Soledeadolci

Relatively new to Kdramas. My least favorite trope in Kdrama is when a horrible female antagonist redeems herself by eventually turning back to the family/sister/child/background that she used and then threw away as a burden. It often serves to showcase the familial bonds and filial piety that the screenwriters, I suspect, must focus on, that exist for the other characters if not the antagonist herself.

It further irritates me when such an antagonist engages in clearly illegal activities and somehow gets off with just losing her status because everyone around her "forgives" her since she's already "lost everything." Even when such a character goes to jail, she somehow retains enough of her self-worth to at least expect to be the boss lady in her jail cell.

Redemption is always the focus of the last chapter of the narrative. Truly though, regret is a burden that is shouldered by one person and requires no one else to be aware of its existence. It would be nice, just once, if a horrible character was pushed enough by her own actions to lose herself, to truly feel remorse and thus mature into a human being instead of a greedy monster and by virtue of that character arc not require redemption in an overt sense.

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Yes. Spot on. Last episode shown should have been penultimate episode at best.

WZ going to jail and CY dealing with a messy relationship with a messy person should have happened. CY family showing up and really getting into it should have happened. WZ and CY should have been ALONE in the end.

All this show taught me is that you should judge a person by the company he keeps (and decides not to keep). In CY's case: (1) LY - cheater and wife beater, (2) LH - frivolous skirt-chaser with no true goals or morals, (3) WZ - manipulative lying stalker/greedy conwoman. Only one he is willing to give up is LS, the one honest (not always the sweetest, nicest, or most easygoing person, but always honest) person in his life.

JY is a world renowned pianist and JK is his childhood friend/crush whose family has supported his for the majority, if not all, of his adult life. They have been friends for 10 years. She is actively pursuing him and he is a submissive person by nature. SA has seen her with him on numerous occasions, each easily misunderstood, and it has taken prodding on her part to produce tiny little bits of truth from him. SA and DY met in college. It was a slow burn crush, based on his encouragement of her love of music, not on familial obligations that span a decade. DY doesn't place himself in a position above SA, where only he can help her, and therefore no one else should be with her. Moreover, SA is open about her relationship with DY. DY and JK are not equivalent to each other in any sense.

If SA didn't feel burdened by their relationship then I would think that she didn't really care about JY. That JY wasn't really jealous of SA's interactions with DY doesn't mean he was confident in their relationship. JY isn't exactly brimming over with confidence, about their relationship or anything else.

Yes. He needs to be honest, with himself (that he wasn't completely over JK when he started with SA) and with her (about everything else, his family, his teacher, etc).

I think he thinks that he's being "good" by letting go and not burdening SA. I think this will be harder on him than he realizes.

I know when you see a car crash in front of you, you can't look away. But the next reaction is to call for an ambulance and move out of the way. Watching the disasters that have befallen the main character in this show is a type of sadistic voyeurism; it's akin to watching someone get beaten. People may claim it was "real" but it was "too real." Like some sort of effed up psychological bondage. I am refusing to watch until all episodes are available.

ZZ's storyline is the most complete. She should've been the main character in this show. BTW, no one is claiming that these women are "perfect" or even "nice." But the way the men respond to their negative qualities is by displaying even worse ones of their own. On the contrary, the women seem to forgive, accept, and help these men, quietly and without expecting reciprocation.

I've said this before, I think they are a good pair, not in a romantic sense but as friends and in a mentor-mentee type of relationship. He encourages her to be more frivolous which is good for her mental well-being, and probably her physical health too; remember, after her startup failed, he was one of the first and few people who were able to bring a real smile to her face. If he does heed her advice, which I think he will, it will help him grow as a person.

Not sure if the imbalance in their social status and the differences in their attitudes to work and play would ever allow for them to have a romantic relationship, but for two people to bring out goodness in each other (laughter and joy, maturity and responsibility for LS and XT, respectively), I hope LS realizes this and that their friendship continues. It has to be LS's choice and I hope she has grown as a character to realize how important such people are in her life, even if they aren't already in it and aren't necessarily "good" for her career.

So is ZZ going to tell LY who she met at her new workplace? Talk about salt on wounds. Even if that's not the reason why she divorced him, that IS the reason why she divorced him. Though I despise LY to the core of my being, he has made much more progress as a character than CY. Still, he doesn't quite get it: he thinks ZZ is waiting for the right man and he can become that person for her (LH mentality). But that's not what it's about at all. The way he fishes for information on ZZ through Yuwei while bribing her with chocolate ice cream is pretty funny.

CY is slowly becoming more and more isolated. LH is doing this for Xiaoling, but I think he is also doing it for LS. He doesn't like WZ or the person CY is with WZ.

LS is always a loose cannon. That's her biggest flaw for sure. However, I am glad that she calls him out on his behavior in this way. ANYONE but him should have come to do that. He is not healthy for her. And she can't give him the security and validation he craves. This should suffice in cutting their ties completely.

What I find more interesting is the later preview clip in which WZ tells CY that LS really doesn't like her. We know that about WZ's interaction with LS where she mocks LS naïveté and reveals her true colors. Of course she doesn't share that with CY. But doesn't CY share the details of HIS final interaction with LS with WZ? It's CY's decision to hide certain details of his life from the people he supposedly loves the most that irritates me to no end. It's not like he's a stoic person. He's always overly affectionate and overflowing with verbal flourishes. I agree with everyone that he is rushing into the whole marriage thing with WZ. BUT, his comment that she is not letting him know her completely is also not without merit. WZ has never been completely honest and vulnerable with him, that's just not in her wheelhouse. To be fair to CY, she played the role of damsel in distress to lure him when she was lusting after him. After that moment in LS's office, he felt LS's love for him had completely died. And then to witness that declaration of love for LS must have burned him deeply. His choice to stay with WZ despite not getting everything he wants from her is as much a function of his desperation as it is "love."

WZ is scrambling around with a slightly mortified expression on her face. When she tells CY that LS doesn't like her, oh really? You targeted LS and tried to make her into your victim. Now she's back, completely aware of who you are and what you are capable of (remember, you told her yourself), and she's now your enemy. Get ready to play defense lady.

The only way this can be better is if GX shows up. It will bother WZ and CY SO MUCH if they find out that LS isn't lonely or alone.

Seems like his karma is coming soon. WZ is involved in his business for her own gain, though I can't blame her because she has been bankrolling him. BUT, it seems WZ has zero interest in meeting his parents or being his family. WZ said she was exactly like Siyu in this regard choosing career over family when CY was complaining to her about Siyu. But she wasn't because she actually was involved in his life and knew his family. Someone in the youtube chats mentioned that WZ would never get married because she would never surrender half her assets/property to another, because as she's mentioned before, all she cares about is money and wealth.

I will be DEVASTATED if Siyu comes to back to console him after he is ruined both romantically and financially by WZ. To all the LS haters, who blamed her for the end of their breakup, because he was "such a good guy" and she was "so annoying," the common denominator in all his failures is HIM.

I don’t think I can be totally satisfied unless CY fully comprehends that he is a douchebag.

Because of how annoying all the male leads are in this drama, I'm rewatching Go Ahead.

Seems like that's no longer going to be the case. He's just a boy toy. And now that Siyu is literally not in the picture, he's much less interesting to her. Surprise, surprise.

I don't think Yiming's relationship with Siyu can ever be saved. Just like, after Liu Yang slapped Zhizhi, I didn't think that relationship could be reclaimed either.

Yiming is burdened by both an inferiority complex and deep-rooted narcissism. He is the same, if not worse, than what he was when the show started. He lied and was unable to tell Siyu when he lost his job. And now, he lies and is unable to tell his parents that he's broken up with Siyu and left his job so he can hook up with his previous employer. For all the people who kept talking about what a good guy he was and is, he can't even accept himself. If he has not done anything wrong, he should be able to explain himself to the people in his life, especially when they are asking. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone encounters difficulties in life. Prior to this, did he also look down on those people who were struggling like he is now? We don't know, but that's my take on his character.

I'm a little surprised that WZ does not want to marry him, because it seemed like she really did want him. However, that coupled with her flagrantly waving their relationship in front of Siyu just confirms my earlier suspicion that, all along, WZ's interest in CY was based on her interests in all of Siyu's "things" rather than CY himself.

Just watching clips and not full episodes because I can't stomach WZ and CY together but there is a scene where it looks like their relationship is crumbling. It seems either he doesn't invite or she doesn't attend a family dinner with the Chen family when his parents are visiting in Shanghai? It's not subbed yet, so I am guessing.

I think LS was right to cut off her ties with him. Their relationship is too messy. It would've been better from the start if they had only been best friends.

Is what WZ and Director Fang doing not illegal? I know in real life shitty people get away with doing shitty things, but there has to be some karma over the course of this storyline, otherwise this drama is pretty lame.

Yiming is drowning in debt, has no financing, and starts a new business. This is not about him wanting to be independent. He's just pathetically flailing. And WZ finds that attractive.

Yes, I totally agree. I don't want Siyu and Yiming to be together. She deserves better. Siyu's father asks her at one point, "You were sorry and you apologized, but did he?"

CY has regressed as a character. I found him rather pitiful before and I find him to be incredibly conceited now. Everyone keeps saying that he is getting played and assumes that fundamentally he is a good person. But I wonder, does he actually not know at all what's going on? If he claims to not, it's because he's deceiving himself. Starting with when he and WZ sabotaged LS at work and continuing until now. He knows that WZ was playing games with him, lying to him, keeping him waiting, but he went for that. So he knows she's not a straightforward woman, regardless of what BS she spoon-feeds him.

I hope his friend LH points out what WZ is doing because he's much more savvy when it comes to relationships despite being the only character who isn't really in one.