was a amount of flowers very central positioned. But in the house from the past I saw one vase hidden. (As she was living with the Head Hunter she even had an own studio.. )
And Ba Reum friend Koo Dong Goo is writing a book about psychopathy and joined the HeadHunters Fan Club. And his great wish is to be a Regisseur ? Very suspicious ;) I mean, the victims were chosen in medias. And than the life show with the priest... And sometimes when the culprit ist talking to himself, particularly when he killed the grandma, he seems like the protagonist of his own movie.
Ok, my first comment so wide. I hope it is understandable:)
But with your first point , you made me think...Yeah, why going after some people out of his personal circle? It is too noticeable and the investigation would lead to him in some way!
And then with such a staging, like in prison. He should have a big ego and be very confident, to do such a staging with himself as some kind of main actor...
With Yo Han it was the same way around: Killing his good friend would of course lead the investigation to him. Also killing Dr. Lee, and the grandma. All the people, who were involved in it: The grandma, who saw the pictures on his wall. Dr. Lee, who wanted to talk with him. I never believed that Dr. Lee would meet with a man, who he thought to be a psychopath, in such a hidden park at night.. Dr. Lee was at HH wives house, and maybe he realized something, maybe he realized that Yo Han wasn't the real son and wanted to meet with him. Yo Han had this paternity test, maybe he told him beforehand or wanted to tell him the truth, when they meet. The real killer wanted to stop that. Maybe the real killer really only toyed with Yo Han and nobody should find out about the truth.
Your second point is also very understandable. He couldn't have done all this things in such a short amount of time. Only when he had some kind of helper, it would maybe be possible.
And the third point: I also saw some scenes, where I couldn't imagine Ba Reum as the killer. :/
How often did we hear the Off Voice till now ?
Till episode seven, we only heard the Off Voice (thoughts) of Yohan.
After episode 7, we hear Ba Reums Off Voice, for the first time.
Did I forget something?
But don't forget, that he was the first human being (before Ba Reum) who was operated from the HH after all this years. The HH only experimented with mice, so maybe Na Chi Kook should be his first try to operate on a human brain..To look, if the HeadHunter is really capable of doing the later things..It was a test maybe...Na Chi Kook was after the mice the first human experimental subject..And as you can see, it wasn't really successful, because he still is in coma till today.
I think there is maybe even a greater story.
Na Chi Kook is also the only victim, who survived the cross killer...I think, that is kind of strange. If Yohan would have been the killer(but we now are sure, he wasn't) he could easy kill him in the hospital, like he wanted to do it with Ba Reum.
And when Ba Reum is a psychopathic killer, he wouldn't let him survive, even when he saw him as a friend or only played a fake friend..
So why let him survive, when he is such a risk?
Maybe to look, how he turns out?
Maybe Na Chi Kook plays even a bigger role, when he wakes up?
Maybe his brain is also some kind of modified then?
Before the accident he was a man with moral principles. It would also be interesting, how he changes.
Firstly I thought the cross killer is only a fan of the HeadHunter and wanted to impress him, to serve him the man who snubbed him on the silver platter. ( Na Chi Kook didn't give the HH needle and thread, like the prison doctor advised him.) And because HH operated on him, it is some kind of masterpiece, that can't be destroyed.
But it was all planned beforehand. A staging.. So it can't be the cause.
Maybe they wanted to cover up their experimental crimes behind the cross killer murders?
Maybe...
Didn't it remind you of anything?
It reminded me of the scene with the little, yellow raincoat kid.
The little children before the terrarium were the audiences, like the prisoners in the prison hall. The terrarium was like the stage in prison. The stage light in both scenes is also similar.
We all think the HH was the observer in the audience, but in reality it was Ba Reum, who observed the HH and the whole audience. It was all his staging..
But who is the mouse and who the snake?
Probably the HH should be assimilated with the snake, because he is dangerous and trapped in prison and can't escape, like the snake in the terrarium?
But look, the HH comes to the stage, like the mouse came into the terrarium..
The HH thinks he does it voluntary and Ba Reum wants him to believe that. Ba Reum controles the Head Hunters actions. He knew beforehand that the HH would operate. He knew that the HH wouldn't let such a chance to practice his skills slide... It was all his doing
So the HH is in this case the mouse..(There is also this scene were the Head Hunter discovers the mouse in prison, who wants to escape through the fence, but gets stuck. The HH has this look on his face. The mouse reminds him of himself because he is also stuck and cannot escape.) See Na Chi Kook [Jung Ba Reums friend], was a prison guard, he has more rights as the prisoner HH and is more powerful (controls) in this place. But Jung Ba Reum reversed this roles, and makes the HH as the prisoner himself more powerful then the prison guard.
The roles in the terrarium are also reversed. The mouse is more powerful than the snake.
But after he affirmed to Park Du Seok, that he killed his daughter, he turned around and seemed very emotional. You could see it in his look.
And also: Does somebody know, if Dr. Lee was still in England as the mice were sent in the package? When he was there, the mice couldn't have come from Korea or another country, because they wouldn't have survived in such a package for long and there are customs examinations.. They must have been send from England.. And it seems he has a lost brother, who he was searching (Ep. 1)..
His sister was murdered from the HH, because she didn't want the baby..Maybe it was a lie, that she aborted. When the HH was working in Korea that time and she stayed in England. When he had a busy schedule as a young doctor, it could have meant he didn't discovered her pregnancy.
And when the HH could go out of prison this time..Maybe there were more times..
Also he had a cellphone in prison..Maybe he is the founder of the HH Fan club..
And also I am more suspecious of Hong Joo..
Didn't expect that. When a brain transplant really is added...I'm really curious, how it turns out!:)
I think the aunt is hiding something. I really hope that Ba Reum was the good guy before and is now fighting against his new dark side (duality).
But it would also make sense, when he was the bad guy before, and now because of the surgery has empathy and so can in the end feel the grief and regret about his former actions, when he learns the truth...
My first guess was Yo Han, then the priest Ko Moo Won and now, I don't wanna believe it, Jung Ba Reum.. (The prison doctor is suspicious too. ) But one think let me drop, that Ba Reum is the perpetrator: Remember, when they investigated the case in his house and the priest came to deliver the food.. He told him to lie about the fact, that he made the food. But Jung Bareums way to lie was too obvious. I mean, when he was lying about his personality all the time, wouldn't that be a nothing him. But it seemed that he really can't lie.. Look at his gesture and mimical expressions..Or was he too absorbed in his role? I mean it wouldn't matter in this situation..
And the murder of Daniel Lee. It was to obvious.. I mean.. when it really would be Yo Han.. Why letting the ferris wheel light on (only because of that, the person in charge saw that) and doesn't remove the chaos in the gondola..And then the most stupid thing: Let the car of Daniel Lee standing in front of this park, so that the police can lead that back to him. I mean, why make the trouble to get rid of the body, when everything was so clear to trace back?
Maybe Daniel Lee was working together with Yo Han and to investigating the case (and to disappear from the murderers radar) he must vanish.. It was a great amount of blood, but when you take a little blood from the same person over some time, you have this amount and the person should be fine. (I saw this in another movie.) Yo Han is a doctor..It should be no problem for him
And another thing: Na Chi Kook, the friend ofJung Ba Reum, is still alive, after the culprit tried to kill him. If Yo Han is the killer, wouldn't he want to eliminate the witness. He was the operating surgeon, right? He saved his life. But he wanted to kill Bar Reum in the hospital, but failed of some circumstances.
And in the flashback, from five years ago: The more his stepfather beats him up the more he gets a violent behavior. Firstly Jae Hoon hurts himself, when he is angry. But after the father does that to him, that changes. The two things he hates the most are chatterboxes and people, who are lying. In the police interrogation he says he doesn't kill them and saw nothing. The polygraph shows nothing unusual. Daniel Lee suspected he deceived the polygraph because he is a psychopath. But would Jae Hoon go over his principles to lie. As his younger brother, his father and the teacher asked him, why he was doing this cruel things to the animals, he didn't lie and spoke the truth. And the father was clearly falling from the stairs, as he was murdered. They want to make us believe that he killed him. If that's the case, he didn't lie to the polygraph.
But who was it then?
Two other things that I noticed: His younger sister acted some kind of strange.
He told his younger brother, he shouldn't take about the ammonia. As the father asked and the younger brother couldn't answer, the little sister came to help and repeated the whole conversation, although she was playing that time. She didn't broke the promise so. Very clever!
And as he was beaten up by his stepfather, the younger brother was crying at one side, and the girl was smiling at the other. Strange...
And I can't tell, if it is the HeadHunters wife in this scene..They want that we think so, but..
She is a florist . Shouldn't there be some flowers in the house? I mean, now in the present as Ko Moo Chi was visiting her, there was a amount of flowers very central positioned. But in the house from the past I saw one vase hidden. (As she was living with the Head Hunter she even had an own studio.. )
And Ba Reum friend Koo Dong Goo is writing a book about psychopathy and joined the HeadHunters Fan Club. And his great wish is to be a Regisseur ? Very suspicious ;)
I mean, the victims were chosen in medias. And than the life show with the priest... And sometimes when the culprit ist talking to himself, particularly when he killed the grandma, he seems like the protagonist of his own movie.
Ok, my first comment so wide. I hope it is understandable:)