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Suddenly remebered something. Prosecutor said he didn't want Dong-hui working at Thristy Deer because he didn't have a good opnion of Seo Ji-hwan but wasn't he the one who sent Dong-hui to spy on the conversations of what he considered a dangerous mob front? Or did the writers forget the rat storyline?

Dong-hui made my heart break. He was convicted, dropped out of school, was driven out of his neighbourhood, and he lost his girlfriend and lives with survivor's guilt and guilt for having caused the accident. This boy has been through so much. Its unfair and harsh to equate his offence with those who have more serious offences/with intent but irony is thank god he ended up hired at a company for ex-cons who see each other as one family.

And while their mannerisms are quite similar(the two actors did a great job of making them feel related) this is where Seo Ji-hwan is different from his father- he acts as a real emperor penguin father to his "Deer gang". His father is obsessed with his only (middle-aged)son without realising *that* is his downfall and weakness. And he first took in his son when he was 16 how did he raise him? If he thinks the betrayal was a good thing why does he care if his son has a girlfriend? Normal parents would like a grandson, a third generation successor, whats with him? I'm curious why he was passing off his gang to his successor all those years ago when he is still fit and fine. Yang-hee was the better solo villain for the drama- over the top, cat coded and unpredictable. Both together are however tiring especially if they all need to be reconciled or something.

Eun-ha's emotions were so raw and real I teared up. I love how natural all her emotions and expressions are. Surprisingly I ship Hong-ki and Ye-na, they fit well together with minimum screentime. The second couple's story is however something of a mess but I'm looking forward to seeing Ji-hwan meet Eun-ha's second parents and his little brother's to be in-laws.
Also the preview...are we Behind Your Touch?? Has that drama created a bunch of new tropes or is it the PTSD it has given so strong? FLs should stop going out stubbornly and hiding it and meeting the SMLs when danger lurks or they'll be a pile of people giving PTSD by the cliffhanger(even with different situations).

This Kdrama is reminding me of Love Between Fairy and Devil a lot. It was much longer and I never wanted to watch long series(>22 episodes) which isn't seasonal before that but I couldn't stop watchig and got so obsessed with it.

Me too. Two of them even directly betrayed the big boss with their Hyungnim and the others will also get pulled in now. They have all lived a normal life these past few years and want to continue but for the villains wanting revenge.

I liked Yang-hee because he was so funny, cat-themed and weak, dumb and sneaky and the whole cat-dog rivalry was comic but I'm frustrated by the scary obsessed dad who seems to be too all powerful. And all the parallels drawn in their mannerisms too...

That flashback scene where scared little girl started crying while he was trying to be sweet by giving her back her toy and making funny faces though. Also his drunk power rangers roleplay. The show is a bit on the nose about how children find them scary just because they are "bad men". They are well dressed ahjussis. No kid is really going to cry looking at these weird uncles(like especially Man-ho is so cute looking) if they aren't menacing looking like say Kang-gil the scarred mean guy.

I think in Korea its called Inyeon, its quite common elsewhere too and depending on where the what happens differs in details. The reincarnation/time travel thing must also be something not only KDramas but other dramas have them too. More honestly, having two men vying for the hand in a Cinderella fantasy is what gets on my nerves much more as they just cannot stop making the formulaic character roles every third KDrama not to mention the standard noble idiocy and tragic backstory in some. On the other hand theres plenty of KDramas that diverge from the mould making them stand out as brilliant. And at least this one is well done which is what is needed when so many others fail to make the typical formula sparkle becuase they just use it without putting in the effort to make it dramatic on screen.

This KDrama is based on a webnovel. Webnovels are basic like dime novels almost all with similar plot which are also similar in generic shojo manga so I can't blame KDramas alone where SML trope and the formulaic noble idiocy are also so rife and annoying yet typical. They could have erased the childhood connection which only had 3 year age gap, here they bring it 6 years to make it closer to both MLs real ages. Its odd their connection would be romantic as children at ages 7 and 13 so in way its ridiculous to see it as romantic in the start of childhood but as fate that they are fated to find each other just like how Hyun-woo and Ji-hwan are tied by fate of their coincidences too. The problem here is going forward I feel theres a potential of the trope being revealed cauing both noble idiocy maybe or will also effectively reduce her reasons for wanting to be together with him which otherwise would have been accepting him for himself. She already indirectly caused Man-ho to cover up his dragon tattoos while he was being himself before and even if the Deer gang love her as their found family uncondictionally makes her change of opinion a little one-sided.

Brother: In Dong-hui's backstory the girl's brother who saw him in the cafe and made him flee. Their video being uploaded online public's consequence maybe... The webtoon's name is "Playing with the hot gangster", one can find the eng translations using search. Its on a few pirat sites and the the translations can be slightly wonky. There isn't anything I found yet about the webnovel. Theres quite a bit of differences and like the Deers here are quite more like CLOY's Ducklings.

Hometown I feel can get weird in places even with some great actors' and the horror vibe but that was the first time I'd ever seen Uhm Tae-goo and he was so charismatic and scary and tragic and...I cannot describe it- his voice too was so hypnotic. I recently saw Save Me 2 and he is so good there too. He is an antihero there and has so much range. His action scenes are something else too- the way he moves in general too.

Since this is adapted from a webnovel/webtoon shes the typical villainess trope who keeps trying to sabotage FL out of envy and woo the ML she feels he deserves. Yena is competitive and a go-getter. But her levels I found it ridiculous her plan was doing advertising for their company even though she can't eat their product to get ML's attention.

In the recent episode Ji-hwan is given that parallel as Yena said that they are the type to do anything to survive. His father simply wanted to make him aware he was his father at 13 so that he'll come to him on his own one day and lets him go. Instead of that time he got kidnapped, 3 years later when he is 16 his mom is dying and he goes to his father for money himself, his father tells him this puts him in debt to him and he accepts that debt to him and tells Eun-ha taking his father's help and then joining him was his own choice. From Jae-su's (who was also in the gang) perpective everyone sees him forced into joining the gang with no choice because his father was determined to make him his sucessor. Even if traumatized Ji-hwan rationalizes everything as his own choice and mostly he seems ashamed and guilty of his past as a gangster that killed the Hyun-woo he used to be and wanted to be. In a way he buried his Hyun-woo self in the grave in their garden too and its too painful a subject for him.

I feel so too they went about developing the relation the wrong way around especially since he made a mistake about mistakes and then is making more mistakes about the usual "mistake"(baby) so the relationship is offputting even though they have great chemistry. Also they should have done the reveal about Il-yeong's past as an orphan(his talk with Ji-hwan paying his tuition and him being in a gang that young weren't clear at all) and clarified why he was a "player with no strings attached" earlier when they first called him a player than making this plotline.

The way I see it he has all the power in that situation and his sibling rivalry with Ji-hwan is such that whatever happens in that moment he thinks he'll "win" and he's all giddy because of that. I don't think he went there knowing Ji-hwan would show up right then and more like he went there because he wanted to malign Ji-hwan to his love interest and sending a message back. What we have seen is he wants to hurt Ji-hwan and possibly wants to see him dragged down by losing it and becoming what he hates once again. In this scneario Ji-hwan was desperate and about to lose it saying lets go somewehere private. By staying in this public place with witnesses, phone cameras and CCTVs, where they can at most have a scuffle but an actual fight/bloodbath will lead Ji-hwan to make that one mistake that will cost him everything he has built up till now(lose by losing it) so he knows the location is a major deterrent to him doing anything serious unlike his weak kitty shields because his own turf wasn't a deterrent to Ji-hwan. Yang-hee is the one person Ji-hwan is shown physically violent towards often even though he holds back otherwise(he did also accidentally choke Eun-ha that one time he thought she was an intruder maybe Yang-hee). And any of it in front of this woman will torture Ji-hwan mentally, which was possibly the original plan, planting the seeds of conflict between them and the fear and unhingedness he saw in Ji-hwan the day he first brought her up. Yang-hee guesses this woman is an ordinary citizen who has most likely never known the depths of his criminal past. He is sneaky and now also knows about SML's connection to FL. And by the final scene its clear his threat plan that fortuitously became one to one has really done the job of unsettling Ji-hwan.

I personally got put off by SML when he told Eun-ha "You're mistaken I don't get rejected" in episode 4 when talking about his old bad date who left him in the rain with the words "I'm the one rejecting you". No matter how materialistic his date was what they showed became ambiguous but mostly negative for him by framing it this way. Instead of making him say 'I don't get rejected' he should have clarified about not vibing with her but they didn't. This single line thus unfortunately colored my perception of him and I immediately recalled it seeing how he acted when he got rejected by FL. He applied the insight he heard from officer Song and reassured her so they can keep seeing each other but then he goes and ruins it all and says something entirely different to Seo Ji-hwan including how he assumes this will be a short stay for her, assessing fully well they are obviously together, and all because he will not let go of his prejudice of Seo Ji-hwan and beacuse he isn't giving up on pursuing her yet(even if its only because he truly believes that relationship will never work out and because she didn't fully reject him).

I keep thinking of the ML of Behind Your Touch who wasn't remotely an ideal guy at least(I liked his Lassiter-ness otherwise but for how he hounded SML even though the scriptwriters royally messed up), its this SML's holier than thou attitude with his prejudices against ML that never really progress every episode making it as nervewracking as Yena's harassment of FL(which ironically stems from Kang Yena being spiteful and envious due to her perceived FL's holier than thou purity) even though she barely appears in a few episodes(this KDrama is idealistic and so everyone will be friends by end but still the journey is too ardurous). Kang Yena is also like SML and BYT's ML in that they are all correct in what they are warning about and concerned about, but of course fools in love don't want to listen and the universe doesn't want to devote time to allow for slow relationship developments and big stakes must play out along with every variety of idiocy(goguma) especially on the main leads parts. Yena is unfortunately a typical web novel villainess(actually shes not as bad but we are only shown that perpective whenever we see her)whose role is only to move the plot but seeing her interact with Hong-ki made me wish they could have given us proper moments of her. And thats my other problem with SML he has too much screentime when I'm comparing notes on a certain thing. If Hong-ki and Il-yeong's backstories can be done that concise why drag out Dong-hui's to keep bringing in the SML back to make it about him interacting with FL and ML(this cliffhanger too ends on a note implying that SML might head to their offices and this is the brother of that girl but I hope I'm wrong about the SML arriving there). I love the Deer gang so much I really wish we could have had more about them by themselves, we didn't even hear their self-introductions and FL tells SML about their hilarious maths lesson(thus he ate up one of their moments from the webtoon for character development) but we never see any of the lessons proper unlike in the webtoon. The KDrama completely skips out on fleshing out the Deers and their backgrounds despite giving them names(and only something small in their character intros) unlike the webtoon. Reading the webtoon(which is only translated till ch 20) theres many aspects I feel the KDrama missed with some important points by deleting or rearranging things especially the lead's actual perspective outside of silent brooding.

For clarification, the banner which made her apply for this position as Lim Sun spells out the following:- "Have you wasted your time doing nothing? Does your future seem too bleak to start anew? As long as you have passion, anyone can do it! All ages, genders, and educational backgrounds are welcome....." [accompanying image is of old people with white hair and walking sticks]
The banner at the interview site reads: "Public jobs for displaced workers" and "Seohan City Hall Senior Internship Proglam" (- netflix subs)

They were hired with a fancy title senior interns but are basically cleaning/janitorial/menial "intern" staff at the government office building instead of given actual jobs by experience or qualifications. This type of jobs are more often subcontracted but I don't know in Korea. And she only ends up the assisstant because Gye threw out his previous one and instead of taking the effort of reassigning or hiring someone else his frustrated boss literally invented a similar position as the extra reward he promised at acid attack function felicitating Lim Sun. So in a way shes not officially hired by the prosecution with all its checks but hired and moved to a made up assisstant position while under the senior internship program. I don't know about that much about what it really is like in Korea, google says this type of senior employment programs exists. Here the drama's theme is ageism(and to match the actor's age)so the senior hire ages are from >50s instead of >60s(Lim Sun is the youngest senior intern at 55 so not a senior citizen; but the poster had advertised all ages can apply and "displaced workers").

As for the necessary documents she found the resident registration paper of their family which presumably her mother never had had amended in all these years in hopes her aunt will come back someday and her aunt's national identity number was on it in full. She presumably wrote her current address as Ga-young's(I'm not fully sure about this, since the gifts were sent to that address). Her aunt worked in a bank so aunt Lim Sun's educational qualifications at least must have been okay and easy to check with her mom and I don't know if they needed any papers(those too could have been in those boxes of aunt's things)since mostly a resume should have been enough. The hiring reasons given for the interns vary from experience(ex-detective) to disability to nepotism. It all mainly seems for the plot so she is where they need her to be working with enough leeway. Likewise I'm not sure about the rules of military public service either and if Ko Won could have been reassigned like that to yet another made up position due to a napkin promise.

About that netflix has chosen to translate the dialogue of the landlord about Mi-jin's dad in ep 2 as "His wife beats him"(maybe its different in other subs? theres no evidence of it so more likely it was a joke) and I was thinking why do they like this trope of Bong-soon's mom(already her matchmaking) but then found out its just the same director, like oh. But, the "Son-in-law" part majorly.... The toilet humor and gay jokes are minimum, close to 0(thank god)... But still once one knows its the same director the thought goes oh he sure likes to include this and that type things even if its not 1:1 the same and the contexts are different. Not easter eggs I'm not sure what it is. Like after finding out I also see a similarity between Mi-jin and Bong-soon I never did before. Its nothing the same and yet... I really like the parents in this though too unlike SWDBS. They are really loving parents and spouses.

Yeah right. Reading the whole comment section, you both clearly are only having ship wars with anybody and everybody(literally pure bias). I wrote a neutral fact making a comment based "not" on ML/SMLxFL romance preferences but what it is, and whats in the character pages too. But wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with either of you. Neither Gye nor Ju are 45 let alone the 50s which would be the proper dad's age for a 28 year old. The ML actor looks like a typical ML of his age group, like say, Lee Min-ho, round about they are the same age or say the older Lee Jin-uk(42). But neither prosecutor Gye nor Mr Ju(a married 40-something nosy parker who is not a love interest but a comic relief character), neither look old enough to have a child who is almost 30. My preference is not romantic like you two but actors and their characters(actresses included in actors in case my english is throwing you all off) especially the under-appreciated non-leads.

But its blatantly shipping goggles for both of you who want to see everything only in the romance angle and it gets fairly biased enough to go "too far" with your tirades. I mean it- I've seen this same round of arguments with the same complaints with other dramas(like the one I mentioned before BYT where the two main leads are ironically of a similar age 38-40 yet the comments were the same as this about looks and born purely of shipwars. Saying they don't fit a couple vibe is valid but looks don't match because of the age making them look father and daughter? Similarly in My Sweet Mobster the two MLs are exactly the same age older than the FL...) And its always the same framework of arguments. Curate your own viewing preferences based on cast press releases or tags and feedbacks the next time. Oh and to bring in SWDBS since the director is the same FL, ML and SML in that were 27/28 in canon, but all felt 25-ish or less with their vibes. Here the SML to me is like that- seems younger for his age, FL has the maturity for her age because she isn't anything like the FL of SWDBS and seems more like a Noona. And even the other half is like a proper young at heart aunty vibe in Lim Soon form, not at all behaving like an immature twenties young girl like Bong-soon in an ajumma's body but enough like a mature woman. ML looks his age, acts his age and is believable as prosecutor who has worked many years.

It was enough for you to stop at "I don't like age gaps" even a 5 year one is a issue. You can say it in a proper way rather than going into this whole rude thing about how "going-to-be-40" year old looks exactly like his ambiguously middle-aged looking colleague who is supposed to look natural and both look like "going-to-be-30" year old girls dads. I'd understand if it really was someone like that as a character relations require or much older actors but its not the case here and might be more of you literally being that young that you get icks from someone of above 35 and call them "boomers", maybe, I don't know, unlike that other commentor I can't picture either of you. But truth be told that comment of yours is in bad taste and is what is being responded to since a lot of KDrama fandom has been around for very long time. I get icks too with things which are similar to the normal age gap issue people have(like in Doona, a real case) and its okay to say just that much "I don't like age gaps and I don't like these two's pairing". Lots of people have said chemistry is not chemistrying for them and you could have simply said it like that or how their character and personalities themselves clash and are not your cup of tea or the actor looks old to you personally and is not your cup of tea without specifying it in rude details.

But you didn't do that. There is literally no excuse to make immature potshots about looks as if thats all you care about from the acting industry already infamous about lookism as its core and then not expect to be responded to. And taking potshots at the actors themsleves as if what you actually prefer in that logic is that asian actors should be cast only if they look pretty and babyfaced all their lives or are make up/plastic surgery/photoshopped enough to a play a character their own age because they should always look much younger and artificial than their real age then only you will watch the show if they don't look like aged old people and "parents of adults" to you. Thats a deep bias. As I said its not like the older male actors are playing a 28 year old(nor a 45+ dad) and both are not being shipped with someone who is their daughter's age irl nor in the show. Your comment was in poor taste, and please try to amend your attitude in the future no matter how carried away you get with shipwars and rephrase things better.

No I was talking about Mr Ju whose actor is only 42 and making an observation that he doesn't actually look old enough to have two children who are 28. You do realise to be a dad it has to be almost a 20 year age gap right? And to add to it, Ju and Gye actors also have a five year "age gap" while looking nothing like they are the same age due to Ju's natural look contrasted to the ML's typical ML look. Mr Ju is also a married man in the drama and that scene shouldn't have been intended to look like a double date like at all. The SML looks too young for his age and could easily do a school Kdrama but I'm was not commenting that either. The FL does look like her late 20s and early 30s. And think of this- the actress for prosecutor Tak is supposed to the same age/year older in the canon than Gye yet her actress is younger too but it doesn't seem that odd because thats how casting works. I am compelled to clarify I like the older middle-aged set of actors especially support actors rather than the 18-39 lead actors. You see the problem there? I am nowhere near either of your thoughts. Where the two of you even jumped to your own wild conclusions from what I wrote I don't know. I do have a feeling my reply came out the way it did because of the Behind Your Touch comparisons I keep reading and thinking of and how here in this KDrama it isn't as if the ML is also made to be the same age as the SML and too young by the direct contrast of their looks and instead he is kept the ~35 age he is in the character description pages(ironically the FL in BYT was older than both irl and in the drama but looked younger than them). But nowhere was I making any declarations like the ML looks too old for the FL. What's wrong with a man in his 30s? You decided he was 45 on your own. And Lim Soon is only 54 and in that case easily a noona in her own right. And you both twisted what I said to your own biases which was ironically identical.

I wrote a whole scathing post but decided to give you one benefit of the doubt. Re-read my post and think a little before you hit the post button. I even left my tiny typo of be as eb. Just try and explain what you even (mis)understood line by line?