You are talking about Japanese yaois, The bls you are talking about USED TO BE THAT WAY long ago with rape fantasies…
Talk to someone else to get your daily fill of hatred and acrimonies....you are problematic one affirming that toxicity in dramas is not a problem to you but rapist in the cast is a problem....how are two things apart from each other...most Thai bls do show forced romance similar ...most even show same sex rape.....wth are you even getting at....if you are worthy human being why don't employ your time to what suits you instead of destroying the peaceful community here!!!
You are talking about Japanese yaois, The bls you are talking about USED TO BE THAT WAY long ago with rape fantasies…
Don't you dare accuse me with that vulgar wrd again ..I am done with you...I am not homophobic.....I will not repeat that again......you are being narrow minded!!!! wTH this person .....so uncouth ...never encountered someone like you....keeps on accusing me of something I didn't say .....by what means are you calling me homophobes....did I ever say anything against the community.....You perjurer trying to get sympathy.....!!! I also don't care abt you hellish opinions...you downright hater and liar!!!
yeah cool story.The way to fix BLs and the heteronormative lens they are often written and film with is NOT by…
They are doing censors to Target their home audience....it's as simple as that.... But now if you go in comment section of that drama ADSG....negative comments are nowhere to be found ....it's been years ...no one brought up hatred again there....but this one is constantly getting hatred,.....also webnovel reader of this one also claimed that the original source material doesn't have heavy emphasis on romance like that one....so that's not the point to compare..... Either way to me it's more disrespectful to alter the plot by introducing female lead and presenting it as male/female dynamic...instead of modifying the gay relationship into bromance/friendship and retaining the male/male dynamic ......
You are talking about Japanese yaois, The bls you are talking about USED TO BE THAT WAY long ago with rape fantasies…
It's better than the fucking hatred that you are spreading here....you haven't lived a life as LGBT people so don't use them as a tool to prove your hatred right....you are simply insolent and bigoted bl stan...nothing else Pursue your degree of specialisation in BLs....
You are talking about Japanese yaois, The bls you are talking about USED TO BE THAT WAY long ago with rape fantasies…
Are you saying the same thing what I was trying to say..... Did you also misunderstand like @theabnormalhuman didš Bro I have nothing against the genre..I was just trying to prove its a fantasy genre as imagined by the creators as a part of her universe/setting..... I meant it should not be correlated with real life of LGBT people at all... There are some American LGBT shows that I would agree if you say they relate to real life LGBT but Asians shows simply don't especially the ones from JCK countries.....
You are talking about Japanese yaois, The bls you are talking about USED TO BE THAT WAY long ago with rape fantasies…
I haven't watched most Thai bls or Taiwan bls...but you didn't understand that I specially wrote JCK means I was talking abt bl from these three countries...and they involve top bottom concept which is nothing but a heternormative fantasy of straight women....this is what I said......i never mentioned anything like good bl or bad bl ...why are you reproaching me for something I didn't even said.......I am stating the facts while you are imposing your views on me.....why are u twisting the facts just to worm your way into it!!!! I never defamed any genre....think of a better word next time..... don't just write for the sake of writing... Don't exude crap if you don't have anything else to talk abt......
You are talking about Japanese yaois, The bls you are talking about USED TO BE THAT WAY long ago with rape fantasies…
BL as whole mean one and the same thing ..there different versions to it Korea, china ,Japan .....the one which are adapted from novel all have that top bottom concept....it's not only limited to yaoi(seme uke) but also danmei....Koreans don't specifically have a word for their BL fantasies but the characters do have their heternormative view of feminine/masculine.....all the Korean bls that I have watched do include this trope!!! I am not talking abt Thai or Taiwan bls coz there I haven't seen this trope that prominent.....but I have found this prevalent in Korean, Chinese and Japanese bl.....all the bls that I have ever seen from these three country dramas (JCK) always portray characters top and bottom...I have seen that in bl discussion forum too fans address them as top/bottom.... You don't have to vindicate your hatred by falsifying the facts....!
For those people who think that this drama is a disrespect to homosexual or LGBT community..... First of all BL is an asian piece of fictional genre which has very little to do with real life depiction of gay people..... One common aspect across much of BL are the presumed roles in the male-male relationship. While BL is a space beyond traditional heterosexual relationships, there are still expected dynamics within the depicted relationships that are linked with gender presentation. The prominent binary of relationship roles in BL consists of the seme (known as gong in Chinese, the attacker) and uke (shou, the receiver) Essentially, the seme is the top of the relationship and the uke the bottom. This means that the active seme will be the dominant pursuer of the uke, who receives his affections as a more passive force. While the seme and the uke both look young and beautiful, the uke is usually depicted as an effeminate younger boy, often physically shorter and weaker than his seme. These roles are typically fixed and nonreversible, though fans might offer their own interpretations in derivative work. As such, even though the traditional male and female roles of heteronormative fiction may not be
directly present in BL media, there still exists a fixed active-passive relationship dynamic, often with feminine signaling in the passive role. In addition, despite the homosexual romance that defines the very genre and resonates with queer fans, another feature of BL is a frequent distance from gay identity. As Jin Feng writes, āa danmei hero thus loves a man not because he is gay; he simply disregards heterosexist norms in his pursuit of true loveā (Feng, 6). In this sense, rather than necessarily lifting up the existence of gay people, BL lauds an āabsolute loveā that transcends gender and sexuality. Essentially, the characters involved are not gay, they simply engage in homosexual activities and disregard expectations of identity. Another common trope in BL is a general disregard towards consent in the relationship
between seme and uke. Dubiously consensual or even outright nonconsensual sexual activity is not uncommon in BL, though any criminality is rarely addressed. Rather than stemming from the semeās disruptive sexual or violent desires, sexual assault is often framed as an uncontrollable love for the uke. The seme may restrain the uke with varying degrees of physical violence, and the uke might cry for him to stop. In the aftermath, the assault is narratively rewarded - the uke gradually becomes aware of the semeās deep love and falls in love in return. One of the chief concerns surrounding BL is the majority demographic of straight
women, who are mostly drawn to BL as a media space in which they can carve a space outside of the heteronormative framework - in which they are the objects of the male gaze - to explore their own amorous desires. While BL promotes female sexual agency by disrupting prevailing heterosexual expectation, it is not completely separate from that hegemonic ideology. Though participants in BL may agitate heterosexual convention through explorations of sex and romance beyond directly gendered roles and expectations, BLās existence as a fundamentally queer social presence remains in challenge due to the sweeping amounts of straight women creating and engaging with BL as a way to satiate their own desires for men. BL novelist Kaori Kuramito expresses that for fujoshi, BL is āa place where the gaze of men and society doesn't exist, and where they themselvesāalways the objects of that gazeādon't exist eitherā (Hori, 6). However, such an escape from the male gaze may come at the cost of swapping one marginalized identity for another - amongst the queer community, there are gay men who feel that they have become the sexual objects. Tropes such as the fixed seme-uke roles with clear gender signaling that assigns activity to masculinity and passivity to femininity reinforce that there needs to be a masculine and a feminine figure in every relationship. Moreover, it is a direct transposition of the active male/passive female heterosexist expectation in mainstream media that led many straight women to BL in the first place. Just like one quora user said: Basically, BL portrays ideal heterosexual relationships with heterosexual dynamics (again, masculine and feminine, the saviour and the saved) but it uses tow guys for this. Here enters the objectifying element too.
BL should never be understood as portraying male homosexuality because it doesn't. Actually, BL was never meant to depict realistic homosexual relationships; it was always meant to depict ideal heterosexual relationships in combination with the fetish for male-on-male action that many heterosexual women have.
I can't understand people are who are hating this drama for removing Direct confession and romance or in said words removing gay content ....It's doing no harm to LGBT people BL original target audience is straight women not LGBT people.....okay whatever.... There is a drama which some people mentioned to be also derived from a bl novel but converted to straight romance by introduction of female lead ..it goes by the name 'AT DISTANCE SPRING IS GREEN' but that one received no backlash....where as there it should be even more acc. to me coz they explicitly changed the relationship between the two main characters.... Here in this drama ..no direct gay stuff is there but those who have watched the first 2 eps ....they can clearly tell what's going on in between the two ML ....Evn a non bl watchers can tell that the way their relationship is being depicted is not straight at all....CSK cares abt SYH a lot at present and in further eps ...his care for him will increase even more...that kind of care can't be simply addressed as something what a friend would do....coz they weren't friends to begin with....their relationship itself began with complex homoerotic vibes...... But people should not say it's straight-washed, it's just diluted to certain level to recieve more support more conservative minded Korean netizens..... Just because alot of people are boycotting it ....you shouldn't follow the crowd .....You should watch It for yourself first then judge whether it's homoerotic or not!!! The comment section here is really brainwashed....I just wanna say ..guys please don't relate this to LGBT people or call the watchers of this drama as homophobic coz we all know that BL is just piece of literature which is not targeting LGBT community but straight women...!!! I am watching it just as fictional work...I am not correlating it with the real life of gay people!!! Abt the rapist thing, at best haters could do is personally attack him not this drama ..it has got very less to do with him .......!
š¤£š¤£you all are so happy in your bubbles,who cares if a certain minor somewhere might lost one of it's most…
Exactly ...!!! It's so iniquitous of her...like she doesn't no when to stop....Defending her lies to what extent??? Now when she is clearly exposed ,she is using another ID of hers to trollš¤£
š¤£š¤£you all are so happy in your bubbles,who cares if a certain minor somewhere might lost one of it's most…
Exposing your fabrication you call as racist.....? Then What are you for lying abt such a noble profession as medical....you are disrespecting the medical community saying that your friend is a kid while she herself previously mentioned being a medico ...you too say so that u are a medico..she said that she copied alot of your comments now will you tell me that she copied your profession as well? and don't you think that you yourself are constantly getting trapped in your own labyrinth of lies .... You and her are clearly the same person....! You should feel disgraceful of yourself for covering up your lies so š¤Øoutrageously!!!š
You are also a medico ...that tas-bl is life is also one....she said a few days ago..my life revolve around medical books....you two are peers from the same class yet you say that she is a kid and you are an adult like there is some age difference between you two...you both are clearly lying ....too weird...She said you two met coz of this drama boycott and became friends .....both of you make same mistakes...bad leash and black leash and she said she copy pasted your comments....she said she is a medical student.....you too said the same....and then you also said she is a kid while you are an adult...there seems to be lot similarities between you too except that age difference which makes her kid medico and you adult medico...I wonder how a medico or an undergraduate is even considered a kid in your eyes ???
š¤£š¤£you all are so happy in your bubbles,who cares if a certain minor somewhere might lost one of it's most…
You are telling she is a kid...are you serious she in one of her previous comments said that she is a medical student...probably in her undergraduation...how can an undergraduate be a kid??? š§... In your country is undergraduate considered a kid ?? let's be serious Jida...let's forget abt our arguments based on this drama....but how can you defend her lie so blatantly??
the black leash squad strikes again š¤£š¤£š¤£ it's so funny cause it's obviously just one person behind these…
Even the ending line is same as in reply to my comment....I told jida earlier that you are the same one hater with multiple accounts then She denied saying the same thing thanks for idea, I will tell others also to create multiple accounts.....its exactly same person ....!š¤£ You see below that user tas-bl is life......even twins don't share as many similarities as much as these two users do .....there is another one also cowky what...I forgot her name!!š
had you only read why ppl are madanyway lets repeat again for someone newsk isnt an authoritarian dictatorship…
I have human decency....what you are considering is on a very small scale....you are the one irrational and no human decency coz you are considering only one aspect.....while every coin has two facets....Most watchers like me are considering both facets 1st by skipping over the rapist scenes...2nd by supporting this drama to show support to others related to this project who shouldn't be subjected to hatred .....but I am not at all contributing to that actors revenue or success at all ..... Just how you think you are contributing in downvotes of the guilty ones ...like wise me & other watcher are contributing in the upvotes for the innocent ones ...nor any other watcher is doing so what's embedded in your cynical wishful thinking!
I also don't care abt you hellish opinions...you downright hater and liar!!!
But now if you go in comment section of that drama ADSG....negative comments are nowhere to be found ....it's been years ...no one brought up hatred again there....but this one is constantly getting hatred,.....also webnovel reader of this one also claimed that the original source material doesn't have heavy emphasis on romance like that one....so that's not the point to compare.....
Either way to me it's more disrespectful to alter the plot by introducing female lead and presenting it as male/female dynamic...instead of modifying the gay relationship into bromance/friendship and retaining the male/male dynamic ......
Pursue your degree of specialisation in BLs....
Did you also misunderstand like @theabnormalhuman didš
Bro I have nothing against the genre..I was just trying to prove its a fantasy genre as imagined by the creators as a part of her universe/setting..... I meant it should not be correlated with real life of LGBT people at all...
There are some American LGBT shows that I would agree if you say they relate to real life LGBT but Asians shows simply don't especially the ones from JCK countries.....
I never defamed any genre....think of a better word next time..... don't just write for the sake of writing... Don't exude crap if you don't have anything else to talk abt......
I am not talking abt Thai or Taiwan bls coz there I haven't seen this trope that prominent.....but I have found this prevalent in Korean, Chinese and Japanese bl.....all the bls that I have ever seen from these three country dramas (JCK) always portray characters top and bottom...I have seen that in bl discussion forum too fans address them as top/bottom....
You don't have to vindicate your hatred by falsifying the facts....!
First of all BL is an asian piece of fictional genre which has very little to do with real life depiction of gay people.....
One common aspect across much of BL are the presumed roles in the male-male
relationship. While BL is a space beyond traditional heterosexual relationships, there are still
expected dynamics within the depicted relationships that are linked with gender presentation.
The prominent binary of relationship roles in BL consists of the seme (known as gong in
Chinese, the attacker) and uke (shou, the receiver) Essentially, the seme is the top of
the relationship and the uke the bottom. This means that the active seme will be the dominant
pursuer of the uke, who receives his affections as a more passive force. While the seme and the
uke both look young and beautiful, the uke is usually depicted as an effeminate younger boy,
often physically shorter and weaker than his seme. These roles are typically fixed and
nonreversible, though fans might offer their own interpretations in derivative work.
As such, even though the traditional male and female roles of heteronormative fiction may not be
directly present in BL media, there still exists a fixed active-passive relationship dynamic, often
with feminine signaling in the passive role.
In addition, despite the homosexual romance that defines the very genre and resonates
with queer fans, another feature of BL is a frequent distance from gay identity. As Jin Feng
writes, āa danmei hero thus loves a man not because he is gay; he simply disregards heterosexist
norms in his pursuit of true loveā (Feng, 6). In this sense, rather than necessarily lifting up the
existence of gay people, BL lauds an āabsolute loveā that transcends gender and sexuality.
Essentially, the characters involved are not gay, they simply engage in homosexual activities and
disregard expectations of identity.
Another common trope in BL is a general disregard towards consent in the relationship
between seme and uke. Dubiously consensual or even outright nonconsensual sexual activity is
not uncommon in BL, though any criminality is rarely addressed. Rather than stemming from the
semeās disruptive sexual or violent desires, sexual assault is often framed as an uncontrollable
love for the uke. The seme may restrain the uke with varying degrees of physical violence, and
the uke might cry for him to stop. In the aftermath, the assault is narratively rewarded - the uke
gradually becomes aware of the semeās deep love and falls in love in return.
One of the chief concerns surrounding BL is the majority demographic of straight
women, who are mostly drawn to BL as a media space in which they can carve a space outside of
the heteronormative framework - in which they are the objects of the male gaze - to explore their
own amorous desires. While BL promotes female sexual agency by disrupting prevailing
heterosexual expectation, it is not completely separate from that hegemonic ideology. Though
participants in BL may agitate heterosexual convention through explorations of sex and romance
beyond directly gendered roles and expectations, BLās existence as a fundamentally queer social
presence remains in challenge due to the sweeping amounts of straight women creating and
engaging with BL as a way to satiate their own desires for men. BL novelist Kaori Kuramito
expresses that for fujoshi, BL is āa place where the gaze of men and society doesn't exist, and
where they themselvesāalways the objects of that gazeādon't exist eitherā (Hori, 6).
However, such an escape from the male gaze may come at the cost of swapping one
marginalized identity for another - amongst the queer community, there are gay men who feel
that they have become the sexual objects. Tropes such as the fixed seme-uke roles with clear
gender signaling that assigns activity to masculinity and passivity to femininity reinforce that
there needs to be a masculine and a feminine figure in every relationship. Moreover, it is a direct
transposition of the active male/passive female heterosexist expectation in mainstream media
that led many straight women to BL in the first place.
Just like one quora user said: Basically, BL portrays ideal heterosexual relationships with heterosexual dynamics (again, masculine and feminine, the saviour and the saved) but it uses tow guys for this. Here enters the objectifying element too.
BL should never be understood as portraying male homosexuality because it doesn't. Actually, BL was never meant to depict realistic homosexual relationships; it was always meant to depict ideal heterosexual relationships in combination with the fetish for male-on-male action that many heterosexual women have.
I can't understand people are who are hating this drama for removing Direct confession and romance or in said words removing gay content ....It's doing no harm to LGBT people BL original target audience is straight women not LGBT people.....okay whatever....
There is a drama which some people mentioned to be also derived from a bl novel but converted to straight romance by introduction of female lead ..it goes by the name 'AT DISTANCE SPRING IS GREEN' but that one received no backlash....where as there it should be even more acc. to me coz they explicitly changed the relationship between the two main characters....
Here in this drama ..no direct gay stuff is there but those who have watched the first 2 eps ....they can clearly tell what's going on in between the two ML ....Evn a non bl watchers can tell that the way their relationship is being depicted is not straight at all....CSK cares abt SYH a lot at present and in further eps ...his care for him will increase even more...that kind of care can't be simply addressed as something what a friend would do....coz they weren't friends to begin with....their relationship itself began with complex homoerotic vibes......
But people should not say it's straight-washed, it's just diluted to certain level to recieve more support more conservative minded Korean netizens.....
Just because alot of people are boycotting it ....you shouldn't follow the crowd .....You should watch It for yourself first then judge whether it's homoerotic or not!!!
The comment section here is really brainwashed....I just wanna say ..guys please don't relate this to LGBT people or call the watchers of this drama as homophobic coz we all know that BL is just piece of literature which is not targeting LGBT community but straight women...!!! I am watching it just as fictional work...I am not correlating it with the real life of gay people!!!
Abt the rapist thing, at best haters could do is personally attack him not this drama ..it has got very less to do with him .......!
Now when she is clearly exposed ,she is using another ID of hers to trollš¤£
Then What are you for lying abt such a noble profession as medical....you are disrespecting the medical community saying that your friend is a kid while she herself previously mentioned being a medico ...you too say so that u are a medico..she said that she copied alot of your comments now will you tell me that she copied your profession as well? and don't you think that you yourself are constantly getting trapped in your own labyrinth of lies .... You and her are clearly the same person....!
You should feel disgraceful of yourself for covering up your lies so š¤Øoutrageously!!!š
In your country is undergraduate considered a kid ?? let's be serious Jida...let's forget abt our arguments based on this drama....but how can you defend her lie so blatantly??