I had some sympathy for him initially, but the way he let his nasty manservant (I hate that guy) influence him and kept making the situation worse and worse instead of dealing with Pan'er honestly after she made her three demands, and the way he started to scheme and manipulate the Gao family's daughter when his advantageous marriage fell through was really low.
I think he may get a redemption arc in the end, but it looks like he'll become a villain first.
(That said, I gotta say I admire his quick thinking in realising as soon as he met the emperor that he was into a bunch of Taoist woo-woo, expertly getting into his good graces by pretending to be a fervent Taoist, and getting a position that, while it put him at odds with most scholar-officials, who despise the emperor's entourage of eunuchs, shamans, and assorted toadies, made him a favourite of the emperor's.)
Just curious, is the FL formerly a prostitute? yknow one that provides *sexual services*? from what i understand…
She was a performer in a government brothel, which means that technically she was a sex worker, but she notes in episode 1 that she left the brothel at 16 and never provided sexual services.
That said, it was not uncommon for women in that profession to have sex with patrons and she is treated by the public as a former sex worker. Also, as we see in her dealings with Zhou She, she knows how to seduce men, which means that she probably entertained and flirted with patrons as a brothel dancer and musician regardless of whether she had sex with them or not.
In the original Chinese opera, her character is a courtesan or former courtesan (I don't remember exactly) who has definitely slept with patrons, but I suppose the drama would be considered too scandalous for the Chinese public if that detail carried over to the adaptation, so they made sure early on to reassure the viewers that Pan'er is still a virgin. (Personally, I don't think it should matter to the audience if she's a virgin or not and wouldn't have judged her if she had slept with patrons, but as I said, the Chinese public and/or censors are probably too conservative to take that much female empowerment at once.)
Their friendship and characters are just so real and relatable in this drama. I've attempted to watch another…
Yeah, on the subject of overbearing and meddlesome friends, I'm glad Pan'er's friends are not constantly butting into her business for plot-related reasons. When Sanniang said "if you don't want to talk about you and GQF, I won't make you, but let's talk about our friendship," I really appreciated her maturity and respect for Pan'er's privacy.
The mindset of some international fans when it comes to Asian entertainment will never cease to make me wonder…
I agree superficial, backwards and offensive commentary abounds on MDL, but most of the people you're criticising are not American, so I don't know why you expect them to comment on TV shows like Americans. This is a very international platform.
Not sure. It's evident that he really cares for his son. They have some past beef they need to sort out. He doesn't…
I agree with you that his concern for Qianfan is somewhat understandable, but I don’t think he has the right to meddle in his son’s affairs so ignorantly when he can’t even acknowledge they’re related in public. He has no right to act like a concerned patriarch after abandoning GQF and his mother.
Also he seems to be a corrupt and dangerous puppet master in the political arena, and GQF is on a secret mission to take him down.
I think they’ll be reconciled in the end, but there’s more that lies between them than just the issue of GQF’s marriage; it’s also Minister Xiao’s treatment of GQF’s mother, his refusal to acknowledge GQF, and his unprincipled political machinations. So I expect it will take a lot for GQF to forgive him and make peace with him. If I had to guess, I’d say Minister Xiao will see the error of his ways late in the game, die in a noble sacrifice for GQF, and leave GQF as his heir.
Because they're dancing around each other, but he's refusing to declare his interest in her. She's afraid the…
Officially, she was a courtesan even though she never had sex with clients. All women condemned to work in the government brothels have the same official designation. The fact that there are different duties one may perform in that profession and that Pan’er was still quite young when she was pardoned make it kind of obvious to anyone familiar with her history that she was not a sex worker, just like Yinzhang’s high level of musical proficiency marks her our as an artist rather than a sex worker, but again, it’s all the same profession in the eyes of the public. As you recall, Pan’er didn’t try to explain to GQF when they met that she never slept with a client; it was unnecessary because, while that was important to her pride, it was not something she could prove or get a certificate for. All that mattered was that she’d worked in the government brothels. That’s enough to taint a woman’s reputation for life because of the general presumption of sexual availability surrounding those institutions.
Now she’s a free woman because she received an official pardon, which is legally the same thing as her father’s name being cleared (although I’m sure it’s not going to be as simple as that once his identity comes to light). She can, in theory, marry anyone she likes. But her past is a mark against her if she wants to marry a member of the gentry/government official and her father’s status no longer has much bearing on that.
Of course, these are only obstacles if the man she likes is a coward like Ouyang Xu.
Because they're dancing around each other, but he's refusing to declare his interest in her. She's afraid the fact she's a former government courtesan and a woman in trade will mean a man like him (a promising young official from a good family--and she doesn't even know his real father is one of the most powerful men in the country yet) stands to lose his reputation by courting her properly, so their relationship will remain at the level of flirtatious friendship forever/she can never hope for a marriage.
This is a very reasonable fear on her part and I'm sure that GQF is thinking similar thoughts. Now that Ouyang Xu, who was originally his reason for not approaching Pan'er romantically, is out of the picture, GQF and ZP's relationship is suddenly ambiguous and full of potential that is both exciting and dangerous. Marrying ZP would be kind of a disaster for GQF career-wise, and now that we know he went into the Capital Security Office in order to take down Lei Jing and Minister Xiao, it's clear he is driven by a personal mission that I can't imagine him throwing away for love very easily. That said, I'm sure once GQF makes up his mind to pursue Pan'er, he won't waver like OYX did.
He is referring to Gu Shenyan - the adoptive father, not GQF’s biological father, Minister Xiao
I get the sense this guy doesn't know Qianfan is Minister Xiao's son, which is a big gap in his knowledge given that they're scheming against Minister Xiao!
Uh oh, I'm starting to suspect after the end of ep. 12 that Yinzhang will become a royal concubine. (There's a shot in the opening credits where she is wearing very elaborate clothes, possibly wedding robes, in something that looks like a palace.) If that happens, it will be a relief for me that her character is not being used as an obstacle to the main couple's relationship, but it probably bring her a lot of unhappiness. Especially if she develops feelings for the young scholar she saw at the music department.
im suprised people keep calling yinzhang an obstacle cause she the youngest out of them - probably just a teen,…
Sadly, there’s a shot of her looking heartbroken while wearing wedding robes (I think) in the opening credits, so she’ll probably experience more setbacks. I just hope her crush on GQF doesn’t get the full-blown melodrama treatment where she becomes obsessed with him, gains fame as a musician, he is forced to take her in as a concubine because of the political machinations of others (the Empress?) and SYZ eventually accepts he’ll never love her and tragically sacrifices herself for him and Pan’er. That’s what would happen in a regular historical romance, but I’m hoping the more female-centric focus here gives her a storyline as something other than a plot device/vehicle for the main couple’s relationship angst. A lighthearted romance with the palace guard would be nice.
Kim Young-kwang has a lot of charm and I think he'll match up well with Lee Sung-kyung, whom I'm excited to see in a mature romantic melodrama. I like melos about lonely people finding each other and I like revenge dramas, but I tend to think of them as two very different romantic subgenres, so I'm curious to see how they combine here.
Judge Di is such a classic character in Chinese literature, and Zhou Yi Wei is a great actor with a distinctive presence. If they add some political intrigue to the mix, this will be irresistible.
I like her for a long time, been watching her many romance movies, she’s one of the top veteran actress like…
Just because you choose to consume media from a country you know nothing about doesn’t mean other people aren’t allowed to form opinions on actors based on their political statements.
Don’t be so proud of your ignorance and don’t force it on others.
I think he may get a redemption arc in the end, but it looks like he'll become a villain first.
(That said, I gotta say I admire his quick thinking in realising as soon as he met the emperor that he was into a bunch of Taoist woo-woo, expertly getting into his good graces by pretending to be a fervent Taoist, and getting a position that, while it put him at odds with most scholar-officials, who despise the emperor's entourage of eunuchs, shamans, and assorted toadies, made him a favourite of the emperor's.)
That said, it was not uncommon for women in that profession to have sex with patrons and she is treated by the public as a former sex worker. Also, as we see in her dealings with Zhou She, she knows how to seduce men, which means that she probably entertained and flirted with patrons as a brothel dancer and musician regardless of whether she had sex with them or not.
In the original Chinese opera, her character is a courtesan or former courtesan (I don't remember exactly) who has definitely slept with patrons, but I suppose the drama would be considered too scandalous for the Chinese public if that detail carried over to the adaptation, so they made sure early on to reassure the viewers that Pan'er is still a virgin. (Personally, I don't think it should matter to the audience if she's a virgin or not and wouldn't have judged her if she had slept with patrons, but as I said, the Chinese public and/or censors are probably too conservative to take that much female empowerment at once.)
Also he seems to be a corrupt and dangerous puppet master in the political arena, and GQF is on a secret mission to take him down.
I think they’ll be reconciled in the end, but there’s more that lies between them than just the issue of GQF’s marriage; it’s also Minister Xiao’s treatment of GQF’s mother, his refusal to acknowledge GQF, and his unprincipled political machinations. So I expect it will take a lot for GQF to forgive him and make peace with him. If I had to guess, I’d say Minister Xiao will see the error of his ways late in the game, die in a noble sacrifice for GQF, and leave GQF as his heir.
Now she’s a free woman because she received an official pardon, which is legally the same thing as her father’s name being cleared (although I’m sure it’s not going to be as simple as that once his identity comes to light). She can, in theory, marry anyone she likes. But her past is a mark against her if she wants to marry a member of the gentry/government official and her father’s status no longer has much bearing on that.
Of course, these are only obstacles if the man she likes is a coward like Ouyang Xu.
This is a very reasonable fear on her part and I'm sure that GQF is thinking similar thoughts. Now that Ouyang Xu, who was originally his reason for not approaching Pan'er romantically, is out of the picture, GQF and ZP's relationship is suddenly ambiguous and full of potential that is both exciting and dangerous. Marrying ZP would be kind of a disaster for GQF career-wise, and now that we know he went into the Capital Security Office in order to take down Lei Jing and Minister Xiao, it's clear he is driven by a personal mission that I can't imagine him throwing away for love very easily. That said, I'm sure once GQF makes up his mind to pursue Pan'er, he won't waver like OYX did.
I'm looking forward to this!
Don’t be so proud of your ignorance and don’t force it on others.