A small random wish I have is that we (and Kurosawa) see Adachi drawing... and/or Kurosawa sees some of his art. I love that little personality detail they added with all of his art supplies in his apartment + him drawing in the opening, so I just wanna see more~
I was satisfied with the ending and then the credits rolled and THAT ending left me so confused... I don't think I like that ending... Is this a grief metaphor about her dead parents? She didn't even react when her mom disappeared. Or did Seo Yoon lose/get caught in the past and now is stuck in that house? But when Yeong Sook woke up on the ground Seo Yoon's mom's body wasn't there... so they... got out? Ahhh I don't know. I know it's an open-to-interpretation-ending but I'd really like answers lol
I would like to answer if you don't mind!For your first point: It was on purpose we were not allowed to hear Kurosawa's…
I'm not deliberately misunderstanding you, I'm responding to what you have posted so far. Your original post went:
"the total lack of a physical element to Kurasawa's attraction to Adachi takes me out of the story a bit sometimes." "When you're attracted to someone, you have thoughts you can't control (or have to struggle to control), and that's the point of of Adachi being able to read minds."
I responded to those comments, as well as your thoughts about Adachi's powers being dropped, pointing out that the show actually is showing us how Kurosawa is physically and emotionally attracted to Adachi. I ALSO responded to your sweeping generalization about what constitutes as "romantic love", since it very plainly excluded asexual people's identities. I did not misunderstand you saying "love (as opposed to romance, which is actions generated by feelings) does have to contain sexual thoughts, or it isn't romantic love, it's friendship or family." When I pointed out what was wrong with what you were saying, you replied with a gripe about political correctness. I don't think being upset about such behavior makes me "smugly rude", but no matter you can hold whatever opinion of me you like.
You could have simply said to begin with "having different standards for queer sex and heteronormative sex is discrimination" to which I agree, but you didn't. What you did say, primarily about political correctness when I brought up asexual people, is what upset me. All other comments you made were answered by me and other people in this comment chain.
I'd also like to bring up that you aren't taking into account the countries and channels these shows are airing on. I'm not saying they're blameless, but it is something to consider. They all have different ideas about intimacy and what's ok to show on tv for both LGBT+ and straight couples alike. 2gether had problems yes, and it's because GMMTV (their channel) is often like this with kisses because they wish to keep an earlier time slot for more views. Nobody found this ok because a kiss shouldn't change the rating, and told them so, and they came out with Still2gether which did better. However this isn't what happens with all Thai BLs, and depending on the rating and channel and source material you will get different levels of intimacy shown.
For Japan, I'm sure you're aware that their yaoi/bl manga often falls into bad tropes since the origins of the genre was for women to fetishize gay relationships. The bl genre isn't completely like this, it's grown a lot over time and I have found many good series that provide good rep without those tropes, but still the industry can at times lean towards thinking "this is how it's done". This is a primary example of what I said: "sex doesn't always mean better rep" - sometimes it makes it worse depending on how they present it. Japan also has different ideas about PDA in general, compared to the West.
There needs to be a balance when considering these things. "Is this a cultural thing that applies to all sexualities or is this something they're making only apply to LGBT+ couples?" We can't just barge in with our Western ideas and demand they match them.
This show has done an amazing job avoiding all those tropes while still indicating that Kurosawa is physically attracted to Adachi, while making a show that is actually good representation and working towards setting a new standard for what makes a good bl in Japan's eyes. I don't find what they're doing as "desexualizing" gay men at all.
Anyways, I answered your questions plainly, and even addressed your new point. I'm done responding to you after this, because this comment section is usually so positive and nice and I'd like to keep it that way.
I would like to answer if you don't mind!For your first point: It was on purpose we were not allowed to hear Kurosawa's…
Yeah it's unfortunate how rare it is to see a canon ace character anywhere :( Fujisaki being an aro (possibly also ace) character was a pleasant surprise! But yeah as for an ace main BL character in a drama.... I personally have yet to find one, but it'd be amazing if one day they do it!
I would like to answer if you don't mind!For your first point: It was on purpose we were not allowed to hear Kurosawa's…
"asexual people exist" "can we avoid the PC please" I- really? Are you for real right now? You're acting like you want better/more equal representation for LGBT+ people - because apparently sex means better rep - and then complain about political correctness when people bring up other LGBT+ identities. It's not a political statement to bring up asexual people, or any LGBT+ identity for that matter. Your statement was entirely dismissive of asexual people's experiences and I'm not wrong to point that out.
Also they're in 90% of BLs? I don't know what BLs you've been watching but there has yet to be a single canon asexual main character in a BL. The grand majority of LGBT+ shows I've watched have shown in some capacity, or implied at the very least, that the main couple have sex - how much is shown of course depending on the rating.
All in all, this show is doing amazing things for representation. I'm sorry Kurosawa not being shown having wild sexual fantasies about Adachi all the time disappoints you and somehow makes their love seem less real to you.
I would like to answer if you don't mind!For your first point: It was on purpose we were not allowed to hear Kurosawa's…
"love (as opposed to romance, which is actions generated by feelings) does have to contain sexual thoughts, or it isn't romantic love, it's friendship or family." I would just like to note that asexual people exist, and do fall in love - romantic love - and do not need/have sex with their partner. To think it's not real love if there's no sex/sexual thoughts is ignorant.
Besides, we literally hear Kurosawa losing it over Adachi's mole saying it's so sexy. Being pressed up against Adachi in the elevator makes his heart pound like crazy and he thinks basically "there's no way I could keep being this lucky today right?". Kissing Adachi's forehead was complicated for him because "I don't want to touch Adachi like that" aka in a way where they're forced it as opposed to mutually, but he admits he'd be lying to himself if he pretended he wasn't a little happy he got to kiss Adachi, albeit on the forehead. When he falls on top of Adachi by accident his heart is pounding like crazy and scolds himself for getting flustered for being in such a position since Adachi is sick. Bottom line is, Adachi doesn't have to see some kinda super sexy reel of himself for us to know that Kurosawa is emotionally and physically attracted to Adachi.
The mind reading ability plotline hasn't been dropped, but this last episode was, in majority, from Kurosawa's POV so of course we aren't going to get it. And in the end his feelings when Adachi confessed were too much to be communicated in words when they hugged which was a really nice touch in my opinion. In episode 6 though we did see Adachi reading more thoughts: like noticing Kurosawa was flustered on top of him, when Kurosawa was jealous, and when Rokkaku was down about his lost dancing dream, so it's only been an episode since they came into play. I'm certain they'll be back on their date next episode anyways.
Adachi is working so hard to reach out to Kurosawa and not play with his feeling what is that person on tw saying?…
Yeah I agree. I just wish the audience would extend understanding for both parties when things get hard... Obviously we all feel for Kurosawa but that doesn't mean we have to turn against Adachi who is doing his best. We can empathize with both!
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"the total lack of a physical element to Kurasawa's attraction to Adachi takes me out of the story a bit sometimes." "When you're attracted to someone, you have thoughts you can't control (or have to struggle to control), and that's the point of of Adachi being able to read minds."
I responded to those comments, as well as your thoughts about Adachi's powers being dropped, pointing out that the show actually is showing us how Kurosawa is physically and emotionally attracted to Adachi. I ALSO responded to your sweeping generalization about what constitutes as "romantic love", since it very plainly excluded asexual people's identities. I did not misunderstand you saying "love (as opposed to romance, which is actions generated by feelings) does have to contain sexual thoughts, or it isn't romantic love, it's friendship or family." When I pointed out what was wrong with what you were saying, you replied with a gripe about political correctness. I don't think being upset about such behavior makes me "smugly rude", but no matter you can hold whatever opinion of me you like.
You could have simply said to begin with "having different standards for queer sex and heteronormative sex is discrimination" to which I agree, but you didn't. What you did say, primarily about political correctness when I brought up asexual people, is what upset me. All other comments you made were answered by me and other people in this comment chain.
I'd also like to bring up that you aren't taking into account the countries and channels these shows are airing on. I'm not saying they're blameless, but it is something to consider. They all have different ideas about intimacy and what's ok to show on tv for both LGBT+ and straight couples alike.
2gether had problems yes, and it's because GMMTV (their channel) is often like this with kisses because they wish to keep an earlier time slot for more views. Nobody found this ok because a kiss shouldn't change the rating, and told them so, and they came out with Still2gether which did better. However this isn't what happens with all Thai BLs, and depending on the rating and channel and source material you will get different levels of intimacy shown.
For Japan, I'm sure you're aware that their yaoi/bl manga often falls into bad tropes since the origins of the genre was for women to fetishize gay relationships. The bl genre isn't completely like this, it's grown a lot over time and I have found many good series that provide good rep without those tropes, but still the industry can at times lean towards thinking "this is how it's done". This is a primary example of what I said: "sex doesn't always mean better rep" - sometimes it makes it worse depending on how they present it. Japan also has different ideas about PDA in general, compared to the West.
There needs to be a balance when considering these things. "Is this a cultural thing that applies to all sexualities or is this something they're making only apply to LGBT+ couples?" We can't just barge in with our Western ideas and demand they match them.
This show has done an amazing job avoiding all those tropes while still indicating that Kurosawa is physically attracted to Adachi, while making a show that is actually good representation and working towards setting a new standard for what makes a good bl in Japan's eyes. I don't find what they're doing as "desexualizing" gay men at all.
Anyways, I answered your questions plainly, and even addressed your new point. I'm done responding to you after this, because this comment section is usually so positive and nice and I'd like to keep it that way.
Also they're in 90% of BLs? I don't know what BLs you've been watching but there has yet to be a single canon asexual main character in a BL. The grand majority of LGBT+ shows I've watched have shown in some capacity, or implied at the very least, that the main couple have sex - how much is shown of course depending on the rating.
All in all, this show is doing amazing things for representation. I'm sorry Kurosawa not being shown having wild sexual fantasies about Adachi all the time disappoints you and somehow makes their love seem less real to you.
Besides, we literally hear Kurosawa losing it over Adachi's mole saying it's so sexy. Being pressed up against Adachi in the elevator makes his heart pound like crazy and he thinks basically "there's no way I could keep being this lucky today right?". Kissing Adachi's forehead was complicated for him because "I don't want to touch Adachi like that" aka in a way where they're forced it as opposed to mutually, but he admits he'd be lying to himself if he pretended he wasn't a little happy he got to kiss Adachi, albeit on the forehead. When he falls on top of Adachi by accident his heart is pounding like crazy and scolds himself for getting flustered for being in such a position since Adachi is sick. Bottom line is, Adachi doesn't have to see some kinda super sexy reel of himself for us to know that Kurosawa is emotionally and physically attracted to Adachi.
The mind reading ability plotline hasn't been dropped, but this last episode was, in majority, from Kurosawa's POV so of course we aren't going to get it. And in the end his feelings when Adachi confessed were too much to be communicated in words when they hugged which was a really nice touch in my opinion. In episode 6 though we did see Adachi reading more thoughts: like noticing Kurosawa was flustered on top of him, when Kurosawa was jealous, and when Rokkaku was down about his lost dancing dream, so it's only been an episode since they came into play. I'm certain they'll be back on their date next episode anyways.