Not a Robot

In my opinion, KP was toxic and the toxicity was romanticized. Stalking and threatening family to get Porsche to take the body guard job was romanticized. The worst, was the mindf#cking Kim gave to Porchay, still that was romanticized as well. Viewers were like, Kim's song was so, sigh, touching, sob. The forums do not have the authority to declare someone morally inferior for liking something "toxic," especially when some people's behaviors here are real life toxic.

I misunderstood your point regarding yaoi, so I apologize. BL, yaoi, shounen ai was not written for nor ever claimed to represent LGBT values. From the start that it was by women for women. I think that it most BL leads are characters hetero women would have the hots for. I was never fascinated by gay romance fiction where the sex is really fast and steamy. Gay fiction written by and for their audience is very different from BL. I think there's room for inclusivity, and dramas are adapted by male authors such as Patrick Rangimant. Yet very few BL works in manga, fiction, webtoons are authored by men. Bara as a subgenre has never been as popular with readers either.

I was reponding to the OP, "If people don't like Mame and her writing style, why do they continue to watch her dramas?? She's not going to change if she continues to have the support of the viewers. " I personally do not care for twisted types of characters, so I hardly read stories about them. That said, I think that manga such as Castehate and Jealousy have a place in the genre. The Korean BL webtoon artists who love to publish violent, bloody, horror BL, will continue to do so because it's popular. So I think you and I are on the same page. We don't read certain things and do not agree with some content, but do not want to ban them.

The Thai readers are the people who read her books. It isn't the general BL audience because only those who can read Thai are able to read her books. It's the Thai readership who have elevated her works to be popular enough to be made into live action series. Love by Chance was not made because of worldwide popularity but Thai popularity.

Early BL, and even some today have rape or twisted fantasies. I do not deny this. Noncon/dubcon is not exclusive to BL or gay works. Heterosexual stories have similar fantasy plot lines, or you wouldn't have "bodice rippers." It's just that people continue to try to shame people out of reading or watching these works, and think they are morally superior doing this. They also have no problem kink shaming, which is another morally superior judgment call. If I think Harry Potter is toxic, so should I start a campaign to make people stop reading the books because I think kids behaving violently along with adult allies should not be presented as entertainment? That people justify the violence because magic is involved is condoning violence? That readers are now being told that a major HP has been gay all along should be cancelled for gay baiting and "problematic?" Oh yes, and the author is now being called a TERF? Wouldn't I be morally superior for pointing all of this out? NO!

I personally feel that Mame writes for people who have similar tastes and instead of trying to make her stop writing these types of stories, people who do not like them should stop reading them. If people really hate her works and stop reading them, she will change because her sales would drop. I think Mame should write what she wants to write, and we as consumers should choose whether or not to consume them. What another person thinks is toxic should not define what is toxic to another.

I like your statement that literature should offend people. The works that have lasted for centuries, such as Inferno, Shakespeare and the Greek classics are largely offensive. We are still reading and analyzing these types of works centuries after they are written. Hamlet was one of the best things I was forced to read. Shakespeare's lines are still in common use 300 years later. Yukiko Mishima's works are still as gut punching today, as when written. I think everything should be allowed. There would be people who would throw Harry Potter books into the fire, since there are a lot of toxic events in them. I just believe that we should be careful about declaring things should not be published or produced based on our personal feelings.

Your analysis is valid and makes sense. I get tired of the puritanical, almost religious fervor that people write (to be clear, not talking about OP) about May. I'm not saying Mame is Shakespeare, but I was assigned to read a Shakespeare play that had teen sex, murder, gangland feuds, deception and double teen suicide, as a 14 year old in 9th grade. The Bard is hailed as a master, yet his works are mostly toxic by 2022 standards. Sometimes I think we have lost sight that no one is pure, and we are all toxic at times. I usually don't like group sex, or cheating, so I tend to not read those stories, but I don't want to deny those works to people who enjoy them. If people have a non/dubcon kink, they shouldn't be kink shamed either. Mame does have a place amongst Thai BL readers, and I think we're a little unfair to her at times.

I love the puppy dog man chasing the runaway master. I like that trope, I don't know why. The 3P isn't my thing, Lop should have demanded condoms before being passed back and forth like a hot potato.

Mame is a Thai author who writes for Thai readers, and they seem to like her books. Sometimes, Thai fans seem to like things foreigners don't care for. I'm sure if Thai readers read some western fiction, they would hate it too. People just have different tastes. Foreign BL readers like to cancel anything they do not like, but their views must be "validated" and "affirmed" because they're special, and of course, morally superior to Thais right? I have purchased Thai BL ebooks and the English translation usually has its flaws, but I've read plenty of English pulp fiction, and I do not feel that we have a morally superior high ground to stand on.

It's interesting how Ai and Nhai are the in this series compared to TC. I never got used to the recast of Bar in Love Mechanics, so I'm hoping that I will get used to T & C. I am looking forward to Porsche and Art as the dads.

Yes, I agree and that's why I'm worried. I think having Wang being raised in a boarding school is the way they get this story to work. Most people are raised by parents, and even when there is conflict, most parents know the child pretty well, even if they have different points of view. Neither Mol, nor In really know Wang. Yes, Mol had Wang on weekends, but since she was in a power position, I'm sure that she missed many weekends with him. If she has a problem with alcohol, even more. I can see this series having the potential to be very special, as long as they stay on course and do not let the story turn in to a "lakorn" plot. Truthfully, I don't want to see Wang die young like his father, nor do I want to see In become a martyr so that Wang can be with someone younger. The older adults need to let Siam rest in peace by helping Wang be true to himself and be happy.

I'm hoping history doesn't repeat itself, leading to a death, or In will sacrifice himself so Wang can go be with the guy from school, who is closer to his age. I'm so used to films and series from all countries devolving to end in a cliche. I'm hoping this series doesn't jump the shark, I would be disappointed.

The first episode was outstanding. I'm hoping they continue the momentum.

I'm not sure what's going on. I'm only hoping it isn't the same scenario as My Extraordinary. Are there two sets of twins, or is Mork and his twin in a competition? This couple is very engaging, and although I'm confused, this series is very well done.

If Nine had just texted Dao and said, I'm going to give my relationship another try. (Did they discuss there break-ups during Ep 0?). Either way, all Nine had to do was let Dao know he wanted to try to make his relationship work. Most people would understand this, and I Dao would have wished him well. If Nine decided to pursue Dao after the break-up, he could text him and say, how are you doing? Would you be interested in meeting? He could then explain that his ex was suicidal and that he wanted to make sure before finally breaking up with her. Another huge donut hole, when Nine broke up with Praew, did she commit suicide? NO!! She became lot stronger not being in an ambiguous relationship. I'm starting to think that this production company is used to working on teen fodder, and thought by throwing in some R-rated scenes, could make this an adult production. TBH after this ends next week, I don't think that I will go back and watch episode 0. I'm sad that dating culture is like this now. No wonder these characters put up with so much BS.

I understand your point about Tee. My feelings toward Tee changed after seeing how many bad things Nine has done, in addition to cheating.

I think the flashbacks are manipulative, just like Nine. He could have looked for Dao instead of delegating things to Tee. Also, he could have answered Dao, and just told him that he wanted to give his relationship a try. He is old enough to know how to break things off with Dao by just being honest, and I think Dao would have accept it. Nine had male booty calls when he was with his girlfriend, so I don't know how he got so moral all of the sudden.

I did not watch Episode 0, so I did not have any love for Nine and Dao before watching the series. They had the talent, and it's a shame they didn't produce a better story for their actors, and the audience. I watched this hot mess to support Best, and I hope the gets a better series in the future.

That plot point of Tee interfering was added so the viewers will accept that Nine and Dao are meant to be. What they do not explain is, if Nine really liked Dao that much, why didn't he directly approach him? Nine does not have a problem with confidence, and he also knows he is attractive, he could have directly approached Dao at any time. They also do not explain why after meeting the man he has always liked, why did Nine go back to his girlfriend, then ghost the man he has always had feelings for? He then wanted to keep both Dao and his girlfriend, which is why he ended up at Lodestar after seeing Dao's photo. I would not go back to Tee, but I would not give Nine so any chances either. The real nuisance in my opinion, is Nine. Not only is he a nuisance, since he lies, forces kisses, and manipulates so much, he is actually not a very good person.

I'm so sad that this series has only 4 episodes. I don't really care about the hetero couples especially Mook and Toy, but at least they aren't annoying. It's just that if I've seen a BL trope 5,000 times, I've seen straight tropes 5,000,000 times, and I am enjoying Q's family discussions so much more.

I liked how they handled it Q got jealous of his uncle. Love can be irrational at times, but his uncle did not let it go, he had to have a talk with Q. Uncle Man is the sage of the home, and keeps things balanced. He keeps his sister from spinning over things she can't control, and he is helping guide Q to adulthood. I also thought it was pretty astute of X to confront the situation head on, rather than let Q run away. X has had more time to process his feelings for Q, so he is showing that he is not going to go anywhere, but they need to talk about thinks. You could see Q just let go of the tension in his body when X hugged him on the bridge. Tee did a great job in that scene.

Q's mom needs to be shown some compassion too. Many parents have a suspicion about their child's sexuality before they actually come out. She is afraid that her son will have a hard life, be teased and bullied. Even Q wondered what Frank and Toy will said when he was talking to his uncle. One of the worst feelings as a parent is, thinking about your child getting hurt. Once everything is out in the open, and she sees that her son is okay, she will relax too. Even though Uncle Man is the younger sibling, he is her rock, and he is able to de-escalate her, but speak to her her honestly.n.

You asked about Daonuea being at fault for once and I thought it deserved an answer LoL. They showed Tee "stealing" Daonuea from Nine when he gave the nerdy, bespectacled Dao (too lazy to type his full name) the gift from Nine. Dao's inner thoughts were that he didn't think he could get such a hot boyfriend, so he could have dated Tee because he was grateful.

With the amusement park flashback, and the stolen gift, the writers are trying to justify this whole mess by providing "evidence" that Nine liked Dao first, and tried to get to know him. However, they do not provide evidence that Nine ever approached Dao. If Nine liked him so much, he would have eventually approached him. Nine knows he's handsome, he would have tried. They also provided evidence that after meeting and having sex with the guy he liked so much, Nine promptly returned to his girlfriend and ghosted his long lost love that he loved before Tee. Somebody should have put up a true crime board so the writers could have kept the "evidence" consistent.

What I will miss most after this show ends is the comment section. MDL Check Out board should rewrite this series.

This whole show is Daonuea's fault. He rightfully broke up with Tee, but then, has given his vacation fling Nine, way more chances and rope than he ever gave to one strike, you're out Tee. In the real world, we would be worried about our friend being so obsessed with Nine, while throwing Tee away for one infraction that Nine has done many times, and more. My opinion is, this whole series is Daonuea's fault, but I'm open to changing my mind.

He may have felt uncomfortable telling a stranger, due to all of the sex and cooking, they may not have had time to discuss being out to everyone. It looks like Daonuea thought Top and Nine were friends without benefits.

It's confusing how BL boards often reflect the society, while pointing fingers at others over a drunken kiss. The criticisms being directed toward Eiw and Earth are usually mannerisms that are attributed as feminine. In contrast, Cake being a bonehead, lazy, homework cheater who sends mixed signals, can survive on a smile and good looks. Historically the less passable gay men have taken the heat for the community. Even the word "gay" was once a derogatory reference toward feminine attributes. That's why I will give reverence to Paul Lynde more than even my favorites such as Montgomery Clift for taking the brunt of the criticism. Neither actor ever publicly acknowledged their sexuality, but take a guess on who "passed."

I love both Earth and Santa, and think they are giving great performances. If people don't like the character of Eiw, that's fine, but up to now, most of the critiques are about his mannerisms. As for tropes, hetero movies and dramas are full of them too, yet BL is put up on an altar like it should be more sacred. It's all profane. People are people, that's all.