thanks , now I know I won't be watching it.. trash
Oki. I'll reply as polite as I can (because your last sentence, "your post lacks creativity", was low) and on a simple level than even you can understand.
1. If you don't have the "education" as you put it, then don't post anything about it. It is not a MUST. Btw, than only your logic, I never said you must be "technically educated in the media arts". Some simple examples: should you be a chef to know if the food is burnt? Should you be a plumber to know that if the water is overflowing there's a problem with the toilet ? Should you be a pilot to know that a helicopter in a tree is not something normal? Simpler than this I can't, I hope you get the point.... 2. Your new comment started ok. Personal opinions about quality, it was ok. It doesn't even matter if they were correct or not, it was ok. But then you said "My comments referred to the SCRIPT and acting". Except you did not. You just rambled about "its a good thing that they took this route and did X thing". And personal opinions about skinny women and politics. Yes, those are personal opinions, you should realise that. Btw, as a side note, the script and acting are sht. When stuff happens "just because", when domino events happen one after another just to make the story be, thats bad writing. And being ok with it, its your fault. You shouldn't just accept it and say "oh, well, what can we do now about it?". Its the main problem as to why the quality had dropped so much in the past years. Shouldn't you demand better? Wouldn't you like a better story, where the events have a logical flow? A very very simple example: is it possible that an umbrella hooks a girl and drags her a couple of meters so that she just happens to get in front of ML? NO! The umbrella should be fasten so tight as to not bend, or that it wouldn't rip the guy's backpack. And the guy should be ret****d enough to keep walking. And the guy should be super muscular to keep walking at all, and not falling on its ass cause of the changing momentum. Btw, all of this its called "plot contrivance" aka, it doesn't breaks the story but its wonky writing. You could write a different set of events (logical ones) and end up with the same result. Sure, the name skit and intentional reta***d dialogue that follows are not better, hence the sht script. Yes, they set it up earlier, in the car, so this is a payoff. Thats good writing, I'll gladly give then that, but how it got there and why that precisely skit was used, thats dumb. Having plot contrivances happen one after another, after another, after another, after another, thats bad script. Remember the laptop scene? Need I say more? And then you can have plot holes, when an event that happens contradicts some rule previously set in the drama's universe. Btw, story is something talking about the whole movie/drama, plot means the specific of the scenes. A tiny bit for your crash course, yw.
3. Fashion. You said good things and bad things. IF (I really needed to accentuate that) you really need to talk about fashion in a drama, sure you can talk about it, I'd rather learn about script, visuals, audio, pacing etc. But lets talk fashion. Yes, you see the whole picture and you either like it or don't. And then you nitpick colours, cuts etc. Exactly! You got it right here. Just saying "I like it" its not enough, because people will ask "why is that". Oh, you can't say why that dress is nice? You can't say why the trumpets at the end messed up? Then don't talk about it!!! (Not specifically you, the people in general that do this). Thats what "you" don't get (again, not you specifically, per se) and its the main reason as to why a lot of sht media in recent years got a higher rating than better ones from past 10 years (for example). Lots of people saying "beautiful actors, I love them from other works, this drama is a 10!". Do you understand why that is bad? I can't explain it more simpler.... " You fall in love with someone in spite of their faults. You dont nitpick that you love them bc they are certain height and weight or look, etc. You just love WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT." Wrong. Again, thats a personal opinion. Because YOU love that person, it doesn't apply itself to the whole world. Oki, Its a bit more complicated because factors like demographics, region etc matter and this is not the place to talk about it, but the main point remais the same. An simple example, again. The person you love likes hitting puppies. And you "just love WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT." See the problem? Are you gonna say "wait, I wouldn't love then then"? Why? Didn't you say that the specifics don't matter? Oh, that specific one does? Based on what? PERSONAL opinions? Wow. What other specific personal ones do you have? And apparently its the same for media you like, right? You said so earlier, you like because you just do, don't know how to explain it, you just do, right? Well, tell us more about yourself then. Forget the main question "is this drama good", lets talk about the specifics so that we can find out what kind of person you are, so that we MIGHT understand what parts of a drama you MIGHT like or not. And then lets do the same for the next person that posts an opinion about drama. And the next. Sure, we could just learn the opinions about the drama in itself, from those who (apparently) should be well-versed in dissecting a drama, but its "better" to read about " the F is a computer sci major and it is good. The reverse trope plot is good. the non-skinny women is good. LGBT is good. The fashion is good. The script and acting are good". For get the "why" and "how", some no one just said it is. He/she might like to hit puppies and is loved by someone else no matter the faults, but he/she said this drama is "good". Riiiight.... Side note. First you see a dress and you like it or not. That is not something that comes from the void, you know? The human mind creates shapes, and finds some pleasing, some not. Then it gets into play the "education" or "experience" about fashion. What works, what doesn't. Even if you think that you "see first" and then check as to why, thats not true. I mean yes, but you're doing it twice. The mind did it for you in a split second, based of your past input, and gave you the simpler respond of "yes, no, maybe". Then when you actively analyse it, you basically retrace the train thought used earlier. So what you think that it is a "simple" choice has in fact a bit more things happening under the hood.
4. "Also, I am psychic and I WILL respond to the INTENT AND THE FEEL OF THE ART PIECE. And other people are too... " Thank you. Thats exactly the problem that you don't get. Again. If not dumb, the people (usually) will get the intent behind the scenes, but that means you're writing the story instead of the author. In simpler words (again, I feel that you need this), the screenwriter (or the source's author, when it is used) did a poor job. Filling in the blanks means that author is sht. And here I'm talking about stuff that may impact the story. If the script makes you wonder, "wait, what? How is that possible?" and the answer is "just because', thats bad writing. Also, "intent and feel" means sht, because (AGAIN) those are personal opinions and those are irrelevant. You don't know the author's intent, you just think you do. Again, a very simple example. The movie "Joker". Good reviews, loved by many. The director got angry said people missed the point. So he made a sequel. Sht movie, it bombed. So, you are wrong. AGAIN. You are not a psychic, sorry. As a side note. You or your students listening to just certain pieces, based on a person's temperament, means you're not doing your job properly. Not just as a music teacher, but also as an educator. It just so happens that I have a friend that teaches music classes too. Vocals. I wanna talk about him because I was shocked to find out how loved and appreciated he is by ALL his students, yes, but also by their parents. He's a big buy, double the size, long hair, full beard, heavy-metal. But when it comes to music, he can talk and teach everything aspect, every genre. Classics, rock, latino, hip-hop. You name it. Does it enjoy all those genres? Not really. But he can give damn good advices as what techniques to use and such. And more importantly, in just a few months he made the kids understand that different people exist and to accept all, no matter race, religion, politics, musical genres. And the kids also got to talk more with their parents about their problems. Apparently that was a big issue, dunno why.. Second side note. You shouldn't put the human and the artist at the same level. You can like his music, no matter how he is as a person. I'm sure you like music of some people that are as horrible (if not more) in real life too, you just don't know it yet. Or you ignore it. Or, as was demonstrated earlier, you have dubious taste, so basically you liking music has nothing to do with its author's level of humanity. Example: do you like anything Disney? Or Do you like pandas? Need I say more? :)))
5. "And I totally care for the script and the MESSAGE of the art piece. To me, that is important, because, at the end, ONLY that is the lasting impression." As demonstrated earlier, you can't know the message or the author's intent, so this thing is null. And if you say "the author said so in an article", well, the end result is sht, so, again, it is null, because the intent is not the same with what we got. Example: "I wanted to bake a cake" , but all we got was bread. I hope its simple enough that even you can understand.
6. "your post lacks creativity. Sure you have to do all those technical things. But also ... the magic sprice is CREATIVITY". Are you saying I should invent things? Or are you saying I should say the same opinions in a different way? What for? I gave a basic, general, dumb-down version of what a review should be about. Oh, YOU don't like it? You prefer to talk about personal things and assume its ok to force people to accept them? Ok, not force them, but you're unhappy when people won't freely accept them. For personal stuff, pls check a professional. And repeating myself, you don't NEED TO post anything if you feel you don't know about it.
BTW, fun fact. Loving people even with faults but not liking music because faults its a plot hole. Ok, thats not really true, I was being cheeky. Or was I?
Feel free not replying anymore. I won't. I won't bother trying in making you understand. You either will, and my reply would be a thumbs up, of you wont, and that means you don't have the capacity or the will, or worse, you don't wanna. Your original post was about "why? you should watch it and decide for yourself". I tried to explain why, what would make people check for themselves. Thats all. You then felt the need to explain it to me, because my post "lacks creativity", whatever that means. Do you mean boring? Thas ok, I'm not hunting for views/likes/favorites/hearts or whatever. Did you mean inventing stuff? No, ty. I hope my new post will please, that it was spicy enough. It took me 3-4 hours to write this (albeit I had a lot of breaks, for eating and such) and I don't wanna do it anymore. Thats why my writing might feel weird at times (if). I won't bother to check your new opinion and I'll just hope that I won't lose sleep over it.
thanks , now I know I won't be watching it.. trash
Let me help you with that. You never said anything about its quality. How's the visuals, the cinematography, the colour palette, the pacing, the story, the screenplay, the settings and payoffs, the plot devices, plot contrivances, plot holes, (if any), the acting, the editing, the sound, character development, fight choreography (when there is one) and so on and so forth? All you've said is basically reduced to " how great that X was done". Where X might be: reversed drama plot, FL is a computer science major, the lgbt (and then talking nonsense about politics involving it) and so on and so forth. You liking something means nothing if no one knows what you like. For example, imagine you said "I liked that they killed those dogs". People would be enraged, thinking you're not a good person, when in fact the story was about cybernetic killing machines that loosely resembled something on 4 legs and big teeth (that also barked and that made you associate them with dogs), that went and ripped babies apart. And then you ask them to watch and decide themselves. So, when talking about a piece of media, pls say stuff about its quality, not you feelings. You could say "it was bad because the story made no sense, but I've enjoyed it". Thats perfectly fine, because you can enjoy bad media (aka "my guilty pleasure"). Because feelings can change based on circumstances, a media's quality is based on specific metrics (for most parts). Have a lovely day.
1. If you don't have the "education" as you put it, then don't post anything about it. It is not a MUST. Btw, than only your logic, I never said you must be "technically educated in the media arts". Some simple examples: should you be a chef to know if the food is burnt? Should you be a plumber to know that if the water is overflowing there's a problem with the toilet ? Should you be a pilot to know that a helicopter in a tree is not something normal? Simpler than this I can't, I hope you get the point....
2. Your new comment started ok. Personal opinions about quality, it was ok. It doesn't even matter if they were correct or not, it was ok. But then you said "My comments referred to the SCRIPT and acting". Except you did not. You just rambled about "its a good thing that they took this route and did X thing". And personal opinions about skinny women and politics. Yes, those are personal opinions, you should realise that.
Btw, as a side note, the script and acting are sht. When stuff happens "just because", when domino events happen one after another just to make the story be, thats bad writing. And being ok with it, its your fault. You shouldn't just accept it and say "oh, well, what can we do now about it?". Its the main problem as to why the quality had dropped so much in the past years. Shouldn't you demand better? Wouldn't you like a better story, where the events have a logical flow?
A very very simple example: is it possible that an umbrella hooks a girl and drags her a couple of meters so that she just happens to get in front of ML? NO! The umbrella should be fasten so tight as to not bend, or that it wouldn't rip the guy's backpack. And the guy should be ret****d enough to keep walking. And the guy should be super muscular to keep walking at all, and not falling on its ass cause of the changing momentum. Btw, all of this its called "plot contrivance" aka, it doesn't breaks the story but its wonky writing. You could write a different set of events (logical ones) and end up with the same result. Sure, the name skit and intentional reta***d dialogue that follows are not better, hence the sht script. Yes, they set it up earlier, in the car, so this is a payoff. Thats good writing, I'll gladly give then that, but how it got there and why that precisely skit was used, thats dumb. Having plot contrivances happen one after another, after another, after another, after another, thats bad script. Remember the laptop scene? Need I say more?
And then you can have plot holes, when an event that happens contradicts some rule previously set in the drama's universe. Btw, story is something talking about the whole movie/drama, plot means the specific of the scenes. A tiny bit for your crash course, yw.
3. Fashion. You said good things and bad things. IF (I really needed to accentuate that) you really need to talk about fashion in a drama, sure you can talk about it, I'd rather learn about script, visuals, audio, pacing etc. But lets talk fashion. Yes, you see the whole picture and you either like it or don't. And then you nitpick colours, cuts etc. Exactly! You got it right here. Just saying "I like it" its not enough, because people will ask "why is that". Oh, you can't say why that dress is nice? You can't say why the trumpets at the end messed up? Then don't talk about it!!! (Not specifically you, the people in general that do this). Thats what "you" don't get (again, not you specifically, per se) and its the main reason as to why a lot of sht media in recent years got a higher rating than better ones from past 10 years (for example). Lots of people saying "beautiful actors, I love them from other works, this drama is a 10!". Do you understand why that is bad? I can't explain it more simpler....
" You fall in love with someone in spite of their faults. You dont nitpick that you love them bc they are certain height and weight or look, etc. You just love WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT." Wrong. Again, thats a personal opinion. Because YOU love that person, it doesn't apply itself to the whole world. Oki, Its a bit more complicated because factors like demographics, region etc matter and this is not the place to talk about it, but the main point remais the same.
An simple example, again. The person you love likes hitting puppies. And you "just love WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT." See the problem? Are you gonna say "wait, I wouldn't love then then"? Why? Didn't you say that the specifics don't matter? Oh, that specific one does? Based on what? PERSONAL opinions? Wow. What other specific personal ones do you have? And apparently its the same for media you like, right? You said so earlier, you like because you just do, don't know how to explain it, you just do, right? Well, tell us more about yourself then. Forget the main question "is this drama good", lets talk about the specifics so that we can find out what kind of person you are, so that we MIGHT understand what parts of a drama you MIGHT like or not. And then lets do the same for the next person that posts an opinion about drama. And the next. Sure, we could just learn the opinions about the drama in itself, from those who (apparently) should be well-versed in dissecting a drama, but its "better" to read about " the F is a computer sci major and it is good. The reverse trope plot is good. the non-skinny women is good. LGBT is good. The fashion is good. The script and acting are good". For get the "why" and "how", some no one just said it is. He/she might like to hit puppies and is loved by someone else no matter the faults, but he/she said this drama is "good". Riiiight....
Side note. First you see a dress and you like it or not. That is not something that comes from the void, you know? The human mind creates shapes, and finds some pleasing, some not. Then it gets into play the "education" or "experience" about fashion. What works, what doesn't. Even if you think that you "see first" and then check as to why, thats not true. I mean yes, but you're doing it twice. The mind did it for you in a split second, based of your past input, and gave you the simpler respond of "yes, no, maybe". Then when you actively analyse it, you basically retrace the train thought used earlier.
So what you think that it is a "simple" choice has in fact a bit more things happening under the hood.
4. "Also, I am psychic and I WILL respond to the INTENT AND THE FEEL OF THE ART PIECE. And other people are too... " Thank you. Thats exactly the problem that you don't get. Again. If not dumb, the people (usually) will get the intent behind the scenes, but that means you're writing the story instead of the author. In simpler words (again, I feel that you need this), the screenwriter (or the source's author, when it is used) did a poor job. Filling in the blanks means that author is sht. And here I'm talking about stuff that may impact the story. If the script makes you wonder, "wait, what? How is that possible?" and the answer is "just because', thats bad writing.
Also, "intent and feel" means sht, because (AGAIN) those are personal opinions and those are irrelevant. You don't know the author's intent, you just think you do. Again, a very simple example. The movie "Joker". Good reviews, loved by many. The director got angry said people missed the point. So he made a sequel. Sht movie, it bombed. So, you are wrong. AGAIN. You are not a psychic, sorry.
As a side note. You or your students listening to just certain pieces, based on a person's temperament, means you're not doing your job properly. Not just as a music teacher, but also as an educator. It just so happens that I have a friend that teaches music classes too. Vocals. I wanna talk about him because I was shocked to find out how loved and appreciated he is by ALL his students, yes, but also by their parents. He's a big buy, double the size, long hair, full beard, heavy-metal. But when it comes to music, he can talk and teach everything aspect, every genre. Classics, rock, latino, hip-hop. You name it. Does it enjoy all those genres? Not really. But he can give damn good advices as what techniques to use and such. And more importantly, in just a few months he made the kids understand that different people exist and to accept all, no matter race, religion, politics, musical genres. And the kids also got to talk more with their parents about their problems. Apparently that was a big issue, dunno why..
Second side note. You shouldn't put the human and the artist at the same level. You can like his music, no matter how he is as a person. I'm sure you like music of some people that are as horrible (if not more) in real life too, you just don't know it yet. Or you ignore it. Or, as was demonstrated earlier, you have dubious taste, so basically you liking music has nothing to do with its author's level of humanity. Example: do you like anything Disney? Or Do you like pandas? Need I say more? :)))
5. "And I totally care for the script and the MESSAGE of the art piece.
To me, that is important, because, at the end, ONLY that is the lasting impression." As demonstrated earlier, you can't know the message or the author's intent, so this thing is null. And if you say "the author said so in an article", well, the end result is sht, so, again, it is null, because the intent is not the same with what we got. Example: "I wanted to bake a cake" , but all we got was bread. I hope its simple enough that even you can understand.
6. "your post lacks creativity. Sure you have to do all those technical things. But also ... the magic sprice is CREATIVITY".
Are you saying I should invent things? Or are you saying I should say the same opinions in a different way? What for? I gave a basic, general, dumb-down version of what a review should be about. Oh, YOU don't like it? You prefer to talk about personal things and assume its ok to force people to accept them? Ok, not force them, but you're unhappy when people won't freely accept them.
For personal stuff, pls check a professional.
And repeating myself, you don't NEED TO post anything if you feel you don't know about it.
BTW, fun fact. Loving people even with faults but not liking music because faults its a plot hole. Ok, thats not really true, I was being cheeky. Or was I?
Feel free not replying anymore. I won't. I won't bother trying in making you understand. You either will, and my reply would be a thumbs up, of you wont, and that means you don't have the capacity or the will, or worse, you don't wanna.
Your original post was about "why? you should watch it and decide for yourself". I tried to explain why, what would make people check for themselves. Thats all. You then felt the need to explain it to me, because my post "lacks creativity", whatever that means. Do you mean boring? Thas ok, I'm not hunting for views/likes/favorites/hearts or whatever. Did you mean inventing stuff? No, ty.
I hope my new post will please, that it was spicy enough. It took me 3-4 hours to write this (albeit I had a lot of breaks, for eating and such) and I don't wanna do it anymore. Thats why my writing might feel weird at times (if). I won't bother to check your new opinion and I'll just hope that I won't lose sleep over it.
Have a lovely day.
All you've said is basically reduced to " how great that X was done". Where X might be: reversed drama plot, FL is a computer science major, the lgbt (and then talking nonsense about politics involving it) and so on and so forth.
You liking something means nothing if no one knows what you like. For example, imagine you said "I liked that they killed those dogs". People would be enraged, thinking you're not a good person, when in fact the story was about cybernetic killing machines that loosely resembled something on 4 legs and big teeth (that also barked and that made you associate them with dogs), that went and ripped babies apart. And then you ask them to watch and decide themselves.
So, when talking about a piece of media, pls say stuff about its quality, not you feelings. You could say "it was bad because the story made no sense, but I've enjoyed it". Thats perfectly fine, because you can enjoy bad media (aka "my guilty pleasure"). Because feelings can change based on circumstances, a media's quality is based on specific metrics (for most parts).
Have a lovely day.