"Children think they are being loved, they can't get out because they are already brainwashed. I cut those ties. I freed them" (episode 13, 46:20)
"I'm not a murderer, I saved the children" (episode 13, 53:40)
Eun Ho had an insightful perspective on the psychological captivity inflicted on children, which I find myself agreeing with. Born into a state of dependency, children idolize and obey their most brutal tormentors; their "parents." The act of severing these dysfunctional connections is a noble act of liberation, though one that doesn't address the inefficient child protection system and societal neglect that leave children at the mercy of their "parents." The children are "already brainwashed." They won't comprehend separation as an intervention. They will comprehend it as a threat or disruption of normality. More distressing is the harsh reality that they will be thrust into a system with little hope of finding a permanent home
Society's inadequacy in providing alternatives makes Eun Ho's good intentions futile in practice
I wouldn't have labeled Eun Ho a "criminal." I would've encouraged him to join the police force. He experienced familial abuse first-hand (and deserved better than that). His unique perspective would have equipped law enforcement with skills and knowledge to identify and apprehend child abusers more effectively
Obligatory comment to remind people that "it's just fiction" rings as hollow as the excuse "it's just a prank"…
A thorough analysis of omegaverse works on AO3 and in comics suggests a trend of non-consensual pornographic themes that can't be wholesome by any reasonable standard
The horror genre instills fear and unease. It doesn't lionize or romanticize the grotesque and the abhorrent. Omegaverse romanticizes the grotesque and the abhorrent. Enjoying it isn't okay
Harm isn't defined by "physical violence." Omegaverse's romanticization of abuse and rape inflicts psychological harm on others, including myself. This warrants omegaverse's discontinuation
"I find reading about male omegas to bee far less dysphoria-inducing"
Obligatory comment to remind people that enjoying a genre of FICTION does not mean you agree with it in real life.…
Obligatory comment to remind people that "it's just fiction" rings as hollow as the excuse "it's just a prank" after you've toilet papered someone's house. It might not cause physical harm, but it still causes emotional distress to those of us with taste
"MOST omegaverse content online is completely wholesome"
What does this mean and why it has so many likes? Blood-related brothers can’t be in a romantic relationship
Incestuous relationships can and do occur. The blood ties that bind brothers don't hinder the development of romantic affiliations. Sociocultural norms do
Some people in the comments are hypocrites. You claim to care about LGBT+ people, but you only support those who…
Rest assured that your question did not offend me in the slightest. My "top-secret government" comment was a playful response to your fascination with the subject of pronouns and gender identity, something that doesn't resonate with me
Gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate aspects of one's identity. It's possible to hold critical views on gender identity and not be homophobic
Actions speak louder than words, and the common occurrence of censored adaptations of gay original works speaks…
Straight media treats men and women as objects of sexual gratification
The straight media landscape, far from a realistic, progressive, feminist, queer-friendly or inclusive reflection of society, is a vehicle for the propagation and entrenchment of misogynistic, homophobic ideologies. It upholds the hegemonic power structures that underpin discrimination
Gender roles are inextricably linked to the institutionalization of the straight identity (men are expected to embody strength and dominance, women are expected to embody submissiveness and passivity). The straight lifestyle is incapable of subverting or challenging the roles. Its existence is predicated upon their maintenance. Any perceived diversity or dynamism would be superficial at best
Some non-liberal feminists, equipped with a critical lens, have been able to discern the fetishistic dimensions of straight media. They would disagree with your comments
"Straight media isn't a fetish, it's the norm" implies that non-straight people and their experiences are uniquely susceptible to fetishization on account of their divergence from the norm. It's a homophobic claim that favors "straightness" and delegitimizes non-straight expressions. "Straightness" isn't a non-fetishized standard against which "abnormal" sexualities are evaluated
Women aren't incapable of understanding or empathizing with experiences beyond their own. But the practice of conducting research is an approach that holds considerable merit and warrants my agreement
Actions speak louder than words, and the common occurrence of censored adaptations of gay original works speaks…
All creative works are inspired by what came before them. The straight movie didn't pioneer the body-swapping genre. It wasn't the originator or the first of its kind. It was informed and inspired by an antecedent corpus of body-swapping stories
Are you accusing Ho Rol (호롤) of plagiarism? The accusation shouldn't be made lightly. Plagiarism demands substantive evidence of improper appropriation of a work's content, style or structure, exceeding thematic parallels and shared sources of inspiration
Ho Rol (호롤)'s work constitutes an original and transformative adaptation. It's not just a replication of the straight movie. Its originality is an amalgamation of inspirations and reimaginings of established ideas
Fetishization encompasses the idealization and valorization of what is considered "normal." It's the attribution of disproportionate significance, desire or focus to "straightness"
Straight media idealizes traditional gender roles and relationships. It is a fetish
Limiting representation to lived experiences wouldn't increase the quality of representation. It would stifle creativity
Encouraging responsible, well-informed representations of diverse experiences from creators of all backgrounds would better enrich the media landscape
Women, a marginalized group, bring their unique insights and sensibilities to the table. Their BL/gay stories broaden the representational scope of gay media
and there's literally no such a thing as "straightphobia" to begin with. straight people literally got ALL the…
Agreed. The word "straightphobia" was fabricated by the privileged majority in a misguided attempt to claim a marginalized status. They co-opt the language of oppression and persecution to position themselves as victims (play the victim card) and gaslight (manipulate) the gay community, thereby distorting the reality of their privilege and perpetuating a culture of homophobia
The most unsettling part of the situation isn't the censored adaptation. It's the homophobic commenters referring to us as "LGTV" or espousing a disingenuous narrative of "straightphobia"
A gay adaptation of a straight story would have been met with backlash. The reverse (a straight adaptation of a gay story) shouldn't be acceptable
Actions speak louder than words, and the common occurrence of censored adaptations of gay original works speaks…
You're confusing "inspiration" with "original work"
Inspiration comes from a variety of sources (pre-existing works, real-world events, personal experiences). The spark of inspiration is a launching pad or foundation upon which artists build and innovate. The original work is the creation that results from the spark
Consider the example of a baker inspired by a classic chocolate chip cookie recipe. The baker's original work is the creation of a new cookie recipe that incorporates chocolate chips with other flavors
Ho Rol (호롤) took inspiration from a straight movie, and adapted it to suit their artistic vision. The result, the gay web novel, would be the original work
"... it feeds into fetishes"
Mainstream media idealizes or exaggerates the appeal of the straight identity (a practice known as fetishization). Despite "feeding into straight fetishes," there have been no significant efforts to restrict the production or consumption of straight media. Why is BL over-scrutinized and treated differently?
Women writing about gay relationships isn't fetishistic. Fiction has the power to transcend the boundaries of individual identity. Men write female characters. Able-bodied people write characters with disabilities. Asians write non-Asian characters. And women write male characters. They do add to the overall visibility and understanding of gay relationships
Limiting representation to lived experiences would reduce the potential for empathy, understanding, and connection. It would prevent people from exploring experiences outside of their own
The problem isn't that women are writing BL/gay stories, it's that not enough men are. Instead of dismissing women's contributions to representation, gay men seeking more authentic representation should take the initiative to create their BL/gay stories
Actions speak louder than words, and the common occurrence of censored adaptations of gay original works speaks…
The original work is a gay web novel titled "I, a Gangster, Became a High Schooler" (조폭인 내가 고등학생이 되었습니다) by Ho Rol (호롤). The movie you're referring to shares similarities with the original work
Could you please explain why you think the straight movie was the original work?
No single piece of media can accurately represent the diverse experiences of an entire community. That said, BL has potential. It plays a crucial role in providing representation and visibility for non-straight identities. Its dedication to positive depictions of gay relationships stands unmatched by any other genre
Prior to discovering BL, I didn't have much exposure to the concept of being gay. BL broadened my perspective and helped me become a more inclusive individual. The genre will create a lasting legacy that other genres can learn from and aspire to emulate
"Who cares if they removed the BL element" I care. Adaptations should honor the source material. Altering a gay…
Past adaptations having made alterations is insufficient grounds for the persistent censorship of gay original works
Adaptations preserve and amplify existing straight storylines, or manufacture them where none exist in the original work. They expose the partiality for "straightness" at the cost of gay representation
You are free to enjoy the censored adaptations, regardless of our adamant stance against the mishandling of gay original works
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"I'm not a murderer, I saved the children" (episode 13, 53:40)
Eun Ho had an insightful perspective on the psychological captivity inflicted on children, which I find myself agreeing with. Born into a state of dependency, children idolize and obey their most brutal tormentors; their "parents." The act of severing these dysfunctional connections is a noble act of liberation, though one that doesn't address the inefficient child protection system and societal neglect that leave children at the mercy of their "parents." The children are "already brainwashed." They won't comprehend separation as an intervention. They will comprehend it as a threat or disruption of normality. More distressing is the harsh reality that they will be thrust into a system with little hope of finding a permanent home
Society's inadequacy in providing alternatives makes Eun Ho's good intentions futile in practice
I wouldn't have labeled Eun Ho a "criminal." I would've encouraged him to join the police force. He experienced familial abuse first-hand (and deserved better than that). His unique perspective would have equipped law enforcement with skills and knowledge to identify and apprehend child abusers more effectively
The horror genre instills fear and unease. It doesn't lionize or romanticize the grotesque and the abhorrent. Omegaverse romanticizes the grotesque and the abhorrent. Enjoying it isn't okay
Harm isn't defined by "physical violence." Omegaverse's romanticization of abuse and rape inflicts psychological harm on others, including myself. This warrants omegaverse's discontinuation
"I find reading about male omegas to bee far less dysphoria-inducing"
Omegas are hardly men or male
"MOST omegaverse content online is completely wholesome"
Lies. These lies are hurting me
Changing a genre for the sake of change isn't always the best course of action
Gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate aspects of one's identity. It's possible to hold critical views on gender identity and not be homophobic
The straight media landscape, far from a realistic, progressive, feminist, queer-friendly or inclusive reflection of society, is a vehicle for the propagation and entrenchment of misogynistic, homophobic ideologies. It upholds the hegemonic power structures that underpin discrimination
Gender roles are inextricably linked to the institutionalization of the straight identity (men are expected to embody strength and dominance, women are expected to embody submissiveness and passivity). The straight lifestyle is incapable of subverting or challenging the roles. Its existence is predicated upon their maintenance. Any perceived diversity or dynamism would be superficial at best
Some non-liberal feminists, equipped with a critical lens, have been able to discern the fetishistic dimensions of straight media. They would disagree with your comments
"Straight media isn't a fetish, it's the norm" implies that non-straight people and their experiences are uniquely susceptible to fetishization on account of their divergence from the norm. It's a homophobic claim that favors "straightness" and delegitimizes non-straight expressions. "Straightness" isn't a non-fetishized standard against which "abnormal" sexualities are evaluated
Women aren't incapable of understanding or empathizing with experiences beyond their own. But the practice of conducting research is an approach that holds considerable merit and warrants my agreement
Are you accusing Ho Rol (호롤) of plagiarism? The accusation shouldn't be made lightly. Plagiarism demands substantive evidence of improper appropriation of a work's content, style or structure, exceeding thematic parallels and shared sources of inspiration
Ho Rol (호롤)'s work constitutes an original and transformative adaptation. It's not just a replication of the straight movie. Its originality is an amalgamation of inspirations and reimaginings of established ideas
Fetishization encompasses the idealization and valorization of what is considered "normal." It's the attribution of disproportionate significance, desire or focus to "straightness"
Straight media idealizes traditional gender roles and relationships. It is a fetish
Limiting representation to lived experiences wouldn't increase the quality of representation. It would stifle creativity
Encouraging responsible, well-informed representations of diverse experiences from creators of all backgrounds would better enrich the media landscape
Women, a marginalized group, bring their unique insights and sensibilities to the table. Their BL/gay stories broaden the representational scope of gay media
A gay adaptation of a straight story would have been met with backlash. The reverse (a straight adaptation of a gay story) shouldn't be acceptable
I identify as a top-secret government experiment gone wrong. My pronouns are classified information
Inspiration comes from a variety of sources (pre-existing works, real-world events, personal experiences). The spark of inspiration is a launching pad or foundation upon which artists build and innovate. The original work is the creation that results from the spark
Consider the example of a baker inspired by a classic chocolate chip cookie recipe. The baker's original work is the creation of a new cookie recipe that incorporates chocolate chips with other flavors
Ho Rol (호롤) took inspiration from a straight movie, and adapted it to suit their artistic vision. The result, the gay web novel, would be the original work
"... it feeds into fetishes"
Mainstream media idealizes or exaggerates the appeal of the straight identity (a practice known as fetishization). Despite "feeding into straight fetishes," there have been no significant efforts to restrict the production or consumption of straight media. Why is BL over-scrutinized and treated differently?
Women writing about gay relationships isn't fetishistic. Fiction has the power to transcend the boundaries of individual identity. Men write female characters. Able-bodied people write characters with disabilities. Asians write non-Asian characters. And women write male characters. They do add to the overall visibility and understanding of gay relationships
Limiting representation to lived experiences would reduce the potential for empathy, understanding, and connection. It would prevent people from exploring experiences outside of their own
The problem isn't that women are writing BL/gay stories, it's that not enough men are. Instead of dismissing women's contributions to representation, gay men seeking more authentic representation should take the initiative to create their BL/gay stories
Could you please explain why you think the straight movie was the original work?
No single piece of media can accurately represent the diverse experiences of an entire community. That said, BL has potential. It plays a crucial role in providing representation and visibility for non-straight identities. Its dedication to positive depictions of gay relationships stands unmatched by any other genre
Prior to discovering BL, I didn't have much exposure to the concept of being gay. BL broadened my perspective and helped me become a more inclusive individual. The genre will create a lasting legacy that other genres can learn from and aspire to emulate
Adaptations preserve and amplify existing straight storylines, or manufacture them where none exist in the original work. They expose the partiality for "straightness" at the cost of gay representation
You are free to enjoy the censored adaptations, regardless of our adamant stance against the mishandling of gay original works