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My mistake, I wasn't aware he had his own version. Thank you so much

I think you mean the one with Dong Yi (I've confused them a few times; they look alike). Check it on tiktok, it's called Everlasting Marriage (Not the Wang Hao Zhen and Ma Qiu Yuan version. Same story, same title but different actors. Still amazing)

Link to 1st ep coz i somehow can't share the entire playlist, you'll do the rest:

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSmW3s5er/

As of now, she still hasn't made a pact with him, so she's still not conceding to anything. She loves her brother but loving her brother doesn't give her leeway to be horrible to someone who has nothin to do with his death. My initial post was simply that she is valid in her grief but she's misplacing her anger, that statement still stands. You brought up concessions. I'm not saying she should just accept his feelings because he loves her, for his crimes, she can torture him for that and he deserves it. Yes it's a natural reaction but it being a natural reaction doesn't mean we, the audience, can't analyse it as a harsh one- natural as it may be. We can go in circles all day.
As I said before, I like where her character is going. I love the development. Cruel as her tactics are, she's growing beautifully. We agree to disagree otherwise we'll be here all day.

Yes but the mistakes of her brother weren't hers to forgive. Her brother did nothing to her so why does it excuse how she's acting? XXX was relentless and she did resist. I give her that but then she married him, not only that; she made it a point to keep her brother away from the wedding so it would not be stopped. She fought a second bride in the backrooms just to make sure she married him. He asked for her hand fairly and she accepted. She made that choice because marrying him benefits her search for her cure. That's not a concession; it's a deal. A concession would have been her marrying him because she's changed her mind about their relationship and now thinks they would be a great couple; she didn't marry him for that so... not a concession.

She actually can blame her brother; and she should; he did those things, dying doesn't mean it didn't happen. She can love him, grieve him, and blame him. He did all that. She never made concessions for XXX, she made them for herself. She didn't want to lose one relationship over the other so she tried for reconciliation. She wanted XXX to let it all go and hoped her brother would turn himself in. Where is the concession? Marrying him was mutually beneficial. What was the concession. Goin on those glass fragment missions is to cure her. Where is the concession? Not forgiving him is fine but torturing him with the one thing he cannot handle is cruel. In this moment, she is no better than her father and brother. Everything they do is for their benefit alone, she's taking the same route.
As for feelings, yes she's never fallen in love before, I give her grace for that but she's always been an empath. Nongyu knows exactly what hurts people; that's why she begged her brother to forgive her father, why she begged her husband to forgive her brother, why she consoled her sister-in-law after her brother said the REN are monsters and shouldn't be loved. She knows, and that's why she so explicitly explained to him in the dream sequence why XXX keeps failing to wake her up. She laid that out in detail; she knows falling in love at first sight is their thing because she knows XXX craves her love like it's the air he breathes and that's why she made that jump at the end coz she wants him to keep losing the one thing he wants and loves. She looked him in the eye and SAID IT ... while he was breaking down begging. She knows how deep the cut is, she knows she's making it; SHE WANTS TO nothing here is a mistake. And she will keep making it until he either gives up or she feels like he's worthy of her again. She especially likes torturing him with his emotions because it's the one thing he has no defense for. I like what they're doing with the character, it shows development but I can't excuse the actions of the character just because I like how she's written.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I really like that they made her go through this though, she would have never matured with her brother around. Not saying being loved extremely is wrong, she just needed some development. As unreasonable as she is being right now, she's still forgivable.

WNY's grief is valid but it's misplaced. She read that letter, it explained everything. Nothing could have saved her brother. And XXX sending that video before the death of her brother was coincidental, it's not his fault. Should he have just let it go? And now she's using his emotions against him, knowing fully well that he doesn't know how to handle any of them because he's never had to before. She brings these feelings out of him. When it comes to emotions, he's basically a teenager. He doesn't understand why he's suddeny in so much pain and even if he does, he hasn't fully grasped why it affects him as much as it does and how to deal with them. This is a psychiatric condition. And she's using it against him. It's like teaching somebody how to start a fire and then burning them. It's cruel.

I love it. I would love it more if they didn't act like KDW being logical about how he approaches cases is a bad thing and if PGP took the self-righteousness down a smidge.
And I would not survive against WMH... i would probably strangle him in court coz wow he's unfeeling. He makes me so angry.

Why do you think what I said is blasphemy against the couple instead of criticism against the writing?

I understand complicated personalities and I love psychotic characters but what I meant with that line is that when people watch a show, subconsciously they have reasons why they lean towards certain characters. It's not always explicit but there are reasons. We aren't given room to do that with Hua Yong and SSY, it's like the show is saying "These are the main characters so anything they do is cool and okay and right" and when you ask why, the only answer is "Because they're the main character" which I think is just lazy reasoning.

Before I start, everybody should know that I don't think the 2nd couple is better I simply prefer their story; so the competition thing between the two is ridiculous. I am dissappinted not to see Gao Tu at all this episode. I love that boy and I looked forward to him all week and I'll probably bitch and moan about it for the rest of the week, Li Peien is a gem to me. Now onto why we like the 2nd couple. We know why they are the way they are. Gao Tu has reasons for pretending to be something he's not. Shen has reasons for being a little bitch. There is yearning and other hidden truths between them from the rest of the characters. An element that is missing with the 1st couple. You gotta understand, audience always wants to know why they're rooting for a character... we don't know why we're supposed to be rooting for Hua Yong so it makes him feel too detached from us. In every story, no matter how unrealistic the universe is to our real world, the reactions and decisions should remain realistic, that's what creates the connection between characters and the people watching. We root for Gao Tu coz he's feels deserving because of what he's willing to and has been going through to have it. We want them to be together because that's what Gao Tu wants and we want him to have at least one thing he desires. Hua Yong is powerful, rich, gorgous, successful, and untouchable and we love that; we also love that he's willing to do anything to be with the man he wants but either than that, we don't really know why he's not being upfront with this man. Yes in the novel it's told but this isn't the novel, it's the show and not everyone who watches this has read that and no one should be forced to either (only people who are forced to eead it should be the creators of the show). Maybe if we knew why Hua Yong does what he does, we'd lean to him more but we really have no clue. At the moment it just feels like a sadistic taunt for him, nothing else and that's not a bad thing; he's great for it but you also can't blame people for not caring for soneone who has no worries to begin with. Everything that's happened with and around Hua Yong has been in his control, he's a diva and we do love a diva but that's all there is to it. It's just surface level. Gao Tu is being dealt bad hands, nothing happening is anything he can control. If he reveals he's an omega, his father will probably sell him to the highest bidder for a quick buck, he's afraid SWL will turn on him, he'll then be jobless and his sister will die if her fees aren't paid and sure they are paid now but this is a sickness, anything could turn at any moment; and lastly he's always had to take care of things so he doesn't trust anyone to take care of him. There's a lot for us to root for when it comes to Gao Tu, that's why we like the 2nd couple. SWL always laments about his loneliness even though he doesn't think of it as loneliness, just last episode we were given a glimpse into his relationship with his parents so we know there's also neglect there which explains why he could be how he is. We saw him take care of the one person in the show who's always taking care of others, that is growth. He got his ear bit off by that doctor for how he acts; there is actual backlash to his actions, he gets held accountable. He's the ONLY one who's not afraid to speak his mind with Hua Yong when everyone walks on eggshels around him... is his mind a dumpster truck? YES but he's still not afraid to level with the most powerful being in the universe; he doesn't get enough credit for that. But with Hua Yong, there's nothing yet. The storyline just pretends he's right all the time, at some point it's annoying. It's like watching a Chuck Norris movie, what's the point of a main character if the story will treat them like they are aware they're the main character.No struggle, no development, nothing. Too much plot armour. I have nothing much to say about ShaoYong, he seems to exist only to exist. He's trying to find a cure for his father but we don't even know of the relationship they have... is he trying to find a cure out of filial duty or does he genuinely want his father healed? At more times than not, even that searchnfor a cure is sidelined for no reason. I have to study his character a bit more before I dissect him. But yeah, as of now, we root for Gao Tu and SWL coz they have an actual story and a few hurdles to get over before they can be together. Hua Yong and his man, they're currently chuck norris-ing their storyline and until that "main character plot amour" trope is used a bit less, it's gonna be difficult for people to truly enjoy their genius characters.