I totally agree with you regarding Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo. The female lead is model skinny, and beautiful…
Physical abuse arc is important despite it being a romcom, at least in South Korea, sports and violence are still heavily married, it's an open secret especially in team sports. Writers chose how deep or superficial they want to get with it and in the case of WFKBJ, it was superficial because the romcom aspect took precedence.
So whether it is a parent abusing their child who got into sports initially to cope or gain approval or they were forced into it, or perhaps their coach who takes out his failure/ambition on the athletes, or a team mate who abuses their seniority, or a mix of all these...these are all real issues there that have been touched on to various degrees in kdrama incl romcoms. In most cases, this is not a glorification but a revealing/exposing of their society.
When you say the writers have to make it known in the drama that certain behavior is unacceptable, i wonder if you've considered moslty, they are simply portraying the reality which is that most people ignore these situations. The choice between to what action and how to act is and should be left to the viewer as the consequences of not doing so outweigh the ones of doing so!! For example, how many people actually get involved when a parent is beating their kid up in public for whatever reason? Or verbally abusing them? Many know this shouldn't be happening and we often wonder, if this is in public, what about privately? Should i call social services? What if going into the system is actually worse? We all think we know what we would do, we get self righteously indignant but reality is different! Writers are human too afterall and this is humility. This shouldn't be a writer's dilemma...
You would also be asking the writer to literally TELL the viewers what to think and how to feel. This is not their responsibility but a power they do hold. Most rarely use it because "with great power comes great responsibility", surely you realize for one writer to use this power to portray a message in line with your way of thinking, there's another writer who will use this same power to do their own will (this is why entertainment with overt propaganda tanks no matter how good the message!!). Ultimately when the viewer's choice is removed, it's manipulation and that too is abuse! A writer's drama can for example encourage a woman in an abusive relationship to leave, it can also encourage another one to stay. We as society can make judgement and sometimes socially pressure others into choices but unless you intend to live 24/7 making decisions for that person, it's pointless. The woman who leaves can come back/meet a worse person later, the woman who stays can learn to stand up for herself etc
I appreciate the effort you've expended to prove scientifically certain entertainment affects people but my point was never that it doesn't but rather that people should STILL have to take accountability for themselves and not pin hopes on drama writers for example, they are human too!. Consider children, they defer to adults, if a child is playing a violent game or watching a violent movie, there's an adult allowing it directly or indirectly. I watch a lot of violent movies/dramas, love thrillers, one of my fav books title is "the wisdom of psychopaths"....does that give me an excuse to go murdering people i don't like, why not, science basically says it's inevitable right? I don't because i have freewill/choice and choose NOT to. As for most adults, my observation is people want excuses to avoid personal accountability and in true human fashion we want to lay it instead at the feet of those we believe have the answers but really we are giving them power to puppeteer their own ideas trusting blindly they won't pull some nonsense. You only have to look what has happened with news media today.
I totally agree with you regarding Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo. The female lead is model skinny, and beautiful…
There's no aspect of life with no toxicity, every relationship has it because no one is perfect, it's just a matter of levels/how much imo. Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo is afterall a sports drama as well and this happens to be one of the most known toxic environments in kculture and cascades through other aspects of the lives of all involved including families so it's not something that should be left out. I called it fluffy earlier, not just because of who they cast but also because i think they covered up so much and the toxicity you mention is light work compared to what would actually exist given the overall storyline as you say. How it's depicted may be up for dispute but i prefer to leave that to writers as it's "their baby" and i don't want them going rogue.
On the note of accountability for triggers, we have movie/drama age ratings and sure they can be insufficient at times at notifying viewers of specific triggers but i've yet to come across a movie/drama with a rape scene for example that had the incorrect rating. It's viewers who tend to ignore/minimize these and get caught out. This coupled with reviews like yours are a good enough warning but in terms of rating a drama for its overall standard, to me this is a biased reason like, "i didn't like that scene because it was violent so bad drama". I get that part of it is dramas are escapism and seeing reality in them spoils the escape but sometimes we do need reminding these things exist.
We are about the same age just mentioned it as i often get assumed to be a grandma due to my style of comment.
I totally agree with you regarding Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo. The female lead is model skinny, and beautiful…
Maybe it's my age but i think it's very important to have these toxic elements in dramas if they are to be even mildly reflective of real life. Simply not showing them in dramas doesn't make the issues disappear off the earth in fact, consider that people in these sorts of relationships without realizing can notice and pick up on their situation via a drama so i think that review is unfair. If a viewer is triggered they can make the decision not watch but i wouldn't rate down a drama for airing toxicity unless it was glorifying it as in the case of the FLs in the two dramas mentioned above.
I disagree somewhat with the analysis of Sang Tae! I'd go with it being lazy and a tad too romantic on the writers part but it's also not going to be easy to have one person represent the wide(r) autistic spectrum in a manner that people also recognize as autism, i think that's a huge ask and task. It would have to be different dramas, with individual characters but even then, they can't address every single piece of individuality within specific groups of people which is a risk once you start giving in to the specifics people want, unless of course the writer wants to write about it in which case great. I don't tend to enjoy forced writing and writers can be vindictive if they feel forced by audiences to take their story one way when they had other plans. I've seen writers mangle a drama as if to punish the fans
Agree with the ASPD romanticism, i don't enjoy these FL and it's scary to see people hail this as empowerment for women when they are really celebrating bullies/sociopaths.
Lastly, True beauty, i wish kdramas would graduate and stop making this style but it's purpose often is money not substance. It was boring same old story line with different actors playing the same characters in many similar dramas and the Male lead vs Second ML wars aren't a new distraction, as far as i remember they go back to BOF/Heirs. it's not a new phenom. Dividing people adds air of controversy and breeds conversation which translates to ratings, it was the same with idol fan war during 2nd wave kpop, all this to say, this model won't go away soon, you're asking for them to extinguish a significant cash cow. "Retiring the beauty standards...", ironic because you can always tell that is NOT the intention of the drama by who they cast as the FL. It is almost always someone who fits into the beauty standard that they go out of their to make seem "ugly".
I'd say one of the biggest sinners in comparison to True Beauty of this was Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo especially as it was meant to be based off real life story. As soon as i saw Lee Sung Kyung was cast, i knew it would be some flowery fluffy depiction with little substance addressing the issue around beauty standards. She put on weight for the drama but still her body was not a "weightlifter's body" and their idea of her not being pretty is funny haircut and weird makeup. You'll know there's substance when they cast FL out of the beauty norm.
Kthrillers/crime is my obsession so "Those who read hearts of evil" is what i'm looking out for. Although i have added the others to my plan to watch list in case i get bored/run of dramas which is amusing as that list still has over 20 drama/movies to watch. I need a job that pays me to watch these otherwise i'll never catch up ^ ^
Definitely one of the best written, directed and acted kdramas. It's only 2nd place to Stranger S1 in my books. I've long tired of certain dramas and actors playing the same roles which usually suit their "looks" so Lee Seungi Gi definitely shattered my prejudices regarding his acting ability but the MVP was Lee Heejoon.
When someone tells me Heirs is their favorite or one of their favorite kdramas, i tend to guess they are fairly new on the kdrama scene (2-5 years) and haven't been exposed to better dramas to know how mediocre, cliche and indeed frustrating this drama is. Many of the student cast members were just starting out in their acting career were in this drama and are successful today so i guess that's a plus
I love kdrama but there's certain genres that make me cynical and medical kdramas are always a disappointment but i have to thank the drama Gods for this amazing cast and production. I cannot remember the last time i was so enthralled from the first episode until now...most dramas slow down, get a tad boring then pick up again but not this one...not to mention that the medical aspect gets drowned out by the romance but not here. I wish it was more popular, its one of those rare gems, i'll be sad when it concludes because who knows when another one like this will come along. It was my first time watching Han Suk Kyu, since making the decision not watch dramas just for the cast, i have not regretted because i've discovered amazing actors like this guy. I don't feel like he's acting, i actually believe he is his character and i love him for doing his job so well. I wish all kdrama actors were this convincing
This is an excellent drama to watch but unfortunately many kdrama viewers only care about happy endings and fail to see the efforts the staff especially writer puts in to their characters. Due to the thirst for the perfect ending because they've dedicated so much time, many fail to see vital lessons embedded in the drama as a whole and the changes the individual characters go through learning/seeing their flaws and taking steps to change. This drama had a reasonable balance of kdrama exaggeration, kdrama fairytale as well as kdrama reality. That for me is what i enjoyed and i wouldn't enjoy it had it been put across any other way
I doubt that it will "replace" 5 Children. It may be in same time slot but it will be difficult to "be…
I can see why its replacing 5 children in terms of the storyline but i find this overly cliche and already boring, not worth watching all 50 episodes. Part of the lesson in 5 children was accepting different types of families, single parent and merged families are looked down on in SK while this one seems to be about accepting different types of marriages...i get it to that extent but i'm not excited for it
Probably many of you doesn't know since its not on the synposis but getting pregrant is plot for this drama :)…
Yeah as soon as i realised they are going to make her pregnant when there's 48 episodes to go i got bored but i'm a fan of the couple so i want to support...i don't think i'll watch it all i'll skip every 5-10 episodes i think
Probably many of you doesn't know since its not on the synposis but getting pregrant is plot for this drama :)…
Yeah as soon as i realised they are going to make her pregnant when there's 48 episodes to go i got bored but i'm a fan of the couple so i want to support...i don't think i'll watch it all i'll skip every 5-10 episodes i think
So whether it is a parent abusing their child who got into sports initially to cope or gain approval or they were forced into it, or perhaps their coach who takes out his failure/ambition on the athletes, or a team mate who abuses their seniority, or a mix of all these...these are all real issues there that have been touched on to various degrees in kdrama incl romcoms. In most cases, this is not a glorification but a revealing/exposing of their society.
When you say the writers have to make it known in the drama that certain behavior is unacceptable, i wonder if you've considered moslty, they are simply portraying the reality which is that most people ignore these situations. The choice between to what action and how to act is and should be left to the viewer as the consequences of not doing so outweigh the ones of doing so!! For example, how many people actually get involved when a parent is beating their kid up in public for whatever reason? Or verbally abusing them? Many know this shouldn't be happening and we often wonder, if this is in public, what about privately? Should i call social services? What if going into the system is actually worse? We all think we know what we would do, we get self righteously indignant but reality is different! Writers are human too afterall and this is humility. This shouldn't be a writer's dilemma...
You would also be asking the writer to literally TELL the viewers what to think and how to feel. This is not their responsibility but a power they do hold. Most rarely use it because "with great power comes great responsibility", surely you realize for one writer to use this power to portray a message in line with your way of thinking, there's another writer who will use this same power to do their own will (this is why entertainment with overt propaganda tanks no matter how good the message!!). Ultimately when the viewer's choice is removed, it's manipulation and that too is abuse! A writer's drama can for example encourage a woman in an abusive relationship to leave, it can also encourage another one to stay. We as society can make judgement and sometimes socially pressure others into choices but unless you intend to live 24/7 making decisions for that person, it's pointless. The woman who leaves can come back/meet a worse person later, the woman who stays can learn to stand up for herself etc
I appreciate the effort you've expended to prove scientifically certain entertainment affects people but my point was never that it doesn't but rather that people should STILL have to take accountability for themselves and not pin hopes on drama writers for example, they are human too!. Consider children, they defer to adults, if a child is playing a violent game or watching a violent movie, there's an adult allowing it directly or indirectly. I watch a lot of violent movies/dramas, love thrillers, one of my fav books title is "the wisdom of psychopaths"....does that give me an excuse to go murdering people i don't like, why not, science basically says it's inevitable right? I don't because i have freewill/choice and choose NOT to. As for most adults, my observation is people want excuses to avoid personal accountability and in true human fashion we want to lay it instead at the feet of those we believe have the answers but really we are giving them power to puppeteer their own ideas trusting blindly they won't pull some nonsense. You only have to look what has happened with news media today.
How it's depicted may be up for dispute but i prefer to leave that to writers as it's "their baby" and i don't want them going rogue.
On the note of accountability for triggers, we have movie/drama age ratings and sure they can be insufficient at times at notifying viewers of specific triggers but i've yet to come across a movie/drama with a rape scene for example that had the incorrect rating. It's viewers who tend to ignore/minimize these and get caught out. This coupled with reviews like yours are a good enough warning but in terms of rating a drama for its overall standard, to me this is a biased reason like, "i didn't like that scene because it was violent so bad drama". I get that part of it is dramas are escapism and seeing reality in them spoils the escape but sometimes we do need reminding these things exist.
We are about the same age just mentioned it as i often get assumed to be a grandma due to my style of comment.
Agree with the ASPD romanticism, i don't enjoy these FL and it's scary to see people hail this as empowerment for women when they are really celebrating bullies/sociopaths.
Lastly, True beauty, i wish kdramas would graduate and stop making this style but it's purpose often is money not substance. It was boring same old story line with different actors playing the same characters in many similar dramas and the Male lead vs Second ML wars aren't a new distraction, as far as i remember they go back to BOF/Heirs. it's not a new phenom. Dividing people adds air of controversy and breeds conversation which translates to ratings, it was the same with idol fan war during 2nd wave kpop, all this to say, this model won't go away soon, you're asking for them to extinguish a significant cash cow. "Retiring the beauty standards...", ironic because you can always tell that is NOT the intention of the drama by who they cast as the FL. It is almost always someone who fits into the beauty standard that they go out of their to make seem "ugly".
I'd say one of the biggest sinners in comparison to True Beauty of this was Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo especially as it was meant to be based off real life story. As soon as i saw Lee Sung Kyung was cast, i knew it would be some flowery fluffy depiction with little substance addressing the issue around beauty standards. She put on weight for the drama but still her body was not a "weightlifter's body" and their idea of her not being pretty is funny haircut and weird makeup. You'll know there's substance when they cast FL out of the beauty norm.