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If you studied literature then you should know that this is not what's meant by "nonlinear storytelling." Nonlinear means that scenes from the past, present and future are cut up and revealed non-chronologically. What we saw in this show was simply one piece of information being delayed until the final act.

There is no formal literary term applied to the practice of "delaying one piece of vital information" because delaying information is an amateur mistake. If you doubt that this is an amateur's mistake, then check out the author's bio, because you'll find that this is his first and only screenplay.

Thank you. But even if it's been around 5-6 years, I am still wondering if he told his other lovers he had HIV during those 5-6 years. Based on LGBT's insistence on honesty about one's sexual past, and the character's insistence on using condoms, I am going to assume that yes, he did tell them.

Thank you! I'm looking forward to your comment. I wish MDL had a tagging feature so you could let me know when you leave it, but I'll just have to remember your name "ioadrak."

Waiting until Ep 5 of an 8 Ep show to reveal crucial character information is a cheap way for a writer to try to inject energy into the last act. Of course, a screenplay like "The Sixth Sense" intentionally kept an aspect of the character a secret until the end, but when the audience finally got that info, we knew precisely why the writer made us wait. Indeed, the audience was glad it was kept a secret because it ADDED to the character's impact. Nothing, however, is added by delaying information in this screenplay. It's strictly amateur stuff.

All it tells to a discerning audience is that this is the author's first and only screenplay. Just peruse a few books on how to write a screenplay and you'll find that this sort of thing is regarded as a mistake and would be duly corrected by film editors, the director or the producer.

I gather that it does not bother some of you and, hey, that's cool. But as someone who both writes and teaches writing, this drove me bonkers! I've heard that the novel feels more professional. Has anyone here read the novel? If so, can you tell me if it also delays information about the character's HIV until the final act?

At the end of Ep 5, the lead tells his new bartender boyfriend that he has had HIV since 2014. Now, the show is set in the contemporary year of 2024, which means he's had it for 10 years. That means, by extension, that the character had HIV back when the action of the show began (ie, back when he was still in college). So why the hell did the writer make the audience wait 5 episodes to reveal this?

If it was his attempt to add a plot twist or climax after 5 hours of an 8 hour show, then it was highly amateur and did not work. In fact, all that was added by making the audience wait to learn this was that we now have the new question of whether or not the lead has been sleeping with guys for 10 years without telling them, or if he had been telling them, but it happened off camera such that the audience just didn't see it.

Can someone explain the timeline? Because I don't know if I missed something, or if this is just poorly structured. See more specific question under spoiler.

Thanks for your reply. And keep strong, because the world is a much more welcoming place for people with disabilities than it used to be. My country, America, passed the National Disabilities Act about 40 years ago, and many other countries also started to become more supportive to people with disabilities.

Yep. It was the same with American Hollywood celebs in the old days. Movies were packed with coded, queerbaiting imagery, and that was fine if it turned a profit, but few had the courage to speak up for gay rights. I must give Elizabeth Taylor credit for her work with gay rights in the early 80's. Before her, there were bigots calling for Rock Hudson to be fired from a show because he had AIDS. I'm old enough to remember how few celebs had the courage to speak up back then and it really took courage to do so.

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This show's been getting tons of attention in Korea. It's gotten support, but also faced a backlash from conservative groups who protested to cancel the show, claiming that its "glamorization and promotion" of homosexuality would "significantly affect children." Some even showed up outside the Ministry of Culture in Sejong City to accuse the government of funding dramas that "normalize and glorify homosexuality." The American gay rights movement faced a similar backlash in the 80's and, happily, LGBT won that battle, just as I think it will in Korea.

That's a good point, because American kids are definitely overprotected and spoiled. Nobody but an actual parent is allowed to hit a child here. But even if it's legal, it still has to be very mild and something the parent does in a controlled manner, rather than losing their tempers and just lashing out at the child. But nowadays there are even cases where a parent merely taps a kid, and the kid will call the cops and say their parents are "committing child abuse." So it's one extreme or the other,

But I've seen teachers hitting kids in tons of Korean productions with more recent settings too. I saw it in one of my favorite movies, "Night Flight." The teacher just casually smacks the kids' heads as if it were perfectly normal to do this. Well, someone said this was outlawed in 2021, so that's good.

Then that makes the list 5 BL's with deaf characters. I don't think that's enough to call it "cliched." However, it's enough to make me wonder why writers choose this particular disability over all others. I came up with one theory (see my above comment), but maybe there are other reasons for it too.

Yep! I could not recall the name because it's listed mostly under its Portuguese title, "Hoje Eu Quero Voltar Sozinho."

Thanks so much for knowing what I was talking about, lol

May I ask what country you are from?

Wait, does that also feature a deaf character?

True enough, but it would be interesting to see other disabilities and not just deafness. That was my point. For instance, there's a BL about a blind boy from some Latin American country (I can't recall the title), and that was quite compelling. Blind people, like people in wheelchairs, need more aid navigating life than deaf people do and I suppose that makes it harder to write roles for them. Deafness, on the other hand, must appeal to BL writers because it's not much different than creating an able-bodied character.

BL world is certainly smitten with deafness as a trope. I've now seen it 4 times: "I Hear Sunspot," "Moonlight Chicken," "100 Degrees Celsius" and now this one, "See Your Love." It's interesting to see characters with a disability but, dang, there are disabilities other than just deafness.

FYI, "100 Degrees Celsius" is the best of the bunch. It's a short K-BL and stars an adorable actor who's deaf in real life.

Well, thank god it finally became outlawed! I thought it was still going on.

It's only Ep 1 and yet I've already seen a teacher beating students. I've seen sooooo many Korean shows/movies depicting sadistic teachers that I must conclude they truly are like this. It's shocking to me as an American, because a teacher here would not only lose his job for hitting a student (ie, a minor), he'd also be arrested and charged with assault and with child abuse. He'd be tried and sent to prison. Yet Korean shows portray teachers beating the shit out of high school kids as if it were nothing.

Like I said in my comment, I'm only on episode 2. And so far she's been cool. But from your reply, it sounds like she became an irresponsible friend in the later episodes. That's a shame.