TianQi

My Engineer's strength hasn't been in the fact that it's creating crazy, nuances in the world of BL, it's in the fact that it hasn't been making any fatally stupid mistakes in their execution of the plot.

This last episode seems like one of those fatally stupid mistakes, but I think it's just because we're seeing too many serious conflicts between all but one couple within just ONE episode. However, these conflicts aren't random. They've been built-up and sidestepped throughout the series.

Duen and Bohn's fundamental relationship issues are Bohn's lack of trust and insecurity along with Duen's timidity. Bohn comes on too hard to Duen sometimes, but in truth, Duen really and truly cares for Bohn. We know that, so we know this will work itself out. Story-wise though, I think it would be too mild of a conflict for Mild (no pun intended there) to just show up for 15 minutes of conflict, then never be seen again. Especially, since the notion of a Bohn-Frong battle over Duen got squashed by Frong saying that he would back off plus being pursued by Thara. It should be remembered that Duen broke up with Bohn because of trust issues, though, not infidelity...before we go trying to compare/contrast tonight's episode with 2Classmates.

With Mek and Boss, again, we don't really see them have a real conflict earlier on in the series, but we do see the seed planted for one. Fon loved Boss since high school, so we can't just assume that just because she got famous, Boss means absolutely nothing to her. It would almost be too simplistic of a storyline if it was "Mek and Boss are best friends who both secretly crush on each other BUT WAIT Boss likes a girl, but the girl becomes an idol...and she's too busy for him, so then conveniently they both realize love each other and live happily ever after" right? I mean, I personally would be perfectly happy with that storyline, but it's a plausible possibility that Fon would come back in the picture.

Ram and King are both a little weird. Ram is tons of affection to give, but his face doesn't show it. He's also dealing with his family issues, so he needs a huge emotional comfort in that aspect too. King, while he obviously likes Ram, may have something in common with Duen in that he needs things to be taken slow. This comes across as odd to the viewers because he's been the one pursuing Ram. Tbh it comes off to me as odd too, but I know (hope) it's gonna work out fine.

Aside from the fact that nobody likes to see conflict between the couples we've all grown to love, I think this episode was really only weak because all the conflicts got played out at once.

No apologies needed. They all deserve the love, but Ting needs to be included. lol

YES.

BohnDuen this, RamKing that, but can we talk about TING?? Best friend and comedic relief of the year.

I don't think there's official censorship on it, but I think it's an active choice on the part of production to make it that way. That's also the genuine sentiment of a lot of people in Chinese society though too.

Done, but that was SO stressful. Too many choices. haha Also, I think it's unfair to rank series against movies, but oh well.

I almost want to refuse to do this because of how hard the choices are. lol

Ok, I see what you mean now. Yeah, the material that had was deep and uncomfortable, but the writing and acting didn't deliver it the way it could have been. This was supplemented by lots of chemistry between the leads, steamy scenes, and cutesy scenes. All that said, at least TharnType didn't end up being as boring as 2buddies turned out to be. Shout out to Win though. His acting carried this series...until about ep 10 when Tine's character changed.

I basically want to echo what Gerverich already said. At no point was that creep who molested Type tried to be played off as hot during the show. They also never made light that child abuse. It was a huge factor of Type's entire character. Everything from aggressive homophobia to his awkwardness in sexual intimacy. It's what made the fact that Tharn took advantage him while was sleeping even worse. Those points all illustrated how horrible sexual abuse is....it definitely wasn't glossed over like it was in other shows.

But anyway, as others have said, both were indeed overrated.

People aren't ok with murder, but people like horror movies. People aren't ok with natural disasters, but people watch movies about killer storms and volcanoes. The series had problematic elements because LIFE has problematic elements and they wanted to show it in film. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

If you REALLY want to know why 2gether has a lower rating than TharnType, instead of just looking at the number at the top, check the hundreds of comments down here at the bottom of the page, you'll quickly realize it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of kisses.

SAME. I literally just stumbled across the thumbnail on YouTube and I was like, "Meh, I may watch it later, but lemme just see the first episode.".... HOOKED.

This entire thread. lmfaooooo

Not sure if this is legit a really, really good show or if I'm just recovering from 2gether. lol j/k But I really like this show (ep. 5). It hasn't taken a wrong step for me yet. I hope they can keep it up.

He came off as inarticulate to me when there were times when Tine clearly misunderstood him, but instead of just saying plainly how Tine misunderstood, he just did that thing where he makes his eyes small, scoffs, then looks the other way. Like, why let your bf/loved one wallow in their sadness/misunderstanding while you wait to say it on stage? He was shameless about his love at first, but then when it comes to actually handling the relationship (when no one else is around except Tine himself), it's like he's switched bodies a little.

I don't mind a brooding, laconic guy or 高冷 as we would say in China. That type of thing is good and really attractive when it's done well like Phana in 2 Moons or (to more of an extreme) Lan Wang Ji in The Untamed, but Sarawat just seems wishy-washy and almost like a pushover a lot of the time, to me.

I know you're not trying to change any opinions. It's just conversation. It's good to exchange ideas, I think...especially about a topic both people like.

I think the musical aspect of it was a little cringy at times tbh and I couldn't get over how without words Wat finds himself all the time, but is somehow able to not only write lyrics and music for exclusively love songs, but able to shamelessly sing them out in public. Like...what? lol It takes a missing bf and a dirty bus for you to properly articulate? Meh...

Make It Right was a comedy more than anything else for me. There were a lot of umm...weird(?) things about it though. lol

I don't mind when the action happens, personally. It's a bit weird when it's the first episode (like Make It Right), but if it's a fundamental part of the storyline, then OK. The biggest turn offs for me were Bright's acting and the lackluster subplots. We've just seen it all before and I could forgive it if really excelled in just one area, but sucked in others, but this one just average in every category for me (storyline, acting, production quality, chemistry). It wasn't terrible, I admit that, but it really wasn't very good either.

"I think it depends on a persons' expectations and what other BLs they've watched before." <----Totally agreed. Also, the hype that this BL got set the bar a lot higher than it needed to be.

I feel like if you've never watched a BL before and this is where you start, it'll leave a good impression on you and it'll make you want to watch more BLs. To that end, I think I can appreciate this one. However, if you've been watching the multitude of BLs that Thailand has been pumping out since like 2015 (like so many of us have), it's really, REALLY hard to cut this one some slack.

Just watch all the HIStory series tbh. There are a couple of flops in there, but most of them are still good. lol

Agreed. In general, when it comes to deciding what priority to put a BL show on my list to watch, I usually just read through the comments instead of going by the rating. 2gether and its fanbase is probably the best example I've seen of why I do this and why I encourage others to as well.