RandomUsagi

Looks cute ^^

Finally! So in the month of March hopefully I'll remember to check back here

No problem!

A guy sleeping with a trans person would indeed make the intimate act straight in my opinion. As the trans person (in this example) would identify with being female and have changed their body to reflect that. the guy fell in love with a woman so its a straight relationship.

You bring up an interesting point as without gender what remains of our identity when we are souls? However, there are plenty of religions that believe that reincarnation into any organism is possible. So a soul can reincarnate as both male or female. Doesn't this seem to point to the fact that the soul is inherently genderless? As it can become both female and male at reincarnation in most reincarnation-having religions.

So if we take this timetravel bodyswap situation in consideration. The guys soul lost his original body so in a way this is a rebirth into a different body. Just not into a baby form and he retains all his memories. This makes the situation much more difficult and as you said, we shall see whether his memories of being a male will win out on his current body state. He doesn't seem to hate having to present himself as a female too much while most trans people would dislike that. Yes he did crossdress with male clothes but it was only once and mostly to get female attention.

In my opinion a human adapts very quickly to new situations. Unless he actively shows attempts to be seen as a male in this female body then I don't think he will be trans. I don't think he will easily fall in love with another male though as there are still his memories of being a straight male. It will likely take a long time but if he is stuck there for a long time then I think its inevitable to grow fondness for each other as he knows his new role. Even if that fondness is friendly at first, they will have to produce children in this time period and with his role as queen. For now they are still maintaining the ''no touch'' rule though.

You raise interesting points about the king. However, whatever the guys past was doesn't really matter to him. Would you really care if your love said they were a different gender in a previous life? He will only care about the current life they have together unless he actually meets the guy in his male body. After all, the guy in the queens body already tried to convince him that they were a guy but he thought she was just being crazy. A girl being a bit more like a guy in personality (tomboy) could actually be his type.

I'm very interested in what will happen as well, for now the gender conflict seems to be saved for later episode as the king first needs to actually grow to accept the queen as an ally.

I haven't read them yet although I know there have been quite a few written in Chinese from posts I've seen. I hope you can find a nice one!
I've saved some other AU videos in my discussion post so you can check that one out too.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/30sai-made-doteida-to-mahotsukai-ni-narerurashi/57825-extra-fancontent-cherry-magic

Yeah when you watch ep 11 and 12 right after each other then the feelings from episode 11 don't stay as long. I think that probably helps a lot

I don't really read fanfics but I've been following most of the AU videos made on CM. Here's one that maches your idea a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apznTOFpPks
There's plenty of other AUs, some are pretty wild XD

From my memory of rewatching:
First hug: Ep 7 (bridge confession)
Second hug: Ep 10 (Adachi decides to do the competition)
Third hug: Ep 11 (Kurosawa jumps Adachi after he leaves elevator)
Fourth hug: Ep 12 (Adachi returns to Kurosawa on rooftop)

In my view its a womans body flirting with women so that's why I view it as an LGBT interaction in the current state. I could see how having a male inner voice for their thoughts would distract from that though. There are people with dissociative personality disorder, they sometimes have male/female characters that don't match their body either but that doesn't change the body. While the queen in the show does regret losing their male bodyparts, it seems more like it was used as a gag/joke for first episodes and that they will be more comfortable later on.

As for gendered souls, I don't believe in that as a large part of our behaviour is very dependent on hormones and brains. Change a part of our brains or the amount of hormones and we completely change. This is evident by trans people describing the personality effect that taking either estrogen (female hormone) or testosteron (male hormone) has.

The actual scientific explanation for being trans is that the brain doesn't acknowledge the current shape of the body as its own. It likely has nothing to do with gendered soul energy. I do believe in souls but I very much doubt what will be left of gender when theres no body to express it with.

Anyway you are right that theres plenty of views in the world. I think the show will mostly focus on the fun or joking side apart from the whole assasination plotpoints. I just wanted to share my viewpoint on the discussion as the concept of souls is quite interesting to think about.

The queen has already been massively flirting with the female characters though so in my perspective that's LGBT. Or is it only LGBT to you if the inner souls are the same gender? In my perspective souls have no gender, there's no hormones or bodyparts to influence them. They're in a new body and will likely adapt at least somewhat.

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I'd advise it, the movie gave me a lot of flashbacks to CM XD

True that elevator door closing was very typically Kurosawa. Keeping Adachi for himself and all that.

Yes Kiyoshi is a beautiful name ^^

Thanks for sharing ^^
This is for those reading this comment unaware of the terminology, from wikipedia:
''Gray asexuality is considered the gray area between asexuality and sexuality, in which a person may only experience sexual attraction on occasion.''

I'm ace and Adachi being grey ace wouldn't surprise me from what I've seen either. Indeed Adachi was clearly fine with a life without romance, sure he got attached to Kurosawa eventually but without Kurosawa he would've just stayed single forever. The obvious problem ofcourse being that the drama will never clarify it so its left up to interpretation despite some of the signs we've seen.

So this causes fans to see what they want to see, for example in my case that's being fine with the lack of kissing and for others the lack of them isn't okay. Both viewpoints have valid points to make about why a kiss is needed or not needed. I've seen very good points brought up from a user here who described being taken out of the watching experience for the lack of intimacy. Then there's also others who don't feel like it takes them out of the experience at all (like myself).

I think its important to share these sorts of different viewpoints as I do understand my own opinion about the show better through these sorts of discussions as well. It's not like we'll ever reach a definite conclusion on this (since the drama will never clarify) but its nice to see someone had the same experience watching the show ^^

Feel free to share your experience ^^

Thanks for your reply! So I watched Ossans Love yesterday and yeah it really surprised me with the similarities. To the point that I can probably place some scenes of CM and OL right next to each other to compare small differences.
I'm not talking about the wellknown drama here (which you mentioned in your comment, I also saw that one) but about the original movie which I had never completely seen. Watching it in detail gave me some chills at how similar it is. Just make the manager and the roommate into 1 guy.
https://kisskh.at/22055-ossans-love
-Coffee scene in the dark office
-The hand towards the face while 1 pretends to sleep
-The company has the exact same focus on stationary
-The way 1 of them falls on top of a guy
-The ending is literally the ending of episode 7
-The lunch prepared in detail
-One of the guys loves taking pictures of his crush

This is such a weird experience of deja vu I highly advise you to check it out yourself as well. Of course the general vibe is different.

Thanks for letting me know!

You should! It has a few moments that will show that CM has increased sensibility to certain LGBT subjects but its much less shy about intimacy.
Whatever you do though, don't watch Ossans Love: In the Sky (spinoff). Its better to spare yourself from that disaster.

Thanks for the final subbing ichihachi!