This Show ist so incredible good:) Can't wait for new episodes! The first three episodes I was wondering why the lead actor seemed so familiar ... Then it turned out, it was Rain :D Really love him in this role...And of course Kim Bum too !
Have you watched We Best Love s1 and s2 and Word of Honor?
What???????? Word oh Honor has BL? :) Didn't know that. I saw the poster. Looks great! Has it such a vibe like 'The Untamed'? Loved this one! I saw We Best Love s1. I am so excited for the the second part!
I love this drama! Full of suspense and secrets. A real deal! To be honest, I was some kind of disappointed, as it was revealed that Kang Jin Mook was the culprit... I don't really know why..But it really moved on great!
who do you think remove the two tokens from the hanging woman?
Maybe it was only a hallucination of Bareum? He often had this. Like the noosebleed, he saw in the mirror, but in real it wasn't there. This was directly after the surgery.
So your conclusion is that there are two serial killers of the same age, right? One being the boy in the yellow…
Yeah, I know. Its really confusing:D
I saw Bareums flashback from episode 8: There he beats up the boxer. He was standing right in front of him. He saw it from his point of view.
In episode 10 he had another two flashbacks, when he is beating up the lawyer, who killed the women. In this flashback, he witnessed, from a broken window, how the grandma was killed. And in another point of view, behind the box ring , he also witnessed, how the boxer was killed. He was out of the box ring. That means he saw this shocking incident out of another angle.
That means in one thing, he is directly involved (beating the boxer), but in the killing he is standing aside. Its another person. Its filmed in other perspectives. What is that supposed to mean? Maybe he is not the killer..
When you see it like that: The kid in the yellow raincoat only enjoyed the fight and the killing as an observer. He never killed something or someone. The mouse killed the snake and the girl killed the mouse. In the killing he was an indirect involved. That could mean BaReum is the yellow raincoat kid. He observes the killing and another one does the dirty work.
So your conclusion is that there are two serial killers of the same age, right? One being the boy in the yellow…
Yeah, I think so. But Its true, the memories are some kind of confusing.:D
I supposed a long time, that the Crosskiller had a helper. Maybe like a teacher-pupil relationship. Two people committed the murders. And Bareum is involved...In which way and extent, I don't know. The murder of the Highschool girl, which was prepared like the murder of the boxer was staged for Bareum. But why? Maybe to make him remember? The second person, who was involved in the crosskiller murders found out about Bareums memory loss and wants now to affect him in some way. The police suspected a copycat killer... Why should someone roll up the murders again and draw the attention to the crosskiller ? I really think its the second involved person in the crosskiller murders, who does that act.
Hi:) After the episode, I drew a conclusion for myself:
First: We see HH wive in the hospital and as she was going through the hallway, our eyes catch a group of doctors and nurses: One of the nurses saw Headhunters wife and holds her baby bump. (She is the second pregnant woman, who HH wive met at the hospital, when she came from Dr. Lee.) This day ,after Headhunters wive witnessed the shocking event of how the mother of the later lawyer falling out of the window from the hospital and recognizing that the child pushed his own mother, her amniotic sac bursts. So HH wive and the second pregnant woman were in the same hospital. So switching the children would be possible. The possibility is even higher, because one of them is a nurse. But that would mean the other woman, must have had the baby on the same day. But we don't know that yet...
Another thing: The little boy in the yellow raincoat, who took the mouse. This mouse was also some kind of modified. The girl, who we think is the later reporter lady, smashed the mouse and affirms that the mouse is very aggressive..The mouse had also this operating scar on his head, like all the former mice, which the Headhunter operated. But how did the mouse came in front of the house of the little boy? How did the girl found him? Did she observed him?And how can the mouse be still alive? The HH is in prison, and that since five years. Either the mouse was this old, or the experiment was continued from another person. The girl, must have had access to the old laboratory of the HH and brought the mouse. But why showing this to the boy and giving that advice?
The HH still agrees to operating the brain transplantate? Why did he changed his mind?
I can only think of seven reasons:
1.) It impressed him that the politican kneeled in front of him. He felt like some kind of deity. He has this complex, so it would be possible. 2.) To Bareum he said: Opening the box of pandora. The HH is up to evil. Only he knows, how this brain transplantate turns out. The other people are to naive... He observes the play like some kind of experiment. 3.) He wanted, that his son Yo Han lives on in Bareum. 4.)He wanted to finally carry out a successful brain transplantate on a human being as his legacy. To prove his skills. 5.) He found out afterwards, that Bareum was his real son and wanted to let him survive. 6.) He negotiated another deal with the politican. 7.)He did it only to practice and to come out of prison. He also only operated on Chi Kook (Bareum's Friend) to exercise and because of excitement.
With what point do we go?
The is also a discussion, whether the yellow raincoat kid and the kid, who killed the bunny, are the same person. I don't think so. Let me tell you why. The kid in the yellow raincoat, felt thrilled and exited as he watched the mouse killing the snake or as the mouse was smashed by the girl. Did you noticed it? The snake was inferior to the mouse and the mouse was inferior to the girl. He enjoyed, how this animals fought for their live. It reminded me, on how the grandma was killed: The murderer said, he goes on hunting trips. He enjoys when his victims fight for their dear life. It disappointed him, that the grandma was so weak and couldn't do a great fight. I see some parallels the yellow raincoat kid. He has psychopath tendencies and was born this way.
In comparison, the other kid. He killed the animals to punish his father. The animals got the love, he wanted. The feeling of being different and that the other people see him this way, triggerd him. He felt misunderstood and alone.He was angry and reacted violent. The violent behavior started, since the father hit the boy.. Here I too see some parallels tho the Crosskiller: The Crosskiller murders were committed to punish the victims, for don't going against the deity. The murders rather happened out of principles and rage, as out of enjoyment. Because of the feeling of rage and jealousy, it could rather be a sociopath, who was made because of peoples reactions.
Yeah, he is clever enough to know, that it would kill the rabbit. He said, that he didn't intend to kill him.…
Thats a good question. I asked myself that all along ;)
The aunt from Ba Reum seems suspicious. She must know something. He never saw other photos from his childhood except the photo from him and his mom, when he was 100 days old. His aunt said, that she will bring the photos, but she replied kind a of strange.. And also as he asked about the bird...She didn't respond and distracted from that theme. Maybe she knows the truth and only want to protect him..
Ba Reum and Yo Han knew each other from Highschool. They had the same uniform, as Ba Reum and Chi Kook came to save him. So they should live in the same distract, near each other. That could ease the situation for the mother to monitor the switched child..
I also thought about the fact, that the mothers could have stayed friends and visited each other. So one of the mothers (Headhunters former wife) took the child of the deceased mother(who's husband was such a nice guy), who died early. So she had two boys now. The children were really young and nearly the same age. Maybe the relatives of the deceased woman or her husband wanted to take the child in, and because they hadn't seen him for a long time, they didn't know how he looks. (That would explain, why they hadn't other children photos, only one photo, when he was 100 days old..) So the Head Hunters wife kept the child of the deceased woman and gave her son away, but because she knew the family it was easy for her to monitor her child. Maybe so they stayed in contact ...So Ba Reums would be HH wives real son and Yo Han would be the child of the deceased woman.
Actually,in episode 1 though JH seems awkward but he was genuine in showing what he carries inside,it s normal…
Yeah, he is clever enough to know, that it would kill the rabbit. He said, that he didn't intend to kill him. He wanted to see, what's inside..But it could also mean, that the rabbit was dead beforehand. Did you see his strange look to the boy as he was going through the hallway. This intense gaze at his fellow classmate. That classmate was standing with two other boys at the corner .(maybe the "three musketeers2 Ba Reum and his two friends) All children were afraid and looked away, he also, but then he looked back once again and had this undefined look in his eyes and also the camera zoomed on his face. It reminded me, as the HeadHunter gazed to Ba Reum, as he was in the hallway with Chi Kook, his friend, in prison. Ba Reum looked shy away and then, after a short amount of time, gazed intensely back. Also at the stage, as the HeadHunter operated his friend, he gazed to him the same. They said that psychopaths recognized other fellows through the eyes. The HeadHunter may realized back than, that Jung Ba Reum was a psychopath. Back to Jaehoon(?) in the hallway. He may realized that the other kid was a same as he. Maybe he saw him killing the rabbit, and looked this strange, because he took the blame for killing the rabbit...
1.) The aunt said to Jung Ba Reum:" I made cheonggukjang, your favorite. What? You don't like the smell? Your palate has changed. You used to love cheonggukjang in the past."
Because of that, Jung Ba Reum asked his doctor, if he is now more sensitive of smells because of the surgery. The doctor denied it and then said, "But ..". We don't hear anymore, what he is saying and we only saw then how he is seeing off Jung Ba Reum and Oh Bong Yi arrives. Oh Bong Yi heard the talk of the HH and another person in front of Yo Han's bed in hospital and informed Bar Reum of that. They said: "To be still alive, after all he went through, proves his desire to live. It's bad, but we have no other choice. Anyway Jung Ba Reums surgery must me a success.".
Then he is convinced of the fact, that the HH gave him the brain transplantate of Yo Han. So the doctor in the hospital mus have mentioned it. They didn't show us this scene, but because of Ba Reum's reaction it could be possible. But the doctor was maybe misleading him. He couldn't have said the truth in front of Jung Ba Reum, so he mentioned something absurd like the brain transplant. Later on, as Ba Reums recognizes that he was lying about the fact, that he was the operating surgeon, the doctor called someone and said that Ba Reum suspects something.
Some connections? It could be nothing, but it got stuck in my head somehow...
2.) Yohan smells of mint..His mother said: "Thats a nice scent. You don't usually use products with scents."
First I thought Yohan uses this mint products because of the reporter lady Hong Joo...Because she maybe liked the smell...They were together, so I thought he did it for her, because he is in love..
Then I thought it's a hint, because mice hate the smell of mint. Some association to Ba Reum, who is very sensitive to this smell and recognized this smell in the crowd and at grandmas place... That Ba Reum symbolizes the mouse in this drama.
The talk between the HH and another man in the hospital was maybe misleading us. We thought, they said that, because Yo Han was fighting to survive. But they wanted to save Ba Reum first. The whole nation followed this operation and they saw Jung Ba Reum as a hero and so he was their first choice . But Yo Han was stable at that time. Or did they need to kill him, because of the brain transplantate? It could also mean... Maybe Yo Han was part of this experimental study too. He was also a doctor and we see that in his hospital something strange is going on... Or he found out about the secret experimental studies... Maybe the cross killer murders and the experimental studies are linked....Because of that Yo Han investigated the murders. Dr. Lee maybe also found out. Yo Han was also in the prison, where the HH is staying. He said he only wanted to meet his friend, the prison doctor, but maybe he knew what was going on with the HH and investigated it. So it could mean, the two men discussed about Yo Han's life, because he found it out, he investigated to much...He was a risk for their new test object Ba Reum.
Also the thing with the smell...He changed somehow and Ba Reum's sense of smell changed also drastic. Coincidence'? Maybe Yo Han was some kind involved in this secret experimental studies...as a subject or he came across it by mistake, because he was working in this hospital as a doctor.
The first three episodes I was wondering why the lead actor seemed so familiar ... Then it turned out, it was Rain :D Really love him in this role...And of course Kim Bum too !
I saw We Best Love s1. I am so excited for the the second part!
The fighting scenes with his teacher were so cooooooooollllllll!!!!!!
Full of suspense and secrets. A real deal!
To be honest, I was some kind of disappointed, as it was revealed that Kang Jin Mook was the culprit...
I don't really know why..But it really moved on great!
Im totally a fan of Nubsib. Their meeting in the casting audition was superb! This chemistry!
But you are right, for the plot of the drama, it would be more thrilling when someone really was there. Lee Min Soo is a good suspect for that.:D
I saw Bareums flashback from episode 8: There he beats up the boxer. He was standing right in front of him. He saw it from his point of view.
In episode 10 he had another two flashbacks, when he is beating up the lawyer, who killed the women. In this flashback, he witnessed, from a broken window, how the grandma was killed. And in another point of view, behind the box ring , he also witnessed, how the boxer was killed. He was out of the box ring. That means he saw this shocking incident out of another angle.
That means in one thing, he is directly involved (beating the boxer), but in the killing he is standing aside. Its another person.
Its filmed in other perspectives.
What is that supposed to mean?
Maybe he is not the killer..
When you see it like that:
The kid in the yellow raincoat only enjoyed the fight and the killing as an observer. He never killed something or someone. The mouse killed the snake and the girl killed the mouse. In the killing he was an indirect involved.
That could mean BaReum is the yellow raincoat kid. He observes the killing and another one does the dirty work.
Sounds strange? Makes sense?
What do you mean?:)
I supposed a long time, that the Crosskiller had a helper. Maybe like a teacher-pupil relationship. Two people committed the murders. And Bareum is involved...In which way and extent, I don't know.
The murder of the Highschool girl, which was prepared like the murder of the boxer was staged for Bareum. But why? Maybe to make him remember? The second person, who was involved in the crosskiller murders found out about Bareums memory loss and wants now to affect him in some way. The police suspected a copycat killer...
Why should someone roll up the murders again and draw the attention to the crosskiller ? I really think its the second involved person in the crosskiller murders, who does that act.
After the episode, I drew a conclusion for myself:
First: We see HH wive in the hospital and as she was going through the hallway, our eyes catch a group of doctors and nurses: One of the nurses saw Headhunters wife and holds her baby bump. (She is the second pregnant woman, who HH wive met at the hospital, when she came from Dr. Lee.) This day ,after Headhunters wive witnessed the shocking event of how the mother of the later lawyer falling out of the window from the hospital and recognizing that the child pushed his own mother, her amniotic sac bursts.
So HH wive and the second pregnant woman were in the same hospital. So switching the children would be possible. The possibility is even higher, because one of them is a nurse. But that would mean the other woman, must have had the baby on the same day. But we don't know that yet...
Another thing: The little boy in the yellow raincoat, who took the mouse. This mouse was also some kind of modified. The girl, who we think is the later reporter lady, smashed the mouse and affirms that the mouse is very aggressive..The mouse had also this operating scar on his head, like all the former mice, which the Headhunter operated. But how did the mouse came in front of the house of the little boy? How did the girl found him? Did she observed him?And how can the mouse be still alive? The HH is in prison, and that since five years. Either the mouse was this old, or the experiment was continued from another person. The girl, must have had access to the old laboratory of the HH and brought the mouse. But why showing this to the boy and giving that advice?
The HH still agrees to operating the brain transplantate?
Why did he changed his mind?
I can only think of seven reasons:
1.) It impressed him that the politican kneeled in front of him. He felt like some kind of deity. He has this complex, so it would be possible.
2.) To Bareum he said: Opening the box of pandora. The HH is up to evil. Only he knows, how this brain transplantate turns out. The other people are to naive... He observes the play like some kind of experiment.
3.) He wanted, that his son Yo Han lives on in Bareum.
4.)He wanted to finally carry out a successful brain transplantate on a human being as his legacy. To prove his skills.
5.) He found out afterwards, that Bareum was his real son and wanted to let him survive.
6.) He negotiated another deal with the politican.
7.)He did it only to practice and to come out of prison.
He also only operated on Chi Kook (Bareum's Friend) to exercise and because of excitement.
With what point do we go?
The is also a discussion, whether the yellow raincoat kid and the kid, who killed the bunny, are the same person. I don't think so.
Let me tell you why.
The kid in the yellow raincoat, felt thrilled and exited as he watched the mouse killing the snake or as the mouse was smashed by the girl. Did you noticed it? The snake was inferior to the mouse and the mouse was inferior to the girl. He enjoyed, how this animals fought for their live. It reminded me, on how the grandma was killed: The murderer said, he goes on hunting trips. He enjoys when his victims fight for their dear life. It disappointed him, that the grandma was so weak and couldn't do a great fight. I see some parallels the yellow raincoat kid. He has psychopath tendencies and was born this way.
In comparison, the other kid.
He killed the animals to punish his father. The animals got the love, he wanted. The feeling of being different and that the other people see him this way, triggerd him. He felt misunderstood and alone.He was angry and reacted violent. The violent behavior started, since the father hit the boy.. Here I too see some parallels tho the Crosskiller: The Crosskiller murders were committed to punish the victims, for don't going against the deity. The murders rather happened out of principles and rage, as out of enjoyment. Because of the feeling of rage and jealousy, it could rather be a sociopath, who was made because of peoples reactions.
Yeah, that was it...:D
The aunt from Ba Reum seems suspicious. She must know something. He never saw other photos from his childhood except the photo from him and his mom, when he was 100 days old. His aunt said, that she will bring the photos, but she replied kind a of strange..
And also as he asked about the bird...She didn't respond and distracted from that theme. Maybe she knows the truth and only want to protect him..
Ba Reum and Yo Han knew each other from Highschool. They had the same uniform, as Ba Reum and Chi Kook came to save him. So they should live in the same distract, near each other.
That could ease the situation for the mother to monitor the switched child..
I also thought about the fact, that the mothers could have stayed friends and visited each other. So one of the mothers (Headhunters former wife) took the child of the deceased mother(who's husband was such a nice guy), who died early. So she had two boys now. The children were really young and nearly the same age. Maybe the relatives of the deceased woman or her husband wanted to take the child in, and because they hadn't seen him for a long time, they didn't know how he looks. (That would explain, why they hadn't other children photos, only one photo, when he was 100 days old..) So the Head Hunters wife kept the child of the deceased woman and gave her son away, but because she knew the family it was easy for her to monitor her child. Maybe so they stayed in contact ...So Ba Reums would be HH wives real son and Yo Han would be the child of the deceased woman.
I don't know it at all :D
What do you think?
My imagination's running wild..
He said, that he didn't intend to kill him. He wanted to see, what's inside..But it could also mean, that the rabbit was dead beforehand.
Did you see his strange look to the boy as he was going through the hallway. This intense gaze at his fellow classmate. That classmate was standing with two other boys at the corner .(maybe the "three musketeers2 Ba Reum and his two friends) All children were afraid and looked away, he also, but then he looked back once again and had this undefined look in his eyes and also the camera zoomed on his face.
It reminded me, as the HeadHunter gazed to Ba Reum, as he was in the hallway with Chi Kook, his friend, in prison. Ba Reum looked shy away and then, after a short amount of time, gazed intensely back.
Also at the stage, as the HeadHunter operated his friend, he gazed to him the same.
They said that psychopaths recognized other fellows through the eyes. The HeadHunter may realized back than, that Jung Ba Reum was a psychopath.
Back to Jaehoon(?) in the hallway. He may realized that the other kid was a same as he. Maybe he saw him killing the rabbit, and looked this strange, because he took the blame for killing the rabbit...
Because of that, Jung Ba Reum asked his doctor, if he is now more sensitive of smells because of the surgery. The doctor denied it and then said, "But ..". We don't hear anymore, what he is saying and we only saw then how he is seeing off Jung Ba Reum and Oh Bong Yi arrives. Oh Bong Yi heard the talk of the HH and another person in front of Yo Han's bed in hospital and informed Bar Reum of that. They said: "To be still alive, after all he went through, proves his desire to live. It's bad, but we have no other choice. Anyway Jung Ba Reums surgery must me a success.".
Then he is convinced of the fact, that the HH gave him the brain transplantate of Yo Han. So the doctor in the hospital mus have mentioned it. They didn't show us this scene, but because of Ba Reum's reaction it could be possible. But the doctor was maybe misleading him. He couldn't have said the truth in front of Jung Ba Reum, so he mentioned something absurd like the brain transplant. Later on, as Ba Reums recognizes that he was lying about the fact, that he was the operating surgeon, the doctor called someone and said that Ba Reum suspects something.
Some connections?
It could be nothing, but it got stuck in my head somehow...
2.) Yohan smells of mint..His mother said: "Thats a nice scent. You don't usually use products with scents."
First I thought Yohan uses this mint products because of the reporter lady Hong Joo...Because she maybe liked the smell...They were together, so I thought he did it for her, because he is in love..
Then I thought it's a hint, because mice hate the smell of mint. Some association to Ba Reum, who is very sensitive to this smell and recognized this smell in the crowd and at grandmas place... That Ba Reum symbolizes the mouse in this drama.
The talk between the HH and another man in the hospital was maybe misleading us.
We thought, they said that, because Yo Han was fighting to survive. But they wanted to save Ba Reum first. The whole nation followed this operation and they saw Jung Ba Reum as a hero and so he was their first choice .
But Yo Han was stable at that time. Or did they need to kill him, because of the brain transplantate?
It could also mean...
Maybe Yo Han was part of this experimental study too. He was also a doctor and we see that in his hospital something strange is going on... Or he found out about the secret experimental studies...
Maybe the cross killer murders and the experimental studies are linked....Because of that Yo Han investigated the murders. Dr. Lee maybe also found out. Yo Han was also in the prison, where the HH is staying. He said he only wanted to meet his friend, the prison doctor, but maybe he knew what was going on with the HH and investigated it.
So it could mean, the two men discussed about Yo Han's life, because he found it out, he investigated to much...He was a risk for their new test object Ba Reum.
Also the thing with the smell...He changed somehow and Ba Reum's sense of smell changed also drastic. Coincidence'? Maybe Yo Han was some kind involved in this secret experimental studies...as a subject or he came across it by mistake, because he was working in this hospital as a doctor.