Not just in the context of this drama but in general: I think we're all here because we want to support and watch…
I hear you. I keep my fingers crossed that it will be a "rising tides raise all ships" situation and we'll get gems alongside the commercial dreck. I'm not even against tropes and familiar concepts, I want to see every type of queer media - from the really artistic to the deliberately campy. But I need these shows to pick a lane and then bring some heart and creativity to that lane. I'm not going to pat anybody on the back for crumbs from their table.
Everyone here is wanna be critic. Your opinions and criticisms are welcome. But this is not some primetime big…
Not just in the context of this drama but in general: I think we're all here because we want to support and watch LGBTQ media. But as a queer person, I'm allowed to want queer media that is well done. Not everything needs to be Moonlight, but I don't think it's wrong to expect something to be done well for what it is. Long Time No See is a great example for a drama with a most likely much lower budget than this that does great things within the confines of that budget. The fact that people take the time to think and write out opinions and criticisms just shows that they care. It's not about being a hater or wannabe critic. It should be possible to both watch and support these shows and also point out what could hopefully be improved in future projects.
It was explained pretty well to me. He doesn't know how friends are supposed to work or how to make them so he…
And that's great that you see something in the character that you identify with! That's part of the fun of fiction, after all. Personally, I have a hard time changing my routines, so maybe that's why the character left me confused in that regard!
It was explained pretty well to me. He doesn't know how friends are supposed to work or how to make them so he…
What I mean to say is: The turnaround is very quick. We're told that Tae Kyung has been this way for years, but all these things that supposedly change his mind in this episode happen over the course of a day or a couple of days at most. And a majority of these catalysts, like maybe missing out on an assignment, would be things that would've been happening also in the years before. I do understand that the episode is only 18 minutes long and you have to be economical, but the jump in character development just feels very sudden.
It was explained pretty well to me. He doesn't know how friends are supposed to work or how to make them so he…
I see your point, and I didn't mean to imply that the experience of not understanding the social cues of friendship because of neurodiversity isn't a lived experience. However, if Tae Kyung is meant to be read as neurodivergent (which, if that's the case I wish they'd make it more explicit cause representation), it's a bit odd that one conversation, and not one with a qualified therapist, changed his behaviour pattern so profoundly. And if he's not meant to be read as neurodivergent, then the writers don't understand how introverts work.
I mean it’s based on a silly mobile game lol what are u expecting? But yes we shall see how it develops.
Idk man, I've played some mobile games with pretty good plots lol. I don't even think this needed to be more complex. IMO it would have worked better if Tae Kyung just struggled connecting to people instead of this hyperbolic thing of "I've NEVER had friends and never MISSED IT until NOW." But yeah. What's going to matter here is how the relationships build, not why it started.
YES!!! THE PAIN IS OVER!! This story was so hard to watch... i had to skip all along, it was too painful, how…
It's a shame too, because in other projects the acting from all of them is pretty decent. I'm choosing to believe that the terrible script/direction/editing just sucked any soul out of the acting that was there.
I'm not sure what to think about this yet. This first episode was just a bunch of very basic exposition. Also, while I'm usually capable of suspending quite a bit of disbelief when it comes to dramaland, I don't buy this premise at all. You never had friends your whole life (which, why? It's not well explained at all), but some random teacher gives you two sentences of the most cookie cutter pop psychology nonsense of all time and THAT changes your mind? Okay then.
I guess we'll see how it develops over the next few episodes. Boy trying to get accepted into the student council at least has potential to be a neat little plot line.
Perth. Sweetie. I am so sorry. I mean, I'm glad you're employed, but....
Anyway, I think I figured out what this production's problem is. They have ZERO confidence in both their scriptwriters' and their actors' abilities to get emotions across effectively. In the case of the script, this is pretty justified, to be fair, but the cast is better than this. There were hints of some genuinely lovely acting moments in there, which I could have enjoyed had they not been BLARING this goddamn soundtrack at me the ENTIRE TIME. Let your actors do their goddamn jobs and communicate emotions to me! Don't drown that out by doing the soundtrack equivalent of yelling at me in the street about how moved and touched I'm supposed to be feeling at any given second!
I'm not even going to comment on the paper thin plot. Honestly, I'm just glad this is over now. Hopefully next week they won't attempt anything beyond their capabilities and I can have a chill fluffy little sendoff for the faves Kaeng/Puth and Sun/Nuea. That's all I ask at this point.
Before I say anything else, a disclaimer: I specifically started this show looking for something to hate watch in order to distract myself from some heavy real life things. I now find myself in the absolutely mortifying position of wanting to defend this series, at least a little bit.
It's a fair question to ask whether this is a story worth telling at all. I'm addressing myself specifically to other queer people right now. In life, generally speaking, it is not your responsibility to coddle someone and hold their hand while they work through their bigotry. If you feel called to do so, great! The world would be in a worse spot if no one ever did. But it is not anyone's duty to perform that kind of emotional labour for someone else, to try and convince them that group xyz deserves basic human dignity. Having said all that, if we accept that this is dramaland and Reform Your Local Homophobe is a storyline we're willing to explore, then I truly don't understand why this show seems to be so universally disliked while something like TharnType has almost a cult following.
Tonhon, for all his faults, is the kind of character that I believe is actually capable learning and growing in this way, and I can also see why there are people in his life willing to work with him. He's not exactly emotionally intelligent and his conflict resolution skills need work, but he's also gregarious, generous, loyal and affectionate. His bigotry rests mainly on very toxic, but also very abstract ideas of manhood. He's the type who would and does change his mind quite readily in the face of people he cares about, and he's the type who would have people around him who care about him enough to stick around while he figures things out.
On that note, I'm not nearly as mad as some people seem to be at Ai, Ni and the rest when they try to get Tonhon to confront his sexuality. Do they go about it in a non-ideal way? Sure! But again, dramaland. Also, if your close friends can't call you out on your bullshit, who can? Having someone see you with loving, but clear eyes is one of the greatest things about friendship.
This series does quite a few things well. Where they lose me is the last few episodes, and I don't think I've ever seen a series that started out decent shit the bed like that. For one thing, the cheating conflict and its resolution make absolutely no sense, and what's worse is that they're entirely unnecessary. Confronting Tonhon's homophobic father would have been enough material for a final conflict before the HEA, but more on that later. With the cheating, first of all I find it very hard to believe that Chon would be so adamant about never forgiving Tonhon. By that point, Amp has been established as an entirely unreliable character, Ai and Ni were present to bear witness to what actually happened but for no reason choose this time to suddenly no longer meddle in their friend's life, and anyway Chon has up until then always been almost too forgiving of Ton. I don't buy the whole thing from start to finish. And the way they chose to resolve it negates literally everything they have done plot wise up until that point. No sense whatsoever. My guess is that they desperately needed more runtime and this was the best they could come up with. Shame.
The surrogacy theme is the final blow in that they just bit off entirely more than they could chew with that. Surrogacy can be a fantastic topic in queer storytelling. If I recall, Queer as Folk US did it quite well - over several seasons, mind you. The way they do it here, as a deus ex machina get out of jail free card for Ton's father is cheap, cowardly and frankly insulting. Surrogacy is a topic that deserves to be treated with nuance and respect. They could have used the time they spent on the cheating nonsense developing this plot point more, if they really wanted to go with it. Alternatively, there were a dozen other ways to effectively address the father-son conflict head on.
The saving grace in all this are the side characters, and Khaotung. Hopefully, if he gets another main role, they'll give him something better to work with.
I see your point about the slowness - I noticed the same thing negatively in the other couples. What makes it…
I have seen Gaya Sa Pelikula and thought it was fantastic. To this day, I still have myself a little chuckle sometimes at the thought of Vlad's line about Jesus being a Capricorn.
I have yet to watch ITSAY. When I started getting into Thai BL in a serious way, IPYTM was already announced, so I figured that if I was going to spend 5.99 or however much per episode on Vimeo, I should just make a weekend of it and watch it all in one go. Now, seeing from the sidelines what's going down in IPYTM, I'm at a bit of a loss. I don't, hmmm....do so well with stories about once-beautiful relationships breaking down. What I've decided to do is to wait it out and see what happens tonight, and then depending on whether I think I can handle the ultimate conclusion, I'll either watch ITSAY as a standalone or both together.
I see your point about the slowness - I noticed the same thing negatively in the other couples. What makes it…
Oh, I'm fully aware that my reading of this story is a house of cards of context clues only held together by extending a metric tonne of grace to the writers haha. I don't think anyone could argue that Y Destiny is well done in any conventional sense of the term. franklin_gothic nailed it when they said that this story needs to be redone with an actually good screenwriter.
I couldn't even exactly explain to you why I'm willing to go through the mental gymnastics needed to make this couple work for me. Something about them just grabbed me. I don't know if what I'm basing my reading on is pure coincidence or the writers not being skilled enough to adjust their level of subtext. Either way, it weakens the plot considerably that we don't get to see the early development of the Puth/Kaeng relationship.
In the case of Puth's feelings towards Payu, what makes me think there's an ambiguity there is rooted less in Puth's behaviour towards him specifically but in what he does AROUND that. Again, I think Puth's interest is absolutely sincere - that's why Kaeng feels so threatened by it. But the attraction has this almost aspirational quality to it. Puth knows that Payu is a cut above the rest compared to who he usually goes after, and he cleans up his image SO much in front of him, becomes so polite, accommodating, and wholesome because he knows Payu won't give him the time of day otherwise. I think it's telling when Puth says to Kaeng at the end that he makes him feel comfortable - implying that he had to pretend with Payu to a certain extent.
Combine that with how firmly Puth puts Kaeng in the fwb category. I mean, telling someone you won't date them right when you're about to fuck, when you know that despite your usual player ways, you haven't had encounters with anyone else ever since you started hooking up with that particular person, when you never had an issue with two- or three- or four-timing before? Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Now it could be because the sex is just that good, but then WHY so possessive during the Mon/Team episode?
AND THEN Puth saying to Kaeng that he thought Kaeng would get over his feelings easily because he can find so many other people who would be interested in him? All of that together is my indication that Kaeng is someone Puth wants; Payu is someone Puth wants AND believes he SHOULD want.
What it comes down to in the end is that Kaeng and Puth are just a better fit, and I'm also glad that they take each other out of the equation because, to be very honest, they're both a bit terrible and probably shouldn't be inflicted on other people.
And in the interest of art, here's hoping that BL screenwriters as a whole will one day be good enough that I can just WATCH these complex and nuanced stories instead of having to puzzle them out on the internet lol. On that note, I'm off to watch Country Boy, because now you've piqued my interest.
I see your point about the slowness - I noticed the same thing negatively in the other couples. What makes it…
I think we might be talking about different dinners? The one I was referring to is the one right at the end, with just Kaeng and Puth. I felt sympathy then because it's the first time Kaeng manages to honestly and artlessly communicate his feelings. Before that it's always couched in some form of manipulation.
As for the dinner between Kaeng, Puth and Payu, that version of Kaeng can absolutely go die in a fire. I understand that it comes from a place of desperation and heartsickness, but he's on his worst behaviour here and he was never what you would consider a NICE person to begin with. Puth completely freezing him out in the car afterwards is one of the most satisfying moments for me because Kaeng deserves to be put in his place so much by that point, and because it's the pivotal heartbreak moment for his character when he has to finally face up to the fact that not even his dirtiest tricks can make Puth stay if he doesn't want to. What I feel for Kaeng there is pity instead of sympathy, and not kind pity either. More like "God, you sad little pathetic piece of shit, look what you've done now."
The whole premise might be one big cliché, but if this first episode is any indication of how this series will go, it'll hit the exact spot I need it to hit. The bodyguard trope isn't exactly new, but they make it feel fresh and zany here. I was thoroughly entertained. Props in particular to the Hot Man Cooking montage and the truly clever way they worked in the product placement with the food delivery service.
I see your point about the slowness - I noticed the same thing negatively in the other couples. What makes it…
Well, if you're in the minority, then I'm in the same boat, because I truly like Y Destiny as well. There are objectively better BLs out there, and also ones that I personally enjoy more, but Y Destiny is one of those that make me want to TALK, which is its own kind of standout in my eyes. I finally caved and made this account in large part because of this series.
As for the other couples, well. I haven't watched Thurs/Pao yet, so I can't comment on them. Tue/Ake and Mon/Team were fine. I enjoyed them, but they didn't leave any lasting impressions on me. Sat/Choke and now this most recent episode were true disappointments, unfortunately. With Sat/Choke, especially in the second episode, the screenwriters just dropped the ball for me, and HARD. The reason this makes me actually angry in this particular case is that they borrowed so heavily from 13 Going on 30 as to lift entire dialogue passages, in ENGLISH, and still failed to do it any justice. 13 Going on 30, to me, is one of the prime examples from that golden era of late 90s and early 00s Hollywood romcoms, back when those were still clever and charming, before Katherine Heigl came along and decided to ruin it for the rest of us. That movie is 98 minutes long. The two Sat/Choke episodes are an hour each. How on EARTH do they have less character development, less plot, less humour, less everything? I truly don't understand. They clearly weren't shy about explicitly copying 13 Going on 30, so why couldn't they follow through with that? And why in the absolute hell did they decide to drop all the crucial elements that made that movie work? God, I'm mad. Anyway.
Masuk/Jia/Tir isn't working for me, at least so far, for an entirely different reason. I've already commented on it earlier, but basically, I hate every single post-production decision they've made here, and it ruins my watching experience because those things get on my nerves so intensely that I can't concentrate on anything else. On the one hand, it's the video editing; they love their drawn out slow motion shots at Y Destiny, but in this episode they're basically constant. I think they were going for a measured, somber vibe because of the subject matter of the episode, but because the entire thing is shot like that, the actual key emotional moments don't stand out at all and everything just seems draggy and monotonous. Same thing with the constant melancholy background music. I find it incredibly grating.
As for Sun/Nuea, I quite frankly want to die, I love them so much. Puth/Kaeng made me think more, which is why they're still number 1, but my God, Sun/Nuea is everything to me. Yes, Nuea is about as subtle as a bull in a china shop. But it works for me, for two reasons. One, I love characters who unapologetically go after what they want. Nuea really woke up one day, looked at Sun, decided "yeah ok that one's mine", put on his best cunty little outfit and went to work. Iconic. And he clearly knows what he's doing because Sun gets flustered as all hell. This tactic might not work on everyone, but it clearly did it for Sun, and by extension for me as well. I was legitimately cackling and squealing the entire episode. Which leads me to reason number 2 why it works: Sun strikes me as the type of person who REALLY needs to be hit over the head with the fact that someone is romantically interested in him to get it. Even when Nuea couldn't be more obvious, you can still see Sun going in his head like "wait....me? What? Really? No, no way...really??" I can't really explain why I'm so incredibly charmed by this dynamic, but I am. Nuea is so smol, yet so powerful. Costume department also really worked overtime here - his little pearl necklace? The cropped fur jacket? Stoppp. He's pretty and he knows it and I love that for him. Oh, and ONE MORE THING? The way they're so casually touchy with one another after they get together?? I'm DEAD. As a naturally touchy person myself, I love to see it. Always arm in arm, Nuea constantly in Sun's lap - I want what they have. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to ramble on about them! :D
I think we're all here because we want to support and watch LGBTQ media.
But as a queer person, I'm allowed to want queer media that is well done. Not everything needs to be Moonlight, but I don't think it's wrong to expect something to be done well for what it is. Long Time No See is a great example for a drama with a most likely much lower budget than this that does great things within the confines of that budget.
The fact that people take the time to think and write out opinions and criticisms just shows that they care. It's not about being a hater or wannabe critic. It should be possible to both watch and support these shows and also point out what could hopefully be improved in future projects.
I guess we'll see how it develops over the next few episodes. Boy trying to get accepted into the student council at least has potential to be a neat little plot line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P-bhKXQiKI
That's the official stream on YouTube. I think it'll only be live for another 30 minutes, though.
Anyway, I think I figured out what this production's problem is. They have ZERO confidence in both their scriptwriters' and their actors' abilities to get emotions across effectively. In the case of the script, this is pretty justified, to be fair, but the cast is better than this. There were hints of some genuinely lovely acting moments in there, which I could have enjoyed had they not been BLARING this goddamn soundtrack at me the ENTIRE TIME. Let your actors do their goddamn jobs and communicate emotions to me! Don't drown that out by doing the soundtrack equivalent of yelling at me in the street about how moved and touched I'm supposed to be feeling at any given second!
I'm not even going to comment on the paper thin plot. Honestly, I'm just glad this is over now. Hopefully next week they won't attempt anything beyond their capabilities and I can have a chill fluffy little sendoff for the faves Kaeng/Puth and Sun/Nuea. That's all I ask at this point.
It's a fair question to ask whether this is a story worth telling at all. I'm addressing myself specifically to other queer people right now. In life, generally speaking, it is not your responsibility to coddle someone and hold their hand while they work through their bigotry. If you feel called to do so, great! The world would be in a worse spot if no one ever did. But it is not anyone's duty to perform that kind of emotional labour for someone else, to try and convince them that group xyz deserves basic human dignity. Having said all that, if we accept that this is dramaland and Reform Your Local Homophobe is a storyline we're willing to explore, then I truly don't understand why this show seems to be so universally disliked while something like TharnType has almost a cult following.
Tonhon, for all his faults, is the kind of character that I believe is actually capable learning and growing in this way, and I can also see why there are people in his life willing to work with him. He's not exactly emotionally intelligent and his conflict resolution skills need work, but he's also gregarious, generous, loyal and affectionate. His bigotry rests mainly on very toxic, but also very abstract ideas of manhood. He's the type who would and does change his mind quite readily in the face of people he cares about, and he's the type who would have people around him who care about him enough to stick around while he figures things out.
On that note, I'm not nearly as mad as some people seem to be at Ai, Ni and the rest when they try to get Tonhon to confront his sexuality. Do they go about it in a non-ideal way? Sure! But again, dramaland. Also, if your close friends can't call you out on your bullshit, who can? Having someone see you with loving, but clear eyes is one of the greatest things about friendship.
This series does quite a few things well. Where they lose me is the last few episodes, and I don't think I've ever seen a series that started out decent shit the bed like that. For one thing, the cheating conflict and its resolution make absolutely no sense, and what's worse is that they're entirely unnecessary. Confronting Tonhon's homophobic father would have been enough material for a final conflict before the HEA, but more on that later. With the cheating, first of all I find it very hard to believe that Chon would be so adamant about never forgiving Tonhon. By that point, Amp has been established as an entirely unreliable character, Ai and Ni were present to bear witness to what actually happened but for no reason choose this time to suddenly no longer meddle in their friend's life, and anyway Chon has up until then always been almost too forgiving of Ton. I don't buy the whole thing from start to finish. And the way they chose to resolve it negates literally everything they have done plot wise up until that point. No sense whatsoever. My guess is that they desperately needed more runtime and this was the best they could come up with. Shame.
The surrogacy theme is the final blow in that they just bit off entirely more than they could chew with that. Surrogacy can be a fantastic topic in queer storytelling. If I recall, Queer as Folk US did it quite well - over several seasons, mind you. The way they do it here, as a deus ex machina get out of jail free card for Ton's father is cheap, cowardly and frankly insulting. Surrogacy is a topic that deserves to be treated with nuance and respect. They could have used the time they spent on the cheating nonsense developing this plot point more, if they really wanted to go with it. Alternatively, there were a dozen other ways to effectively address the father-son conflict head on.
The saving grace in all this are the side characters, and Khaotung. Hopefully, if he gets another main role, they'll give him something better to work with.
I have yet to watch ITSAY. When I started getting into Thai BL in a serious way, IPYTM was already announced, so I figured that if I was going to spend 5.99 or however much per episode on Vimeo, I should just make a weekend of it and watch it all in one go. Now, seeing from the sidelines what's going down in IPYTM, I'm at a bit of a loss. I don't, hmmm....do so well with stories about once-beautiful relationships breaking down. What I've decided to do is to wait it out and see what happens tonight, and then depending on whether I think I can handle the ultimate conclusion, I'll either watch ITSAY as a standalone or both together.
I couldn't even exactly explain to you why I'm willing to go through the mental gymnastics needed to make this couple work for me. Something about them just grabbed me. I don't know if what I'm basing my reading on is pure coincidence or the writers not being skilled enough to adjust their level of subtext. Either way, it weakens the plot considerably that we don't get to see the early development of the Puth/Kaeng relationship.
In the case of Puth's feelings towards Payu, what makes me think there's an ambiguity there is rooted less in Puth's behaviour towards him specifically but in what he does AROUND that. Again, I think Puth's interest is absolutely sincere - that's why Kaeng feels so threatened by it. But the attraction has this almost aspirational quality to it. Puth knows that Payu is a cut above the rest compared to who he usually goes after, and he cleans up his image SO much in front of him, becomes so polite, accommodating, and wholesome because he knows Payu won't give him the time of day otherwise. I think it's telling when Puth says to Kaeng at the end that he makes him feel comfortable - implying that he had to pretend with Payu to a certain extent.
Combine that with how firmly Puth puts Kaeng in the fwb category. I mean, telling someone you won't date them right when you're about to fuck, when you know that despite your usual player ways, you haven't had encounters with anyone else ever since you started hooking up with that particular person, when you never had an issue with two- or three- or four-timing before? Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Now it could be because the sex is just that good, but then WHY so possessive during the Mon/Team episode?
AND THEN Puth saying to Kaeng that he thought Kaeng would get over his feelings easily because he can find so many other people who would be interested in him? All of that together is my indication that Kaeng is someone Puth wants; Payu is someone Puth wants AND believes he SHOULD want.
What it comes down to in the end is that Kaeng and Puth are just a better fit, and I'm also glad that they take each other out of the equation because, to be very honest, they're both a bit terrible and probably shouldn't be inflicted on other people.
And in the interest of art, here's hoping that BL screenwriters as a whole will one day be good enough that I can just WATCH these complex and nuanced stories instead of having to puzzle them out on the internet lol. On that note, I'm off to watch Country Boy, because now you've piqued my interest.
As for the dinner between Kaeng, Puth and Payu, that version of Kaeng can absolutely go die in a fire. I understand that it comes from a place of desperation and heartsickness, but he's on his worst behaviour here and he was never what you would consider a NICE person to begin with. Puth completely freezing him out in the car afterwards is one of the most satisfying moments for me because Kaeng deserves to be put in his place so much by that point, and because it's the pivotal heartbreak moment for his character when he has to finally face up to the fact that not even his dirtiest tricks can make Puth stay if he doesn't want to. What I feel for Kaeng there is pity instead of sympathy, and not kind pity either. More like "God, you sad little pathetic piece of shit, look what you've done now."
The whole premise might be one big cliché, but if this first episode is any indication of how this series will go, it'll hit the exact spot I need it to hit. The bodyguard trope isn't exactly new, but they make it feel fresh and zany here. I was thoroughly entertained. Props in particular to the Hot Man Cooking montage and the truly clever way they worked in the product placement with the food delivery service.
I'm excited for next week!
If my overthinking ways could actually land me a job, I wouldn't say no lol
As for the other couples, well.
I haven't watched Thurs/Pao yet, so I can't comment on them. Tue/Ake and Mon/Team were fine. I enjoyed them, but they didn't leave any lasting impressions on me. Sat/Choke and now this most recent episode were true disappointments, unfortunately. With Sat/Choke, especially in the second episode, the screenwriters just dropped the ball for me, and HARD. The reason this makes me actually angry in this particular case is that they borrowed so heavily from 13 Going on 30 as to lift entire dialogue passages, in ENGLISH, and still failed to do it any justice. 13 Going on 30, to me, is one of the prime examples from that golden era of late 90s and early 00s Hollywood romcoms, back when those were still clever and charming, before Katherine Heigl came along and decided to ruin it for the rest of us. That movie is 98 minutes long. The two Sat/Choke episodes are an hour each. How on EARTH do they have less character development, less plot, less humour, less everything? I truly don't understand. They clearly weren't shy about explicitly copying 13 Going on 30, so why couldn't they follow through with that? And why in the absolute hell did they decide to drop all the crucial elements that made that movie work? God, I'm mad. Anyway.
Masuk/Jia/Tir isn't working for me, at least so far, for an entirely different reason. I've already commented on it earlier, but basically, I hate every single post-production decision they've made here, and it ruins my watching experience because those things get on my nerves so intensely that I can't concentrate on anything else. On the one hand, it's the video editing; they love their drawn out slow motion shots at Y Destiny, but in this episode they're basically constant. I think they were going for a measured, somber vibe because of the subject matter of the episode, but because the entire thing is shot like that, the actual key emotional moments don't stand out at all and everything just seems draggy and monotonous. Same thing with the constant melancholy background music. I find it incredibly grating.
As for Sun/Nuea, I quite frankly want to die, I love them so much. Puth/Kaeng made me think more, which is why they're still number 1, but my God, Sun/Nuea is everything to me. Yes, Nuea is about as subtle as a bull in a china shop. But it works for me, for two reasons. One, I love characters who unapologetically go after what they want. Nuea really woke up one day, looked at Sun, decided "yeah ok that one's mine", put on his best cunty little outfit and went to work. Iconic. And he clearly knows what he's doing because Sun gets flustered as all hell. This tactic might not work on everyone, but it clearly did it for Sun, and by extension for me as well. I was legitimately cackling and squealing the entire episode. Which leads me to reason number 2 why it works: Sun strikes me as the type of person who REALLY needs to be hit over the head with the fact that someone is romantically interested in him to get it. Even when Nuea couldn't be more obvious, you can still see Sun going in his head like "wait....me? What? Really? No, no way...really??" I can't really explain why I'm so incredibly charmed by this dynamic, but I am. Nuea is so smol, yet so powerful. Costume department also really worked overtime here - his little pearl necklace? The cropped fur jacket? Stoppp. He's pretty and he knows it and I love that for him.
Oh, and ONE MORE THING? The way they're so casually touchy with one another after they get together?? I'm DEAD. As a naturally touchy person myself, I love to see it. Always arm in arm, Nuea constantly in Sun's lap - I want what they have. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to ramble on about them! :D