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Apologies, that was a clumsy comment. You are right, it's not meant as western audiences, but global audiences.

Thanks! Sounds for the domestic audience then! The international audiences will need to shut off part of their brains.😂

I have not gone back to see what sort of comments were made but I'm not against people shipping characters. Maybe they are from the original book readers? Those purists?

I agree about the massive toxic MLs that seems to be all en-vogue for now. Storyline styles go around in circles and then move on. I hope there will be some change for that too. Regarding ML toxic characters, there has been a slight change towards seeing more stronger FLs recently. I just finished The Blossoming Love which was a very refreshing story. FL's one arc was almost similar to A Journey to Love which was a success.

Thanks for letting me know it's tame. I might join to watch as I'm a little nervous watching these types of dramas.

Sorry if I assumed you were comparing to other countries, my bad. However, this so called BL line needs to be cross-checked with the original source material. If it was not there, then the makers of this drama is queer baiting for cheap gains for the drama. That's low.

BL popularity in China was stopped, not because of intolerance towards it, but it was due to some drama makers using it as a quick short-cut to gain viewers and often storylines were poor and had no artistic value. It was inserted in just to gain more female fandom through these BL crowds.

Take a look around the current crop of big male stars today, they gained their fame through being in BL dramas. I support this. as it was impacting the quality of dramas through 2017 to 2022.

I cannot comment as I have not watched this drama yet. However your comments are very fitting to what I wrote. They are like that because of their political backgrounds.

Japan and S.Korea are (on the face of it)allies and friendly to each other. China has had some very sticky relationships with Japan and S.Korea, and I will not go into details on this forum, but if you like to over-look these very obvious things, then that's fine, but my comments addressed them including other Asian nations in the area.

Your views are very typical of the mindset that's being brought up in countries outside of China. I remind you that this drama is not aimed for international audiences. You are just peeking into a domestic drama?

The Chinese audiences will have a far different history and background to your viewpoint. Just a little insight. But yes, your opinions here are valid too.

I haven't watched any of it yet, and yes I know it's romance first and war second, which is why I have delayed watching! I just thought the original poster might want to hear my perspective.

I often see similar reactions in other dramas. It's almost always levelled at China, (western media doing a good job on the propaganda front), and I too was a bit like that in my early days of watching C-Dramas, and see this as a sort of entitled culture clash.

In the end, I realised, some of us might just be expecting the world to cater to our own needs, expectations and worse still, culture. That's when I realised, this is so entitled and not open minded at all. I hope more viewers will realise some of these comments stem from that, and also lack of understanding the countries' history when watching their dramas/films. I think it's always useful to learn more on their history and background as that often spills into their films/dramas.

You are right. The general tone is, if you like our stuff, come to us. They have a growing entertainment circuit that thrives to the point that domestic audiences have little to no appetite for international stars. Many foreign made films are not making much dent on their domestic audiences either and the gap has been filled the last 4 years.

I have seen many international audiences opening Weibo accounts increasing due to this, even against a backdrop of anti China propaganda campaign going on for decades. It's through film and music, people will eventually seek stuff from China. That is why China doesn't need to seek western approval for their dramas/films.

The problem with your comments are a little mis understood. Reality is in Japan & South Korea, do they recognise same sex marriages/unions? Also, it is illegal to have same sexual relationships in the South Korean army. In Britain this was only legal from 2000.

This does not mean it doesn't happen and if the drama portrays this in a subtle way, then that's progress, although I'm inclined to think this is an antennae for the BL crowd that are aimed primarily at the female audiences and nothing to do with how some term it as LGBT. Often misunderstood by some international fandoms.

You are parroting western media's propaganda (a hypocritical one) of China when many countries around the world are very much intolerant. China is not some intolerant country towards LGBT, but like many countries around the world, it's a minority group and often not represented very well.

I'm not watching this at the moment yet, but I want to say that some of this might be rooted in China's history. They are unlike many of the nations you are getting your dramas from. Former colonisers trying to move on from their past or countries that are under governments that pander to the great western nations.

China's recent history is of big change and of course a revolution. Being a big nation, this kept them for decades in a big group mentality to make it all work. There was very little time for the type of thinking you have, that's rooted in individualism. That affects how dramas are made when it involves war. In dramas outside of China, It's subtle and almost apologetic in some sense but be sure it's still the same message, but it's re-sold through names like Rambo.

In China, over time, it forms part of a bigger picture and a collective. This trickles down into all walks of life in China. They have every right to feel proud and heroic. They don't have all the baggage of being colonised or under any form of pact or control with other nations with a strong moral code. You are just witnessing their emotional state after big trauma, and in a sense it's a bit apt considering this drama.

She's photo bombed Nadina Domestica (Heavenly Bamboo) which is the most interesting one.

Yes, I can see... With her playing this character, I sense a bit of pity for her, because after all, she has been spoilt for too long by her family, a product of the system. Her love for SML is pure in her mind and she's unable to accept he's moved on.

Zhang Yaqin can never be annoying to me. I am feeling something more will happen to her character. I sincerely hope her character will have more dimension and not stay like some 2 dimensional character.

Where's my insult to you? In your last post to me, you said "holy opinion", I didn't take that as an insult lol.

Play the victim. But it's not going to change people into thinking like you.

It was nice talking to you. I hope you have a lovely day.

You have such a lack of self-awareness, lol. You're the person up and down the comments section every day repeating where this drama went wrong & the FL is a cheater. If anyone feels differently, you are back here on repeat again, trying to bash it into their heads.

I heard you the first time, the third time and the the tenth time. The more you say it, the more off putting you are, and more people are unlikely to come round to your thinking.

"You have finally proved you are not here for romance so any Futher arguments with you on the romance Arc is a waste of time... You might not be here for romance but that doesn't mean others aren't here for romance.."

I didn't say I wasn't here for romance, I said "some" people? I'm actually here for romance and a good story?

You are taking the storyline way too emotionally and to this extreme. There is no problem with yourself interpreting the story that way. What is the issue, is you coming here and trying to brow-beat people into thinking your way.

No not everyone came for pure romance lol. You can keep repeating yourself, I'm getting even more unconvinced now.

Watch 'Imperfect Victim' a Chinese drama. You might learn a thing or two about other women's lives, and about anti women people like yourselves.

Your comments are shocking. In those scenes you have interpreted her under duress as being unfaithful because you are busy counting the minutes on when she actually stabs SML - and that is how you determined she actually liked the SML not in a friendship way?

So what if there was 3 bows? Again, that is also your interpretation of her being disloyal to the ML?

BTW for others to know, by this point the SML is no long the old NXY character but into the next incarnation, and you are thinking her character would treat and react to him as NXY?

You are not even following the story properly. She is reacting exactly as expected, since he is not a reasonable being, and very dangerous character at this stage.

Don't people everyone. There are quite a few of us that don't feel the same way as you. I wrote what I wrote originally about the drama adaptation vs the book and personally, I don't think the screen writers are all at fault. I think the book was substandard.

If you read the book, then you will see the author was already fond and favourable towards NXY's character. I feel the adaptation tried to stay as close to the original source material, but had to flesh out some parts and they did pretty well.

I don't think there was a CP with the SML. It was more like a familial or twin bond. Unlike you, I don't think she cheated, and neither do some of us.

If that's how you feel, and interpreted the story, I'm not here to convince you. There was more than enough scenes of the main CP and skin-ship in the beginning two thirds of the way, and there was no complaints then. So, if they can't convince you with their CP, then that's your issue. I was convinced in them.