Totally agree with Amilyn13's review above. The story is so twisted in a diabolical wicked way and, while I found the cruelty disturbing, I have to say it was really cleverly written ... cleverly convoluted, almost zero degrees of separation between the Peach Manor inhabitants ... the actors surpassed themselves in acting out their character's evil, twisted psycho craziness ππ.
The pace was excellent ... nice surprising script plot twists/reveals and the musical score was brilliant. Overall it was very well done indeed. πππ
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Thank you for your opinion and news article reference, which I read. I disagree on both counts. Firstly, I have not 'spoiled' anything as the movie description says, "On his 18th birthday, Jan Wen shoots randomly at the crowds in a night market for unknown reasons. " Secondly, people who have experienced or have had their loved one experienced a mass shooting or sui-cide ... this is important data for them to make an informed decision to proceed. As for the article I really don't give a toss ... in my lived experience, there are people who have appreciated this information ... it is to them I direct the information.
Some good points there ... for me it is the slow creep of 'westernisation' / "Hollywoodisation" into the scripts that has put me off. I really love the unique cultural mindsets/psychology/symbolism, imagery and world building behind Asian story telling ... even the musical scores can be wonderfully different like the kabuki interjects etc ... all of which is such a wonderful contrast to western story telling and why I got into it in the first place.
ABSOLUTELY π10/10 π BRILLIANT ... the script, the acting, the music, the CGI, the production ... EVERYTHING. It is quirky, funny as hell, profound, heartbreaking and heartwarming all wrapped up in one of the best mixed genres I have ever seen ... do yourself a favour and watch it because it's absolutely EPIC.
What has birth rate got to do with "demoralization"? I just said Lynn's comment about the so-called demoralization of Japan was not exclusive to Japan ... it occurs all over the planet wherever there is a human society. In any human society or group, there will always be some kind of 'demoralization' according to one standard or other ... it has got nothing to do with birthrates. Japan is no more demoralized than the Unites States or the UK or even the Vatican. It is important to put things into perspective.
More to the point, morality is very subjective. The nature of it varies in time and space ... geographically and historically ... it is and never has been objective. The morals of the UK in the 1950's may be more or less (depending on the situation) than those in the 1500s.
10/10 Profound ... masterfully crafted story about 'end of life' and 'life' and the 'weight of living' from the…
ο»ΏThis movie has a lot to say and to think about without being sanctimonious or 'touchy feely' or political ... things like the right to die (euthanasia), the role of the medical profession, the legacy that a person leaves after they pass on, the reasons for living, the reasons for sui cide and the beauty of simple things like the caress of the breeze on your skin ... how the sky makes for the most beautiful 'ceiling' ... the taste of bbq'd sausages ... the colours of a sunrise ... ο»Ώ ο»ΏEven though the movie took on some big and complex issues ... it was kind of poetic as well, so by the time I got to the end of the movie ... I just felt a kind of calmness ... life, and this world is kind of amazing ...
A story of life, masterfully and thoughtfully told.
10/10 Profound ... masterfully crafted story about 'end of life' and 'life' and the 'weight of living' from the viewpoint of two characters ... one who is alive and well but is dying 'on the inside' and the other who only has a few months lefts to live and is in excruciating pain for a lot of the time.
This was painful and frustrating to watch ... I didn't like it at all, but I have to admit that it was one hell…
Yes, definitely the Milgram Experiment. No 2 reminded me of the fellow in the Stanford Prison experiment who kept getting solitary because he wouldn't play the game.
Humans get very scary when they collectively are forced to experience extreme conditions. It is interesting (in an uncomfortable way) how the eight personality types emerge / play out in those situations.
WOW ... that was a brutal expose of human behaviour ...
This was painful and frustrating to watch ... I didn't like it at all, but I have to admit that it was one hell of a loaded series. It reminded me a lot of some stuff I have read around the Stanford Prison experiment and other experiements that were documented in Philip Zimbardo's book "The Lucifer Effect - why good people go bad". It was hard going watching this series ... I stopped several times but finished off the final 5 episodes today. I am shattered.
No. 3 says in the last episode that no one would believe what happened during the time of the game ... but that is total BS ... it was a brutal expose of humanity ... their greed, their stupidity, their ego, their delusions, their schemes, their vices, the 'kindness' that 'kills' ... it was all on display, up front and centre. Their lack of self-awareness was highly frustrating ... they didn't learn anything except to further degenerate. The sad thing is these types of people, these types of behaviours are not fictional, I have met real people from No1 to No 8 ... everything they did, everything they were, I have seen it in real life ... and see it in real life ... and that is why I hated the series ... because it nailed humanity and yet gave no solutions ... "move forward in hope" what a load of crock ... why π€ ... because βΎοΈ
The thing that made me laugh in bitter irony was the number 8 turning into βΎοΈ (infinity) ... how profound ... Buddha said "all life is suffering" ... and isn't it just ... endless suffering over and over ... lives come and lives go ... but the suffering and the 'game play' has stayed the same ... no matter where you are, or what time you live in ... it is the same old game over and over again.
God that was kind of depressing but in a very thought provoking way ...
This was depressing ... but depressing in an interesting and thought provoking way
It starts off with the ML as an old man in a totally depressing dystopian future ... it reminds me of George Orwell's 1984 world where Big Brother is telling them how to live their lives and spies on their every movement ... one where suicide is considered as degenerate behaviour, that there is a solution to all problems and all anybody needed to do was to talk to their family or strangers ... strangers in white jumpsuits who go around asking people if they want to talk about their feelings.
I wondered what kind of motive existed behind such a miserable world where exiting by your own volition was such a grave crime ... was it some kind of "Matrix" situation where it feed of the energy of people and the more people there were the better ... but no this was not the case.
The old man was the most interesting character to me ... his final "FU" to the system was to take out everyone who shit on him in his life ... his adulterous wife, her latest lover, a minister of government who he has had a past association with and whom he hates. He says goodbye to his daughter, who I think knew this was his final goodbye, and then when the drones come to get him after his killing spree, he shoots out the window and does a flying dive onto the drone and both go smashing down onto the concrete below.
As he lay smashed and dying on the ground, we get to go on a journey with him as his life flashes by ... back to his young days as a police officer where we get to see the why and how he got so jaded with his wife and the 'minister' ... the minister was a police colleague, one who he caught f*king his wife and who later set him up for corruption. We see why the European prostitute he visited as an old man reminded him of someone else. Then we are taken back to his youth where he has a scrape with the law, his mother who abandoned him turns out to be at the police station at the same time ... they have a heart to heart before hi witnesses her being shot in the head.
Then we finally see him as a toddler on a swing ... as I watched that little boy playing on the swing with, I assume, his mother, I couldn't help but wonder if that little innocent boy knew how his life would turn out, would he have opted out of his life earlier π€ or ... if like the "Big Brother" of the future said ... look harder to find the solutions to what would be his life's problems ... idk ... it is an interesting thought though
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Yes indeed. Another example is Baz Luhrmann's absolutely brilliant movie version of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet ... well and truly thrown into the modern age with guns and some racial diversity in the casting that of course would not have happened in the English 1500's. It is my all time favourite version of Romeo and Juliette and Harold Perrineau played the best version of Mercutio I ever did see ... he set the scene for other Shakespearian plays to be 'brought forward' by people like Kenneth Brannagh ... His "Much Ado about Nothing" cast Americans in it including Denzil Washington ... all good stuff in my books :-)
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In the "golden years" of Hollywood (like pre WWII and early post WWII), they used to cast Caucasian actors in Asian character roles and altered their eye shape and skin colour ... they even did it with US First Nation character roles ... now days though, it is more like you said, they just replace the Asian character completely and stick whoever they want in there.
At the end of the day these dramas and movies are 'entertainments' ... in the entertainment world there are so many glorified serial killers, murderers, con artists, assaults, demented dictators, abusive parents, corrupt politicians, police brutality, corruption, graphic depictions of human dismemberment and other twisted human behaviours and cruelties to the extent (with respect) using makeup and hair to minimize detection in an under cover situation, pales into comparison ... if these type of story lines are taken out of the entertainment arena then it stands to reason people are going to get offended by everything.
Movies and dramas have long been used to promote national, cultural, religious and even big business viewpoints. It is a practice that is used all over the globe. People can enjoy the story for what it is and if they want to believe in the propaganda behind it they can ... or not.
Your comments were on point and imo, help to establish a reasonable context and sense of proportion.
This was an amazing series ... 10/10 for me. It had nothing lacking and I was totally engaged from beginning to…
Guan Xue was vindictive to the very end ... she was so full of anti-life ... everything around her was destroyed except for herself ...
I am not sure how they got out of that catch 22 situation in the car from the previous episode ... I would like to know ... but in the end ... the end was bitter sweet ... so many evil people survived ... Ishii, Guan Xue ... how Guan Xue didn't have the same fate as Hu Bin, idk.
Guan Kai ... I am not surprised but I am saddened and Zhuo Wu ... I am heartbroken ... he made it to the freedom day and Guan Xue took it away ...
Zhuo Wen ... honestly I don't know how these people were able to be so resilient in such horrific and traumatic times ... maybe belief in something ... even if it is a belief in a future ... has something to do with it ... idk but I take my hat off in respect.
This was an amazing series ... 10/10 for me. It had nothing lacking and I was totally engaged from beginning to end ... so thought provoking ... the production was first class as was the acting and the score was brilliant, it was the icing on a five star cake. If anyone knows the name of the songs and artists who sang them please let me know.
The story is so twisted in a diabolical wicked way and, while I found the cruelty disturbing, I have to say it was really cleverly written ... cleverly convoluted, almost zero degrees of separation between the Peach Manor inhabitants ... the actors surpassed themselves in acting out their character's evil, twisted psycho craziness ππ.
The pace was excellent ... nice surprising script plot twists/reveals and the musical score was brilliant. Overall it was very well done indeed. πππ
Firstly, I have not 'spoiled' anything as the movie description says, "On his 18th birthday, Jan Wen shoots randomly at the crowds in a night market for unknown reasons. "
Secondly, people who have experienced or have had their loved one experienced a mass shooting or sui-cide ... this is important data for them to make an informed decision to proceed. As for the article I really don't give a toss ... in my lived experience, there are people who have appreciated this information ... it is to them I direct the information.
I just said Lynn's comment about the so-called demoralization of Japan was not exclusive to Japan ... it occurs all over the planet wherever there is a human society. In any human society or group, there will always be some kind of 'demoralization' according to one standard or other ... it has got nothing to do with birthrates. Japan is no more demoralized than the Unites States or the UK or even the Vatican. It is important to put things into perspective.
More to the point, morality is very subjective. The nature of it varies in time and space ... geographically and historically ... it is and never has been objective. The morals of the UK in the 1950's may be more or less (depending on the situation) than those in the 1500s.
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ο»ΏEven though the movie took on some big and complex issues ... it was kind of poetic as well, so by the time I got to the end of the movie ... I just felt a kind of calmness ... life, and this world is kind of amazing ...
A story of life, masterfully and thoughtfully told.
No 2 reminded me of the fellow in the Stanford Prison experiment who kept getting solitary because he wouldn't play the game.
Humans get very scary when they collectively are forced to experience extreme conditions. It is interesting (in an uncomfortable way) how the eight personality types emerge / play out in those situations.
No. 3 says in the last episode that no one would believe what happened during the time of the game ... but that is total BS ... it was a brutal expose of humanity ... their greed, their stupidity, their ego, their delusions, their schemes, their vices, the 'kindness' that 'kills' ... it was all on display, up front and centre. Their lack of self-awareness was highly frustrating ... they didn't learn anything except to further degenerate. The sad thing is these types of people, these types of behaviours are not fictional, I have met real people from No1 to No 8 ... everything they did, everything they were, I have seen it in real life ... and see it in real life ... and that is why I hated the series ... because it nailed humanity and yet gave no solutions ... "move forward in hope" what a load of crock ... why π€ ... because βΎοΈ
The thing that made me laugh in bitter irony was the number 8 turning into βΎοΈ (infinity) ... how profound ... Buddha said "all life is suffering" ... and isn't it just ... endless suffering over and over ... lives come and lives go ... but the suffering and the 'game play' has stayed the same ... no matter where you are, or what time you live in ... it is the same old game over and over again.
Oh well ... brutal, depressing and profound ...
It starts off with the ML as an old man in a totally depressing dystopian future ... it reminds me of George Orwell's 1984 world where Big Brother is telling them how to live their lives and spies on their every movement ... one where suicide is considered as degenerate behaviour, that there is a solution to all problems and all anybody needed to do was to talk to their family or strangers ... strangers in white jumpsuits who go around asking people if they want to talk about their feelings.
I wondered what kind of motive existed behind such a miserable world where exiting by your own volition was such a grave crime ... was it some kind of "Matrix" situation where it feed of the energy of people and the more people there were the better ... but no this was not the case.
The old man was the most interesting character to me ... his final "FU" to the system was to take out everyone who shit on him in his life ... his adulterous wife, her latest lover, a minister of government who he has had a past association with and whom he hates. He says goodbye to his daughter, who I think knew this was his final goodbye, and then when the drones come to get him after his killing spree, he shoots out the window and does a flying dive onto the drone and both go smashing down onto the concrete below.
As he lay smashed and dying on the ground, we get to go on a journey with him as his life flashes by ... back to his young days as a police officer where we get to see the why and how he got so jaded with his wife and the 'minister' ... the minister was a police colleague, one who he caught f*king his wife and who later set him up for corruption. We see why the European prostitute he visited as an old man reminded him of someone else. Then we are taken back to his youth where he has a scrape with the law, his mother who abandoned him turns out to be at the police station at the same time ... they have a heart to heart before hi witnesses her being shot in the head.
Then we finally see him as a toddler on a swing ... as I watched that little boy playing on the swing with, I assume, his mother, I couldn't help but wonder if that little innocent boy knew how his life would turn out, would he have opted out of his life earlier π€ or ... if like the "Big Brother" of the future said ... look harder to find the solutions to what would be his life's problems ... idk ... it is an interesting thought though
At the end of the day these dramas and movies are 'entertainments' ... in the entertainment world there are so many glorified serial killers, murderers, con artists, assaults, demented dictators, abusive parents, corrupt politicians, police brutality, corruption, graphic depictions of human dismemberment and other twisted human behaviours and cruelties to the extent (with respect) using makeup and hair to minimize detection in an under cover situation, pales into comparison ... if these type of story lines are taken out of the entertainment arena then it stands to reason people are going to get offended by everything.
Movies and dramas have long been used to promote national, cultural, religious and even big business viewpoints. It is a practice that is used all over the globe. People can enjoy the story for what it is and if they want to believe in the propaganda behind it they can ... or not.
Your comments were on point and imo, help to establish a reasonable context and sense of proportion.
I am not sure how they got out of that catch 22 situation in the car from the previous episode ... I would like to know ... but in the end ... the end was bitter sweet ... so many evil people survived ... Ishii, Guan Xue ... how Guan Xue didn't have the same fate as Hu Bin, idk.
Guan Kai ... I am not surprised but I am saddened and Zhuo Wu ... I am heartbroken ... he made it to the freedom day and Guan Xue took it away ...
Zhuo Wen ... honestly I don't know how these people were able to be so resilient in such horrific and traumatic times ... maybe belief in something ... even if it is a belief in a future ... has something to do with it ... idk but I take my hat off in respect.