I have so many feelings about VegasPete...like you guys ive been a fan since the get go...when there were rumours…
Maybe we'll get to see more of their start as flashbacks in S2? My expectation is that they will feature more in S2, so it wouldn't be out of place to further fill out their relationship development, and they will have the support/space/time to do it.
A difficult watch - really good acting of a story that was aimed in the right direction, but misfired on some critical points. It did well on highlighting social media and cyberbullying, but mostly failed on showing justice for survivors, whether SM/bullying or assault/rape.
The amount of forgiveness & care Lookkaew showed for others made her seem like a saint, but often took away the self-determination of others for their own actions. No matter how much someone may be influenced by another person and their thoughts about that person, their actions are their own decisions and responsibility. While justice may not always follow in the real world, in a drama like this it should have been better served.
I loved this season and will miss having new episodes released. It really put me through the wringer emotionally, and was thought provoking as I have been someone who spent much of their life repressing (deeper, less "acceptable") emotions and avoiding conflict. The acting was masterful, and the supporting characters and their stories added more depth to the leads and their individual, unique personalities. Were they flawed? Were they hurtful? Yes, and yes. Do I always want to see this in a "BL"? No. Do I support those who choose a realistic portrayal of a relationship, where gender and sexuality is incidental to their love? Yes, yes, yes - because any of us on the queer spectrum are just as normal as those who are not. This season was not what I expected, but boy was it what I needed. I'll continue to watch fluff, dark, steamy and all variety of BL, GL (where I can find it) and queer dramas, and I will find some of them questionable, but for me this was unequivocally a triumph. I'd love to see these characters again, and would watch a Season 3, but there is still a sense of closure for me at the end of this season.
Also this cs is not it, if some of you want to also read positive opinions reviews and stuff from people who paid…
Thank you for this reminder. I'm attracted to black holes and rabbit holes, so try to stay off reddit, but I've just run to the TMS thread and it's filling up my sad little heart in the best way.
Disclaimer - I also thought "Our Blues" was a masterpiece.
I get where many commenters are coming from, but I am loving the emotional turmoil and mega feels they are bringing this series. Would I have liked it to be happier and sweeter? Yes. But I can also sympathise with both of the MLs, because for me I can (to some degree) understand how they think the way they do. HJW is such an overthinker,but also an emotional blocker so his coping methods combined with his insecurity and thinking he must always shoulder responsibility or bear the burden made him blind to how his choices affected others. That focus on the ex, where he realises he has behaved exactly as he felt she had done to him!
Even if they are not emotions I aim for in watching a BL, I am in awe of the masterful acting (and directing), that can make me feel so strongly for both of them. Their love for each other is so strongly evident, even if their flaws keep them apart (and HJW is on the heavier end of the flaw seesaw from KSJ). I hope they can find a way to heal and come back together for a supportive relationship - but frankly if it was RL, I'd certainly be expecting they were both in therapy.
My main concern at this point is that there's probably only time for them to reunite at the end of Ep 10, and I want a good length of time to see them trying hard to be the best they can be for themselves and each other. S3 is probably not gonna be an option if so many of you found this depressing and/or not worthwhile.
a kimchay rant:if you really think about it, kimchay is giving us the angstiest plotline right now. there's no…
I don't see Chay's decision to ditch that Uni interview in the same way as you do. Although he has spoken about becoming a muso with Porsche, when he was asked by Wik/Kim, he was evasive in answering why that was what he wanted to study.
When you look at the massive collection (and full-on shrine) that Chay had for Wik in his room, that's likely to be something he has built over an extended period of time. He has been a fan of Wik for a while, and likely crushing on for some of that. Then, for the last little while it felt like a fan's ultimate dream come true, until he found out Kim's real identity and believed him when Kim implied there were no feelings and it was deliberately and only for backgrounding.
I think it's possible Chay had an interest in music while younger, but it became his dream as he followed and became a huge fan of Wik. His knowledge of all the videos also points to his obsession here. Porsche wanted him to go to Uni, and so between Chay and Porsche their dreams worked together to become a direction they could take where the end point was a shared life doing something they liked (remember, that this was before meeting Wik, but he was already idolised).
Chay's got a massive amount of feelings and emotions to work through - not just because his crush deceived him, but also because his idol, and maybe his reason for choosing music as a pathway, built a connection and trust and encouraged his decision and told him he had talent and said to believe in his emotions when songwriting, then broke him (BROKE him). Even if you are a logical person, it would be hard to determine where some of that held truth and have faith in your abiities. I'm not at all surprised that he's feeling self-doubt, and wants to find ways to break away from where he was headed, and block out some of the pain he is feeling.
I'm not certain he would have taken those drugs, but even if he did choose to, I don't think it would have been a rational choice. He is definitely grieving IMO, and while I wouldn't suggest any substance as a great coping mechanism, he's far from alone in considering it. The change in hair colour/style also sits in with that - and also could stand as a big "Fuck You - you don't know me, or who I am".
I think Chay would probably come to his senses somewhat the next day, particularly if Porsche heard about what happened. They both spend so much energy in trying to protect each other that they sometimes don't share enough of what they are going through to work through shit together. Chay sure as fuck doen't want to disappoint his brother, but putting that off would have felt easier than having to talk about why he didn't want to go to the interview / study music. Pretty sure Porsche is stillin the dark re Chay and Kim at this stage, but feel free to correct me.
I here for all the absolutely messiness of this show, although, I need Nine to dial it down with rough treatment…
I bet Praew fights mean and messy. I guess at some point there'll be a Tee explosion/implosion. Meanwhile, Boat will be providing us the running (pocorn-supported) commentary.
If its an iqiyi show then I can't help but wonder why its not available on IQIYI in the UK. It just keeps saying,…
myasiantv.cc - For me the "option 3" server works best, but it might be different for you. If it is laggy, just try the different options. I have iQ membership, but as the renewal date is today, it's decided I'm not allowed to access. matv is a reasonable site, that still has popups on some servers, but not as bad as some of the others.
I enjoyed this a lot. Changing seasons, vs gender expression/identity, vs feelings. Also that we come to like the stories we tell ourselves about someone, which may not reflect their reality, or the stories they hold about themselves.
in their defense, I think BL webtoon and novel adaptations, like these, are trying to stay true to the original…
That was not a view point I had considered (though at least one of the dramas I was thinking of was not an adaptation), so thank you for encouraging me to look at a wider picture.
I hope that a director or producer would advocate strongly for things that would improve a story, but I realise that often they are constrained, and in some cases may join a project too far along to be able to set the conditions - everyone has to make a living...
While I realise a show like this would not go as far, if they want their BDSM to look realistic, they could at least have used Playboy & The Gang of Cherry as part of their reference material. Kamol might as well have been whipping Kim with a hankie, for all the strength in it and the marks (not) left behind. (note that I appreciated P&TGoC for its intention and art-house nature, but many people will not. Listen to the reviews on content, and go with your gut)
I'm interested to watch productions that are challenging in what they portray if they are done well. Sadly for me, this is not so far. Most of the story and acting felt very flat, with arguably the best acting going to Kim's parents - and even that seemed unrealistic because it felt TOO good to be true.
I don't know if there are cultural things I'm missing, but I don't get why more effort isn't put into the script/screenwriting lately, when there must be a reasonable sum of money invested into even low budget BL series. So many recent releases have plot holes and weird behaviour that leaves me far removed from the story and it becomes hard to connect with what the actors are attempting to deliver.
I'll keep watching for now, but I hope they bring a more authentic realism, rather so obviously faking us out, and that the leads' chemistry becomes visible. I really dislike dissing on someone's hard work, but I imagine a student film would get roasted for some of what we just watched.
I haven't read Shakespeare for years. Can you explain how that quote works as a pun please?
Haha, I doubt Pete had any idea of the depths the quote could reach, but having read your explanation, I wonder how much of that was known and deliberately chosen by the scriptwriters here.
The additional meanings fit so well, if in a slightly different way - both in the physicality of what's on the way, but also mentally/heartfully (SPOILER: and in the "dowry" that Pete gains in the novel).
The amount of forgiveness & care Lookkaew showed for others made her seem like a saint, but often took away the self-determination of others for their own actions. No matter how much someone may be influenced by another person and their thoughts about that person, their actions are their own decisions and responsibility. While justice may not always follow in the real world, in a drama like this it should have been better served.
The acting was masterful, and the supporting characters and their stories added more depth to the leads and their individual, unique personalities. Were they flawed? Were they hurtful? Yes, and yes. Do I always want to see this in a "BL"? No. Do I support those who choose a realistic portrayal of a relationship, where gender and sexuality is incidental to their love? Yes, yes, yes - because any of us on the queer spectrum are just as normal as those who are not.
This season was not what I expected, but boy was it what I needed. I'll continue to watch fluff, dark, steamy and all variety of BL, GL (where I can find it) and queer dramas, and I will find some of them questionable, but for me this was unequivocally a triumph. I'd love to see these characters again, and would watch a Season 3, but there is still a sense of closure for me at the end of this season.
Not disputing your opinion on the season, just sharing that I suppose I see it as a different sort of love story in addition to the BL aspect.
I get where many commenters are coming from, but I am loving the emotional turmoil and mega feels they are bringing this series. Would I have liked it to be happier and sweeter? Yes. But I can also sympathise with both of the MLs, because for me I can (to some degree) understand how they think the way they do. HJW is such an overthinker,but also an emotional blocker so his coping methods combined with his insecurity and thinking he must always shoulder responsibility or bear the burden made him blind to how his choices affected others. That focus on the ex, where he realises he has behaved exactly as he felt she had done to him!
Even if they are not emotions I aim for in watching a BL, I am in awe of the masterful acting (and directing), that can make me feel so strongly for both of them. Their love for each other is so strongly evident, even if their flaws keep them apart (and HJW is on the heavier end of the flaw seesaw from KSJ). I hope they can find a way to heal and come back together for a supportive relationship - but frankly if it was RL, I'd certainly be expecting they were both in therapy.
My main concern at this point is that there's probably only time for them to reunite at the end of Ep 10, and I want a good length of time to see them trying hard to be the best they can be for themselves and each other. S3 is probably not gonna be an option if so many of you found this depressing and/or not worthwhile.
When you look at the massive collection (and full-on shrine) that Chay had for Wik in his room, that's likely to be something he has built over an extended period of time. He has been a fan of Wik for a while, and likely crushing on for some of that. Then, for the last little while it felt like a fan's ultimate dream come true, until he found out Kim's real identity and believed him when Kim implied there were no feelings and it was deliberately and only for backgrounding.
I think it's possible Chay had an interest in music while younger, but it became his dream as he followed and became a huge fan of Wik. His knowledge of all the videos also points to his obsession here. Porsche wanted him to go to Uni, and so between Chay and Porsche their dreams worked together to become a direction they could take where the end point was a shared life doing something they liked (remember, that this was before meeting Wik, but he was already idolised).
Chay's got a massive amount of feelings and emotions to work through - not just because his crush deceived him, but also because his idol, and maybe his reason for choosing music as a pathway, built a connection and trust and encouraged his decision and told him he had talent and said to believe in his emotions when songwriting, then broke him (BROKE him). Even if you are a logical person, it would be hard to determine where some of that held truth and have faith in your abiities. I'm not at all surprised that he's feeling self-doubt, and wants to find ways to break away from where he was headed, and block out some of the pain he is feeling.
I'm not certain he would have taken those drugs, but even if he did choose to, I don't think it would have been a rational choice. He is definitely grieving IMO, and while I wouldn't suggest any substance as a great coping mechanism, he's far from alone in considering it. The change in hair colour/style also sits in with that - and also could stand as a big "Fuck You - you don't know me, or who I am".
I think Chay would probably come to his senses somewhat the next day, particularly if Porsche heard about what happened. They both spend so much energy in trying to protect each other that they sometimes don't share enough of what they are going through to work through shit together. Chay sure as fuck doen't want to disappoint his brother, but putting that off would have felt easier than having to talk about why he didn't want to go to the interview / study music. Pretty sure Porsche is stillin the dark re Chay and Kim at this stage, but feel free to correct me.
Anyway, that got longer than I thought. Shrug.
I hope that a director or producer would advocate strongly for things that would improve a story, but I realise that often they are constrained, and in some cases may join a project too far along to be able to set the conditions - everyone has to make a living...
I'm interested to watch productions that are challenging in what they portray if they are done well. Sadly for me, this is not so far. Most of the story and acting felt very flat, with arguably the best acting going to Kim's parents - and even that seemed unrealistic because it felt TOO good to be true.
I don't know if there are cultural things I'm missing, but I don't get why more effort isn't put into the script/screenwriting lately, when there must be a reasonable sum of money invested into even low budget BL series. So many recent releases have plot holes and weird behaviour that leaves me far removed from the story and it becomes hard to connect with what the actors are attempting to deliver.
I'll keep watching for now, but I hope they bring a more authentic realism, rather so obviously faking us out, and that the leads' chemistry becomes visible. I really dislike dissing on someone's hard work, but I imagine a student film would get roasted for some of what we just watched.
The additional meanings fit so well, if in a slightly different way - both in the physicality of what's on the way, but also mentally/heartfully (SPOILER: and in the "dowry" that Pete gains in the novel).
Thanks for your explanation.