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Same. If Shin Ha-Kyun is attach to something, I'm in.

I thought you were asking if it makes sense in the gangster world because the discussion is about the action Dong-Soo decided to take in order to become the big boss in the mafia world. The minute he decided to entered that world, and be leader in it, his decisions/actions is gonna be base in the world his operating in.

Do-young was still willing to work with the man who conspired with his right-hand man to send him to jail and to kill him. The only reason Do-young turned against that man was because the man treated Do-young like he was nothing and Dong-Soo offered him a way he could get enough money to gain enough power to make that man regret how he treated Do-young. So Do-young would have done the same thing if it might he was gonna come out on top.

He is not a season mafia/gangster but he is smart enough about the mafia world to know that you can only gain power through violence, and being willing to work with those you hate, Do-young taught him that through his actions.

Agree, Dong-Soo desire for power and never to be the little guy again made him chose to be a monster instead of ending it. Base on the story that was being told it made sense for someone like him to chose power over everything after he got a taste of it because he is someone who know what it's like to be powerless facing those with power and what it's like to have power. This is the reason the writers took their time to show us a powerless Dong-Soo constantly losing against those with power, even when he had the morally high-ground in those fights.

In the mafia world they can and do all the time, it if means survival and power. Because those in that world knows that the one who holds the power of life and death in their hands are not the working bees, the hire-hands but the big boss.
There is nothing morally right about this but in their world it makes sense.

After what Do-young did and said in that container, after he told Dong-Soo why he killed his old boss, Dong-Soo would have been so stupid to keep working under him. Like the container scene showed Dong-Soo that at any point Do-young will have no problem handing him over to his enemy, if it benefits him. If Do-young had given Dong-Soo the knife, told him to do what he wanted, that would have been different. But he told him to fight his enemy in order to have the "honor" of being his partner.

I would say a desire for power more than greed is what drive/turned him into a monster. Because from the begin we saw that the money didn't make him want to work for Do-young, it was when Do-young showed him what it felt like to have power, like in the court-room, that he begin to realize what amount of power, money and violence can buy.

True but Do-young forgot that Dong-Soo is new this gangster. Do-young know Dong-Soo stayed in that world because he believed/realized that was the only way a guy like him could beat the people who killed his mother. Dong-Soo doesn't know all the rules/method of Do-young's world. If he knew, he might not have looked so betrayed in that container before and after.
I did hate that Dong-Soo killed that cop.

Totally agree. That was a big mistake on Do-young part. I understand in his world that action make sense but he forgot Dong-Soo does not really understand his world. To Dong-Soo this was a big betrayal from someone he was working with to bring down their enemies. Instead, Do-young told him to couldn't pick between him and his enemy who was going to be his partner.

He killed the person who ordered the death of his mother. In this world he is working in, that is the end of it.

I have to say I'm surprised at the way people are ignoring major points in the story and just boiling everything down to Dong-Soo being greedy and was always evil.
To me, base on the story being told, Dong-Soo actions was not simply about greed or him always being a monster. It was a story about a guy who spent his life trying to be good, (not wanting to accept Do-young money or work with him. Tried to get him arrested when he couldn't cleanly get away, only asked Do-young to allow him to leave with his family after he was done helping him and even was ready to move, leave everything, including all the money Dong-young was offering him behind until his old boss killed his mother) and always losing, meeting someone who makes him realize that as long as he stayed a good guy he was always going to be losing to the monster, unless he become a monster himself, he was going to be the guy that get use, toss aside for the better deal and laugh at for being too stupid/weak to do anything about it...Do-Young actions just made that abundantly clear to him.

I think the death of his Mom started to break him and Do-Young telling him that he couldn't pick who should be his partner between the man who ordered the killing of Dong-Soo's mom and Do-young, who had done everything possible to help Dong-Soo because he wanted to believe Do-Young and him was partner was what turned him into a monster. Dong-Young doing that reminded Dong-Soo that no matter which monster (his old boss & Do-young) he worked for, he was always going to be the guy they crushed/destroy when it was convenient for them.

The minute I saw those scenes in that container, I knew Do-young had just created a monster while destroying whatever loyalty Dong-Soo had for him. Because it was clear that it was only Dong-Soo's self-preservation and restrains that kept him from stabbing Do-Young the moment he walked out off that container and I wouldn't have blamed him because that was a big betrayal from his point of view. If he spent more time in the mafia world, he wouldn't have felt so betrayed because he would have understood it as Dong-Soo attempts to put them on equal footing. But Do-Young forgot, Dong-Soo is not from his world and had already been burned by monsters he worked for before.

In the end I don't really blame either Do-Young or Dong-Soo for how their partnership ended, because their actions made sense from their point of view and the world they were both from.

It was story about how under the "right" circumstances combine with certain influence/environment, someone who spent the major of their lives trying to be good, can become the monster who eat all the other monsters.

They really should have just picked up the Win/Team story from where it was left in UWMA, give us some flashback to fill up some of the blanks, like the first time they got together and when they made their relationship officially. From there, have them deal with their trauma and family issues as boyfriends.

That would have also allowed us to see the growth of Dean/Pharm relationship that caused them to decid to get married. The growth of Manaow/Pruk relationship.

Also give us more interactions with all of the them together, forming friendships with each others best-friends, Pharm with Win and Dean with Team, including Manaow and Pruk. I want to cry just thinking of so much wasted potential.

It would have been so much better if they treated this like a S2 with Win/Team as the center couple.

Lol, when I saw this in the preview I was so excited because I thought Team was gonna unnecessarily announced (because I'm sure everyone know already) their relationship. I was like "My Team is growing up" and the writers played me. 🤡

From what i read in order places, the actors didn't get good direction. The director just told them to go for it. Instead of giving them proper direction base on where these characters storylines were at.

I agree with a lot of this. Team/win should have gotten together and been official as early as 5/6ep maybe even earlier if the writers focused more on them in the early episodes. Show us them being a couple and dealing with their trauma together as couple.

I love ABC gang but they were not needed, instead the writers should have been showing us more of the relationship between the existing gang, like Dean/Win and Team/Pharm/Manow. Show us these friends helping eachother navigate their new relationships and dealing with their own insecurity and trauma.

There was also no need to add any new side couples when we already have existing side couples like Pharm/Dean and Pruk/Manaow.

The writing just wasn't focus and didn't really seem to have goal for where they wanted the story to go and how to pace the story. It felt like script was slap together.

BounPrem intimate moments needed to be more and better considering who the characters were and how they began but the writers tried to turn them into Pharm/Dean which doesn't work for who these characters are.

I really hope Bounprem next project is way better than this because I love them and think they could great.