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Oh see I wasn't aware that it was fake news - honestly I think it was on Twitter but it could have been YouTube,. I didn't really mark down my sources because I'm not an influencer or personality or anything like that. I didn't know it might be relevant later so I apologize that I don't have the source. I maybe can search through my history.

Ahhh I see what you are saying. Kinda like that one person tells the person next to them a short story, then that person does the same to the person next to them and by the time you get to the last person the story is completely (or almost) different. Yeah I was emotional and not thinking, didn't even think to verify so that's my fault. If the agency didn't ban M/M kissing then maybe it was a narrative decision? But yes from now on I'll do better to investigate before I take other's takes as truth. I do that with everything else (like politics) but I guess I wasn't doing it with BL.

Thank you for informing me! That really helps to put things in perspective. Again I'm grateful for the community here which has been amazing and so kind!

You know I didn't actually think about that, but it's so true! Never has he once used his ability to make a personal gain at the expense of another. Never has he once used it to harm another, or financially benefit. That takes extraordinary self-control and ethics to refrain from such a temptation. In that way Adachi is better than even most GOOD people :)

I've noticed, not in all, but in a lot of Japanese BL that the issue of homophobia isn't typically as big a topic as say South Korean or even Thai sometimes. The issues are as you said, more on a personal level of "this person is out of my reach" or "this person annoys me but I still like them" lol. LMAO I know what you mean by 'straight' lol. On the level, evened out, in harmony with oneself.

Chemistry, I'll admit, not only makes all the difference for me personally but it's a requirement haha! If two guys just don't jive, I lose interest. But when I see two guys who are so comfortable, so professional and feel so REAL in their interactions with one another - it gets me hooked. If they can convince me, they are not only good actors to me but inspirational. Yeah even with the lack of a kiss-scene (I usually at least want one unless they just touch lips, then that just disappoints) but the lack of cuddling/prolonged hugging too is usually a lot for me to get over - hence why I went into a childish rant the other day lol! It's because these guys are SO GOOD together I felt they could do more like other BL, but I didn't know about the whole contract thing and the agencies requirements (which I totally disagree with) being as they are. But I've gotten over it and I'm willing to make a special exception for this series after chatting with others on here. And also by the very fact that I do REALLY like this BL pairing, they have amazing chemistry and are really good actors! Ah yes, I really wasn't feeling the second couple. As before I just don't feel the chemistry and I, well lost interest haha! Thankfully most of the screentime goes to Kurosawa/Adachi. Oh I could too, I'll say something very unpopular in the BL world.... I loved SOTUS but I didn't care for SingtoKrist. Ok, I ADORE LOVE CHERISH Singto, he's absolutely AMAZING! Krist, however, always felt like he was forcing himself to get through the scenes and didn't jive with Singto even though Singto jived with him. LOL just one of my unpopular BL opinions lol. But I understand why people love them, it was a really good series.

Yes, I know a lot of Thai actors only dip their foot into the BL scene - there are some though who actually like doing BL and do it more often. MaxTul were really stiff because Max didn't understand his character and admitted to being uncomfortable at first, but yes he talked about how playing Korn opened his mind and heart and yes by TWM he and Tul were fire! I love it that he was positively influenced through his experience playing Korn :) Oh my that's why I LOVE TharnType, Mew and Gulf's chemistry! The way they play off each other so well, the slight chuckling grin Type gives Tharn when he's trying to act all annoyed SO COOOOOOT!!!! Sorry lol total fanboy here. Yes, I love the chemistry AND the comfort! It makes me feel good watching them and they make me believe! The better the chemistry and comfort, typically the better the acting too! Oh I've been watching tale of 1000 stars with my BF, he's a MAJOR Earth fan so he's loving it :) I think Earth is underappreciated so its nice to see someone bring his BL up :) And I agree the chemistry is there also. Oh I was wondering why I haven't seen Mix before - first role that's amazing! I can tolerate (even though I still think its kinda backwards thinking) agencies censoring certain elements in other countries - they have different laws and customs. I think actor discomfort is a bit inexcusable though - to me it's like WHY did you take the job then? They knew what they were getting into lol! It would be like becoming a cashier and then feeling uncomfortable touching money or dealing with customers lol! IMO

Yes Filipino BL, like Japanese BL and some Thai, is hit and miss for me. But when I see a Filipino BL I like - I LOVE IT! The Filipino BL I tend to not like are the more serious ones - not because they are particularly bad but sometimes just TOO depressing. BL is my happy source lmao! I only like happy endings in BL, I know that's limiting but the world is sad enough - I want love and happiness!!! :P But that's just me and I don't speak for others.

Awwww thank you! I really feel bad about how I acted and everyone so far has been so cool about it that I feel shamed - but in a GOOD way that helps me to do better! I know what you mean, some people end up digging trenches so deep they can't even get out of it with a ladder. Thank you I really appreciate your words! And the conversation as well :) I'm having WAY more fun then simply complaining about things I didn't fully understand at the time. I respect people like you and the others on here who really didn't have to even bother with me and yet you guys helped pull me out of the trenches and off the battlefield (I love metaphors :P). So thank you again for your response! You fine people just keep on making me smile :P

Its true I'm used to more hostile threads and especially on YouTube. Had me in the wrong mindset. And thank you :)

He definitely is - he's always there for me and loves me unconditionally which is more than I feel I deserve at times lol. Yeah I hate hate....:P I don't want all my anger to be misunderstood as hate though, I get mad at people I love so sometimes I get mad over things I like. Like this series, I really do like the main leads and their story. I definitely don't hate it but I understand how my outrageous outrage could have been seen as such. If I truly dislike something, I'll make a passing comment and then move on, I wouldn't write a novella on why I didn't like it lol. Disappointment usually gets me to do that, I get these pre-conceived notions when I like a series and there will be times I don't get what I thought I was going to get and then... boom! Man-child is born! Well not all the time but when I'm at my weakest. I had a similar reaction to Make Our Days Count, absolutely loved the series and then I watched the final episode...thank GOODNESS for that alt ending for their story in Love on the Line (err I think that's what it's called). Oops writing too much again lol.

Yeah I'll finish the series. And nothing is perfect objectively :P I'm really happy you could build a community around a show you all love. I mean discussing BL on here is how I met my guy, so I know the relationships formed can be pretty solid ones :)

LMAO! Me and my BF did the same thing with Until We Meet Again and counting how many times we heard "P'Dean!!!" lol and how many times Fluke cried lmao! He's really good at crying for a scene. OH, I didn't know she was asexual. LMAO true Kurosawa does smile at/because of Adachi a lot :) A lot of that is what kept me watching (until I read a freaking spoiler ugh) if I had just finished it first like I normally do I would have not made an ass of myself lol. Oh that's really cool! I don't know what if anything my government tells me is true but I was under the impression that Chinese people couldn't access the internet freely? Like its heavily censored and LGBT+ is on the list of censored things because of Xi so they wouldn't be able to see it? I guess there are VPNs though. Anyways it might all be bunk from the good ol' US gov. Glad Chinese fans have a way of watching from the mainland :)

Well that's show surgery and I have jittery hands lol! You delve deep into the lore and analyse it :) I do that on a micro scale with certain scenes, especially when I'm talking with my BF about an episode we just watched. We often have difference interpretations of glances/looks, body language, implication of certain ways of saying things. Stuff like that :) so we both go back and forth trying to convince the other but if that doesn't work we accept our difference and let the show explain itself (hopefully lol) as we continue to watch. Yeah I always like looking into the extra stuff, I'm probably not as avid as you and your fellows but I do like to check it out when I have the time.

I appreciate that too! And thank you again :) I think now that I've got the angry nasties outta my system and physically I'm feeling better I have little excuse not to enjoy it if I keep an open mind. And no problem thanks for sending it :) Sorry for the late reply, I was in bed lol now I gotta get ready for the day at 5am lmao :O :P

Hey hey a BL with a good rating, I'm watching right now then!
*OMG this was so freaking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!! Absolutely just, so freaking amazing!!! I hope there's a continuation because it seems like they were kinda setting something up there at the end - these guys are just so good together! They felt so real! Great chemistry, such a realistic approach and just this powerful natural feeling between the two. I know they are actors but they've got me convinced!!! I know Taiwan is good at making BL but I did not expect to be so moved! I'm still teary from it, it just makes me so happy! :D 10/10 would DEFINITELY watch again!

EEEEEE! more! I know sequels are a scary thing for BL but I can't help it, I wanna see more!!!!

How did a Copter BL slip under my radar!?

Okay okay, I really liked this one and the leads were GREAT! But... is it wrong that I still ship Oh and Bas? Bas is such a good friend and person I freaking loved his character!

Well I admire RandomUsagi too, I'm really not a bad guy. A little opinionated and definitely angry and insensitive earlier but I hope that doesn't paint a broad stroke of who I actually am. I have some issues with anger and I should know better not to do what I did - I can't say that I can't help myself because that's not true if I would just calm down and actually exercise some self-restraint. Anyways I apologize to you too, I tried marking my long-winded screeds with spoiler so it collapses most of them lol, takes up a lot of room.

Thank you! I was in a pissy mood and I acted like an ill-mannered child so I apologize for any distress I caused you. I hate getting angry because sometimes I lose control so I need to get a hold of myself when I feel the fire and calm down before exposing my underbelly to the entire net. My embarrassment is my just punishment for such explosive unchecked aggression. Egg is on my face, next to the crow hanging out of my mouth lmao! RandomUsagi is amazing - the people who help me grow are the ones I appreciate most, even if they are strangers. I've gotten to used to being on the defensive that I strike out before thinking and that's immature of me. I have my own BL's that are so personal to me, at the time I didn't think how what I said could be taken in so many different ways from so many people and that it might hurt each one uniquely which was never my intent but regardless that may have been the result and that's what matters. When I'm calm, I'm reasonable. When I'm pissy, I'm a jerk. So the best way for me to prevent further troubles is to just NOT POST when I'm angry. Calm down first, think about things, then post. Its so simple and yet me being swept away in the heat of the moment shows I have much to learn.

Woooooo and here I thought "I" could do a rant! Lmao maybe I'm just long-winded in mine lol! I still haven't watched this, I'm almost curious to see how bad it actually is considering how much I LOVED (minus that one scene, you know the one) the first season. But at the same time I might just end up back here yelling lol! I'm seeing that it was disjointed, confusing, ill-paced, narratively lazy and there's no Saint. Well I know at least one of those is DEFINITELY true! I miss Saint :(

I don't know about the story reason, I didn't watch this when it aired because Saint was my favorite. But there was vicious rumors spread about Saint by Perth's management (NOT Perth) and it caused a WHOLE drama BTS and Saint ended up either leaving or being dropped. I blame Perth's management for ruining what would have been a better series imo if Saint was a part of it, but I'm a total Saint fanboy so I'm hardly impartial.
*Oh I might be misremembering but I think I heard Perth has new management now, I really hope so.

Well I'm glad there are people like you who are willing to talk an angry person like me down and get me to actually think about how I handle my opinions and how I express them. These kind of conversations are important and help build bridges.

Ugh I really feel bad that I imposed myself on this comment section with such negatively. I'm better than this so I need to act like it. That's really kewl! I'm glad you've built up a nice community of fellow BL lovers of this series :P

OH I feel way too lucky, he's a major reason why I'm actually reflecting now. In the past, I would have just gotten angrier (I have clinical and diagnosed anger management problems) but ever since he's entered my life - I just feel like hate is such a waste of time and even though I still have my moments of outburst - they are far less frequent. He just makes me so happy and I feel so much love from him I feel unworthy. This site has some really neat people and although I've gotten on the bad side of some, most of my interactions are very good!

I will, I already updated my watchlist and took it off dropped and back onto currently watching. And thank you! I promise to drop the attitude at the door if I drop in again hehe :)

I've had experiences like that with other BL - yes it really is so much fun experiencing a BL as it airs and then discussing it with fellow fans after. It can be the most fun thing ever to me at times! Ahh I guess I understand even more so why I might have offended others - I didn't think about how dear some people hold this BL to their hearts so I was being insensitive. I feel so much better now! I've kinda discussed this with two other commentors and its also been very constructive. One of them we butted head at first but I think we are now at a level of civility that allows for good discussion. And I accepted your friend request :) thank you for the invite! Love and hugs!!!

Yes Mame has written WONDERFUL characters but really dropped the ball on that one, I totally agree. I finished TT2 and I did like it, although I wasn't feeling Fiat and Leo lmao! Love the actors, just wasn't feeling the chemistry. First one is still better but as far as sequels go I thought it was decent. My opinion of course lol, I understand why others might find it lacking or the story being a little too cliche or similar to others.

Actually I hadn't considered that, now that you point that out his reactions make a LOT more sense to me. Yeah gay-panic gets a bit old and I was kinda thinking that what was going on here but you helped me to see it a different way. Yeah no one likes the typical thug "let's mess up your day" characters ftmp haha! Oh and I like the girl who works with them, she's very nice and her voice is soothing.

YES! I love it when the actors have natural and believable chemistry and seem to be really comfortable with each other in what would otherwise be a nerve-wrecking scene for some to do. Sometimes I'm satisfied with just one kiss at the end if the story is good, the characters strong and the ending happy haha! I tend to want more skinship when the BL starts to bore me haha I admit that. It's like, give me SOME reason to continue watching haha! But yes I plan to continue Cherry Magic even though there's no lead kiss because I really do love their chemistry and the story is intriguing. Ahhhh yes, those BL that constantly come close but never quite hit that satisfying mark, I get ya. You are right, the love both leads have for each other is very apparent and I went to hard on the "no kiss" thing because I misread it as homophobic - I tend to be TOO protective over such things. Not only gestures, we literally know what they are thinking haha!!! :P

OH MY the hubby/wife thing!!!! I love Thai BL but they do that WAY too much even in my favorite series'. I guess it was my misconception of a self-imposed hetero-normativity that was being pushed by BL, but didn't know it was a part of their gay culture. Yes that's exactly how I felt! Cross-cultural differences lead to so many misunderstandings at times. Yes because in the west, calling the passive/bottom/receiving partner a wife is typically seen as demeaning as it comes off as heteronormative and a little sexist to some. I'm a little more closed-minded than I'd like to be then, its really difficult learning one way and then trying to learn a way that goes against what one has already learnt lmao!

OH OH I'm so proud of the Philippines! They have made some really good ones recently that REALLY addressed some things in the gay community I recognize and identify with! Yes I totally agree with you on that! Some low-budgets are better than high-budgets haha! Ahhh I need to watch Gameboys, I'll probably watch that one with my BF who is Filipino :D We watched my day the series together. Oh and me and my BF did watch Gaya Sa Pelikula - such a cute series! I need to update my watchlist haha!

Yes I was kinda unloading all my BL frustrations onto one series and that's not fair. I was being too generalistic. Thank you for your reply! I love your approach to a jerk like me haha :P

Yeah I was writing it and I thought, do I even REALLY agree with all of this or am I just trying to defend a position I don't even really support simply because that's my gut reaction? Thank you for that, I wasn't looking to fight (debate yes) but not fight and I just got emotional over silly things.

1- You are right, I got too emotional and should calm down before posting. I've actually been better at it but every now and then I fall back into bad behavior so I gotta exercise better self-control.

2- Completely agreed here.

3- I understand that, but since words have many meanings and uses I just felt that my use wasn't out of the realm of reality as I used it appropriately albeit clumsily. But yes some people have a more narrowed use of certain words or what they mean. For example, the Q word (for gay people) was used to insult and disparage me so I get offended when LGBT+ use that word to describe themselves BUT I know they don't mean it negatively. Still the word has power to me, so yes I think I understand where you are coming from at least a little bit.

4- Well I withdrew my comment about the actors, I forget actors in other countries have less creative control over the characters they play so that was my misunderstanding. BUT the agencies DO pull a lot of BS, and not just in Japan but everywhere. I read that one of the actors has it in his contract that he CANNOT kiss another male (females are okay), I found that weird and thought it was his own personal choice but I guess it wasn't. So I don't hold that against him.

5- In the US, people get censored and deplatformed for silly reasons. A friend of mine got demonetized because he discussed gay rights issues on YT so I'm extra sensitive to ANY perceived censorship. I know now I went too far and that's why I'm walking back my harsher claims. From now on if I use a problematic word I'm going to go into GREAT detail about what exactly I mean lmao! My nation has neighbor hating neighbor, contested election, attempted insurrection, and both sides fighting dirty so I definitely need an escape from that lol, and I do now feel bad that my comments might make some people feel attacked when they just wanted an escape. I know how I feel when my escapism its abruptly interrupted lol. I'm a mean person on the internet sometimes, but in person (as is with most people) I'm much less confrontational. There's just something about the darn internet that makes being inconsiderate easier and I don't like that about myself. I am trying to be better. Thank you for explaining your positions to me and taking the time to work things out. :)

Yeah i'm used to getting in the mud in some comment sections too, lol so its got me in fight mode! Lol nah no excuse for my bad behavior but yeah emotions get high sometimes. That's very true. Some of the best BL convos I have are on here. Like with you :) Oh I like watching all the extra stuff I can too, especially when its got subtitles but I'll even watch it even if I can't understand at times haha!

Yeah I understand that now so thank you for pointing that out to me.

He's the sweetest person on Earth! I love him so much and my life is infinitely better with him in it :D LOL I know right? I didn't expect it but it happened. He later told me he made his account just to send me a message haha! I will and thank you! I wish he came on here more often, he could rein me in when I get out of hand! lol I joke because that's not his responsibility.

Its so weird because I take your approach more often now too. I see a post that makes me mad, but then I try to reason with them nicely. BUT when its me posting then I just let the spit fly sometimes lmao! I admit, I was in a bad mood but still no excuse because everyone has bad moods at times. I agree with you and you are far more mature than I can be at times.

Yes I added to my watch queue and I'll be watching it with lunch a little later :) Thanks again for that, I come off as closed-minded or irrational at times but I really do want to understand. I don't like getting upset over little things or upsetting people I didn't intend to offend. I don't wanna be like that. I wanna be approachable lol.

I'm truly sorry if I offended you, I just don't want to fight anymore. I was angry at the time, now that I've had time to calm down and rethink things after talking with the other commentor - I just don't have a reason to continue to defend a position I'm not even sure I totally agree with anymore. Love and hugs, sorry I made a bad impression.

That's why my criticism wasn't targeted at people on here so I probably should have kept that to myself because its on YouTube and other sites I see it most. Emotionally reactionary for me to bring it up, I should have just calmed down before posting.

Ugh I'm really bad at communicating myself clearly sometimes and that's my fault. I'm glad you see where I'm coming from and yes sometimes I use the wrong words or uncharitably attribute them to one's of which they don't apply. I got issues myself and yes I could blame lockdown (I really miss my family and friends) but then everyone else is dealing with the same thing ftmp so I shouldn't feel alone. Thank you, I'll use that term from now on, I wasn't trying to say some BL fans are anti-women or murderers lmao! Definitely NOT trying to say that, I'm sorry if that was the implication.

Yeah he contacted me first :) We've LITERALLY talked everyday for over 2 years since I've met him :D Everyone on here would like him SO MUCH more than me haha! He's such a sweetheart and for some reason loves me haha! And I love him more than anything! :D YES! We watch BL together any chance we get, he's my guiding star in this dark world.

Oh ok I'll check that out. Yeah I'm probably one of the people who get the wrong idea haha! Again I just wanna say thank you for taking the time to chat this out. I feel a lot better and honestly embarrassed and silly which I should. I went too far and started a few fights I really wish hadn't happened. I just don't think ahead sometimes. I REALLY need to be calm before I post, kinda like how I am now lol.

No problem, I didn't mean to draw a false equivalence between them because even I know they are very different lmao!

Incel term was referring to people who actively disparage physical intimacy, either because of jealousy or insecurity. I doubt that applies to the vast majority of fans of any show really. And also, to me someone who refrains from physical intimacy isn't an incel (I don't think incel applies to asexuals for example) its only when they get judgmental that I throw out the insults in retaliation, unfortunately some bystanders get caught in the cross fire not intended for them. I've been on here only 3 years or so, I don't come on here enough to get super close to anyone with ONE exception, that being my current BF lol!

I can see how its rebellious, but yeah I don't get it. It treads dangerous ground in my country so I only really have that frame of experience to speak from unfortunately.

I'm not against cuteness, I think they are perfectly cute but at their own age (21+) for me personally. I just think the "child-like" look they go for is what kinda gets to me. Its one thing if its done just to be cute, but there is obviously sexualization of the child-form even if that wasn't their intent. I dunno, lol it treads a rocky road that hurts my feet. So yeah its definitely not for me haha!

Yes, that's my point about the cultural thing. Neither culture is better on the whole that the other, that's a supremacist attitude if I had that. But for LGBT+ it is typically easier and freer, more accepting so that colors my opinion being a gay guy. I like places that are okay with me more than places that aren't, same with people lmao! Not saying one is better than the other for everyone, just maybe in some aspects its better for me. Although I'll say right now, Eastern food is WAY better (imo) that western haha! So there are things I think they do better in someways too. We all have our flaws and qualities :D And you are right, the fact that same-sex relations are popularized at all does help to bring awareness and positive change.

Yeah I'm pretty sure my fears are unfounded. Ethnically Taiwan is closer to China than anyone but they are their OWN people with their own culture and ways of doing things. I probably was only harder on Japan than Taiwan because they are more conservative. Yep China (government) likes BL money, not BL. And its a shame, Chinese has some of the most TALENTED and BEAUTIFUL artists in the world with so much contributions and so many more to make. To see their creativity and expression suppressed by an insecure regime is just... ooooo it grinds my gears lol. I love liberty, and I love people being free. Maybe not all people want to be free, but I have a hard time believing the majority of humans enjoy being under the thumb of someone else.

Probably should go threw the convo I had with someone else, their approach to their disagreements was more constructive and actually got me to rethink things. If you meet fire with fire, the flame just grows larger. A little water does wonders.
*Also not that it matters, anyone can claim anything to win over emotional favor - you don't know what trauma I'VE experienced in my past either. Governments stand as they are because the people allow them, if they truly had issue they would overthrow them or (if they even can) vote them out. Or at the very least, protest. Japan is much better on gay rights than China so I'm not saying they are the same. I'm not gonna call you stupid or say what you said is stupid - a courtesy you didn't extend to me. I've called people stupid in the past but how can that even be quantified? Its all a matter of opinion and we all have slightly to extremely different ones. I doubt two options are ever EXACTLY the same. You assume I have ZERO idea huh? Tell me what else do you assume about me? I'm sorry you were offended, but that doesn't mean you then have to do the same by assuming I'm free of bad experiences. I admit I was harsh and wrong in a couple points but this is the whole point of discourse to hash these things out.

I really enjoyed this conversation so thank you! I have a hard outer shell but inside i'm all mush lol!!! Sometimes people don't have the patience to put up with me so I really appreciate you taking the time to reason me out :)

Its my own fault for forgetting how actor agencies work in other countries lol. And I'm also happy to hear it wasn't a personal decision on the actor's part actually, because yes he really is so very wonderful and it work break my heart to learn he had a problem with gay people but I'm glad that doesn't seem to be the case at all, just my misunderstanding.

Thank you, and you make good points too which is why I've had to rethink a few things so I really appreciate you for that! I had a not-so-civil fight with someone else and it put me in a bad mood so I apologize if that bled over into our convo. Its no excuse for my bad attitude. I dropped it but I dunno, knowing what I know now I think I'l power through and finish it because I really do like the actors and I should at least show them support if anything. I do like the concept and story, the whole mind-reading thing is what first drew me to the series.

I admit, my expectations are a bit high because of Thailand and especially HIStory from Taiwan - they spoiled me ROTTEN! lmao :P I just read something about Japan co-signing a gay rights international recognition bill with other countries so I should be more optimistic :D And yes I went too far in hyperbole and criticism based on my already high-expectations. Much love to you too!

Thanks for the list, I'll bookmark it :)