He put on a great show with those crocodile tears. He fumbled it when he said "I am star Kim Soohyun".
Also.. how disgusting to deny the facts and then proceed to announce a lawsuit against the victim's family. The "evidence" he presented was a bogus text analysis that just said his text messages then (2015-2016) and now seemed to be written by different people. lmaoo who is buying that shit?
You can fake pictures, but you can't fake chats on the phone that a forensic can find. They handed in the phone…
We don't know that, it's rich of us to speak on her behalf.. saying what she was feeling or what her "last drop" was. The only thing we know for certain is the text messages from a year or so ago when she said that he (and GM) are "killing her" (her own words, when talking about the debt and them not answering her).
You can fake pictures, but you can't fake chats on the phone that a forensic can find. They handed in the phone…
to get access to her phone maybe? lol. to find out exactly what KSR went through to get to a point where she made an extreme choice? if it was my relative, or even one of my friends, i'd be very curious about that
Drama lovers in this comment section are too far up KSH's ass to actually see the bigger picture of what happened. I get second-hand embarrassment. I bet yall are the same people who always criticize the FL in dramas, nit-pick her acting, looks, clothes, the way she speaks. But the male can never do no wrong. I pity you women, please raise your standards for men... don't be a doormat.
You guys keep bringing up that we should wait until the court deems him a criminal. Are you guys okay? The woman is dead and can't sue him, the parents could TRY (depending on the domestic laws), but this is not about legal justice. If there is a video of KSH talking like a misogynist while filming a mannequin in underwear, is this against the law? NO. Is it absolutely disgusting and worth cancelling? HELL YES. Why do you guys support misogynistic behavior just because it hasn't been deemed misogynistic in court? (Which would be impossible by the way, there is no law against misogyny)
Wasn't that shown already that, at least, the screenshot of messages was a fake one?! The emoji used there, a…
You can fake pictures, but you can't fake chats on the phone that a forensic can find. They handed in the phone to a forensic, so at this point I would 100% believe they are real, unless proven otherwise.
It is very doubtful that Kim. Sae Won was in a relationship with. Kim Soo Hyun. KSW has been troubled for many…
His side literally confirmed they were in a relationship, after first denying it (lying about it). They just changed it to say that they started dating the summer of 2019.
Ok, after giving all this some more thought...I'm trying to work out the logistics/chronology/timescale of their…
Honestly I have no idea how KSR lived, so I won't claim this to be the case, but.. Many celebrities in Korea start living on their own at a very young age. They have managers and other staff who help out, depending on the company rules. Even though celebrities appear busy with projects, they still can find time to date and meet in the night or evenings. Even if someone lives at home with their family, they can meet their partner at night in other places.. you know how teenagers are when it comes to sneaking out and being rebellious. Actors are usually busy for a couple of months during filming and promotions, but then get some free time between projects.
I doubt they used email to communicate... it was ~2015 not 2005 lol.
Ok, after giving all this some more thought...I'm trying to work out the logistics/chronology/timescale of their…
Honestly I have no idea how KSR lives, so I won't claim this to be the case, but.. Many celebrities in Korea start living on their own at a very young age. They have managers and other staff who help out, depending on the company rules. Even though celebrities appear busy with projects, they still can find time to date and meet in the night or evenings. Even if someone lives at home with their family, they can meet their partner at night in other places.. you know how teenagers are when it comes to sneaking out and being rebellious. Actors are usually busy for a couple of months during filming and promotions, but then get some free time between projects.
I doubt they used email to communicate... it was ~2015 not 2005 lol.
grooming does not need to have sexual relationship, the fact that he waited for her to become adult says more…
I've seen Hidden Love, but never the grooming debate.. it is probably my favorite cdrama. I really don't see any grooming at all going on in that one. The ML didn't show ANY signs of liking her or leading her on when she was younger, he was simply just friendly to her as her brother's best friend. And even though the discourse seems to have been big? This drama is still VERY popular and well-liked, so it seems the majority doesn't see any problems with it.
But I guess that's just one of those instances where people who don't like age gap romances try to justify their hatred for it in an extreme way, OR just simply trying to find any reason to hate it because it was popular. This shouldn't undermine the real life cases of grooming though.
grooming does not need to have sexual relationship, the fact that he waited for her to become adult says more…
The thing is, I doubt any of this will go to court at all. KSR's family members are only looking to sue Lee Jin Ho, the Youtuber who spread lies about KSR. They probably know their chances against KSH are slim, not necessarily because he didn't do anything, but because evidence is hard to find without KSR's statements.
I'm not familiar of the Hidden Love debate(?), but while grooming is a somewhat recent concept in legal terms.. it is very real and very widespread. I do not specialize in that field, but I know some who deal with such matters, and grooming increased a lot with online relationships. Many young teenagers meet adults online and start "online dating", and are groomed on social media platforms, games, or chat groups etc. In many instances it's even cross-national, making the cases almost impossible to deal with. Are there people misusing the concept to apply it to media they see? Sure, most definitely. But the same goes for just about any criminal acts.
I fear for the young kids growing up in an unsupervised environment with a lot of creepy and predatory adults present.
grooming does not need to have sexual relationship, the fact that he waited for her to become adult says more…
As a fellow lawyer, you should know that what is determined in court does not always represent the real picture. There are so many variables that affect the outcome of a court ruling, such as money, the competence of the lawyer/prosecution, the witnesses, the difficulty with obtaining evidence (depending on the matter), if one party (like in this case) is deceased, and of course the basis... the law itself. Many laws have loopholes. Even I, who has studied and worked in the judicial department for years, can not solely believe "innocent until proven guilty" because of this. And there is also such a thing as "morally wrong". This doesn't have to go against any laws at all, but is still a universal wrongdoing. In my opinion, him and the company lying out of their teeth in statement after statement, is already a grave moral wrongdoing. You as a lawyer should know how difficult it is to prove that they had sex, if one party is deceased and can't contest to it. Unless she had written it explicitly in a diary or the like. A failure to prove this happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and drawing conclusions is the best we can do with all the evidence we have seen. Something that the court is not allowed to do, but we as human beings are. And as you've mentioned, age of consent in Korea was at one point as young as 13! With little to no laws against grooming (but many cases were ruled as 'child exploitation' even with consensual sex), despite this.. just because the laws against relationship with minors were lacking, it does not mean he has no moral guilt.
Does this call for calling upon his death? Not officially, no. But I can empathize with the people who feel that way... especially when the outrage is coming from other victims of grooming (and grooming VERY common, there are so many unreported cases about it too)
So what if he dated her when she was young.. maybe they really loved each other. You never know who you get attracted…
?? What do you mean "You never know who you get attracted to."?? So let's take a more drastic example: If you are 20 and dating an 8 year old, it's okay because you can't help who you are attracted to?
It looks like the same actress playing Qian Lin lol
Also.. how disgusting to deny the facts and then proceed to announce a lawsuit against the victim's family. The "evidence" he presented was a bogus text analysis that just said his text messages then (2015-2016) and now seemed to be written by different people. lmaoo who is buying that shit?
You guys keep bringing up that we should wait until the court deems him a criminal. Are you guys okay? The woman is dead and can't sue him, the parents could TRY (depending on the domestic laws), but this is not about legal justice.
If there is a video of KSH talking like a misogynist while filming a mannequin in underwear, is this against the law? NO. Is it absolutely disgusting and worth cancelling? HELL YES.
Why do you guys support misogynistic behavior just because it hasn't been deemed misogynistic in court? (Which would be impossible by the way, there is no law against misogyny)
Many celebrities in Korea start living on their own at a very young age. They have managers and other staff who help out, depending on the company rules. Even though celebrities appear busy with projects, they still can find time to date and meet in the night or evenings. Even if someone lives at home with their family, they can meet their partner at night in other places.. you know how teenagers are when it comes to sneaking out and being rebellious. Actors are usually busy for a couple of months during filming and promotions, but then get some free time between projects.
I doubt they used email to communicate... it was ~2015 not 2005 lol.
Many celebrities in Korea start living on their own at a very young age. They have managers and other staff who help out, depending on the company rules. Even though celebrities appear busy with projects, they still can find time to date and meet in the night or evenings. Even if someone lives at home with their family, they can meet their partner at night in other places.. you know how teenagers are when it comes to sneaking out and being rebellious. Actors are usually busy for a couple of months during filming and promotions, but then get some free time between projects.
I doubt they used email to communicate... it was ~2015 not 2005 lol.
But I guess that's just one of those instances where people who don't like age gap romances try to justify their hatred for it in an extreme way, OR just simply trying to find any reason to hate it because it was popular.
This shouldn't undermine the real life cases of grooming though.
I'm not familiar of the Hidden Love debate(?), but while grooming is a somewhat recent concept in legal terms.. it is very real and very widespread. I do not specialize in that field, but I know some who deal with such matters, and grooming increased a lot with online relationships. Many young teenagers meet adults online and start "online dating", and are groomed on social media platforms, games, or chat groups etc. In many instances it's even cross-national, making the cases almost impossible to deal with. Are there people misusing the concept to apply it to media they see? Sure, most definitely. But the same goes for just about any criminal acts.
I fear for the young kids growing up in an unsupervised environment with a lot of creepy and predatory adults present.
And there is also such a thing as "morally wrong". This doesn't have to go against any laws at all, but is still a universal wrongdoing. In my opinion, him and the company lying out of their teeth in statement after statement, is already a grave moral wrongdoing. You as a lawyer should know how difficult it is to prove that they had sex, if one party is deceased and can't contest to it. Unless she had written it explicitly in a diary or the like. A failure to prove this happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and drawing conclusions is the best we can do with all the evidence we have seen. Something that the court is not allowed to do, but we as human beings are.
And as you've mentioned, age of consent in Korea was at one point as young as 13! With little to no laws against grooming (but many cases were ruled as 'child exploitation' even with consensual sex), despite this.. just because the laws against relationship with minors were lacking, it does not mean he has no moral guilt.
Does this call for calling upon his death? Not officially, no. But I can empathize with the people who feel that way... especially when the outrage is coming from other victims of grooming (and grooming VERY common, there are so many unreported cases about it too)
We need to protect minors from adult predators!