Hate the AI in the beginning. It looked so obvious and jarring. I had to pause and decide if I was really willing to go on. (I was. For now.)
I wonder how much nours resemble "typical" vampires - jk, there's no such thing as "typical" vampires. But I wonder what bits and bobs of lore they might use here and what will be original, thought and written specifically for the show. I love reinterpretation as much as I love novelty, so I'm here for both.
The actor who plays James looks amazing. Such a different, cool face, and he suits the character well from what I've seen. I thought he'd be colder and/or cooler from his first appearance, but he's actually more outgoing and tease-y than I expected.
Ken is so archaic when it comes to dealing with tech and I adore him for it. Typing on his laptop using two fingers, barely able to deal with his old-school cell phone... It's a trope I enjoy when it comes to vampires and other unaging so-called immortals, and I wonder if they'll make him learn more or keep him anachronistic all the way through. I'm also into how his aloofness might possibly have been caused by his repeated attempts to die and his lack of connection with humankind. It's the sort of thing that ressonates with me for some reason! I blame watching Interview with the Vampire when I was 9, or starting The Vampire Chronicles when I was 10, or perhaps beginning my journey reading Vampire - The Masquerade corebooks and side-books when I was 11... Yes, I'm autistic. How did you know? :P
I've only watched the first episode (no time today!) but I already love Chita. Please don't be secretly evil, Chita. And take good care of him, Doctor Ji~
I dropped it after only 2 minutes because of the use of AI, I was excited to start this series, and now I am very…
That first AI scene annoyed me too, but at least I was prepared since there was a warning right at the beginning. I hope it's only used sparingly and in less obvious ways than that first scene, or I'll have a hard time not dropping. -_-
I agree that Leng is the best thing in that show and the main reason I'm still watching, but I don't have any issues with august - just with the pacing, the absurd amount of distinct plotlines and the random cooking-related scenes.
(I haven't had the guts to watch the most recent two episodes of Knot, though.)
Not to come off as a rude person,but I think it was quite obvious. First of all,The 200 years old immortal has…
In my limited experience, no one is more hesitant to change than the elderly. People get stuck in their own ways and dream of 'how things were', so adopting new technology is frequently met with derision and mockery.
It's common in vampire and other immortal/unaging characters in other media, too, from Highlander to The Vampire Lestat (in the books, he gives in and accepts an iphone, but he constantly calls it a glass slab that annoys him and avoids using it lol) to What we Do in the Shadows, and usually contrasted with a younger vampire or immortal who is tech-savyy or an equally old one who tries to be 'hip' and is played for laughs.
Ok, I'm officially intrigued!Anyone who knows how savagely critical I am about my 2 favorite subjects within the…
I've never seen a vampire BL I didn't hate, and that's one of my favorite themes, too. I've just started the first episode, hope I react like you did (despite the weird AI)
But Lil' Jane, it only comes out once a week :O Or do you rewatch it a lot?
Ooh, lemme know if you notice anything different? PS: I'm always on your side, Jennalee, but you were kind of unfair to P' Jane last time. He should've told you earlier about your brother, but he didn't do anything wrong and he understands the issue with favors now. Please forgive him soon. u_u
I don't like cock fighting (or animal fighting in general.) Skipped those scenes.
I'm annoyed that the scene between Pin and Yam was treated as a joke. I actually like them together and thought they deserved more.
That kiss was cute, but underwhelming - the swimming part led me to believe it would be sweeter, and the previous interruptions tricked me into thinking it would last longer. I'd actually rather some sniff-kisses at this point, as long as the whole scene was as tender as the characters deserve.
What do you mean Great woke up in the present? Or is it Gaew in Great's body?? :O Either way, will we ever find out why Great went back in the first place and if he can come back to the future, if you get my drift? It seems like, despite his musings about his grandma, he's given up his old life and wants to stay there with Dech... Maybe it is Gaew in the present and they'll both just stay in the wrong period :OOOO
amazing!!cant blv i read all that-and i exactly get what u mean by kaye's father being the killer doesnt match…
Agreed on not being Kaye. It'll annoy me to hell and back if it's him. (and I don't believe those spoilers anyway. People who claim to know never have sourcers, links, anything.)
Is Prim still in a coma? I wish her and Praew had screentime in episode 8 :/
TLDR: I still think Thun is the mastermind and that the uncle is corrupt and was behind everything Phat's father was blamed for - and I still believe he's intended as the last victim.
Long version, brace yourself~
On the uncle:
I'm 90% sure the uncle was one of the real culprits behind the investment bank case, and I think he framed Phat's father and had him take the fall for all that; perhaps Phat's father was his accomplice or just a scapegoat, it's hard to say with so little evidence. Either way, I think he's meant to be the last victim... Now, it's not impossible, IMO, that the uncle is both behind the incident AND the mastermind behind the Nekros case, but I feel like it would make more sense if they were opposed forces, creature and creation, cause and consequence.
If Phat's uncle is both the culprit behind the incident from years ago and the killer trying to cover his tracks, why did he wait so long? Why did he use Kaye's comics as some sort of inspiration while creating a scapegoat? He must have had dozens of other options to tie loose ends since the original bank investment incident went down over a decade ago. Or did he suddenly and coincidentally find out some kid involved with one of the families who lost everything wrote a super-violent vigilante manga and decide to frame him? It seems too contrived for my taste, honestly, though it's not impossible.
So yeah, I'm going with the uncle being to blame in the past, and an intended victim in the near future. I do also believe he was the one who got Kitti to frame Kaye and end the case ASAP so no attention would be brought to the connection between the current killings and the investment case he was (at least in part) responsible for, and that the uncle either killed Nop or had one of his underlings do it.
On the "Nekros" killer's motive and inspiration:
The show has implied that the serial killer named Nekros by the media is a vigilante created by two different (but almost equally important) incidents.
1) The Thai bank investment case from over a decade ago. Hundreds of people were ruined, and others (including Phat's father) went down as culprits who caused this titanic and tragic loss of money. This has been made more or less clear by conversations between Phat and Kaye, Kaye's flashbacks, and what Thun implied to Kaye and Phat outside the police station, plus something Thun said to Kaye when he was posing as Asura at the bar. 2) The person who suffered from the fallout of the investment case read the manga Nekros. This is obviously non-skippable, as the real-life (in the show, duh!) killings are modeled after chapters of the comics. Whether it inspired the murders or is just being used as a way to frame the author, the fact remains that the similarities can't have been coincidental.
On the "Nekros" killer's identity:
If we assume that the two previous assumptions on "Nekros" are correct, there is an obvious list of suspects: those who lost money/family members/etc after the bank incident. To shorten the list, though, we might take Knox's Ten Commandments of Detective Fiction into account. These commandments are "rules" (written 98 years ago) on how to write a fair mystery story, aka a story that the reader (or spectator, or whatever the case may be) can solve while reading or watching, because they have the same clues as the in-world detective. The one I think is relevant here is this one:
"The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know."
Now, do we know that Mr. Kill follows this command, or any others, from Knox's list? We don't. It's possible they never even heard of them. Most detective stories, cop shows, murder mysteries, and the like follow over half of them instinctively, though - especially when writers don't want the public to complain that there weren't enough clues or that the plot was too filled with contrivances and tricks. :X But still, it's possible this one doesn't.
What happens if we pretend it does, though?
a) It would mean no one who made their first appearance after the first two, maybe three episodes should be the culprit. Characters introduced after that might not have gotten enough screentime to seem suspicious, and even if they did show up a lot since, watchers at home will probably still see them as late-comers and not original suspects.
b) It would mean the main characters whose POVs we were allowed to follow aren't guilty, either. (They aren't narrators, so the well-liked trope of unreliable narrators' wouldn't fit even if one of them was the mastermind, btw) It means that what we saw of Phat and Kaye must have been real to the characters, and makes it impossible for either or both of them to be behind "Nekros" UNLESS they don't know it themselves (aka, the DID theory is still a possibility. A faint one, in my opinion, since it's we've actually seen the cops frame Kaye in what seemed to be the only real dissociative episode he had; the other cases might just be blanks any antidepressants, anxiety meds and even sleeping meds can induce, especially if the user is under stress. Still, it's possible - perhaps Phat is the one with DID, though? I'd hate that. lol)
So, taking the commandment into account doesn't actually cause much trouble when it comes to Mr. Kill, but it does leave us with fewer suspects: the ones that were there basically from the start while ALSO having had to deal with the fallout of the investment incident AND read the Nekros manga before this all started. Unfortunately, we don't have much confirmation about that last one, but there are a few obvious main suspects that fit the first two.
1) Kaye. His family was ruined by the investment case, his mother died, his father is sick, he lost pretty much everything. A + point would be that he wrote the actual comics, which is the most obvious hint towards him ever (vide the cops from the show). As a - point, we've seen his POV a lot and there isn't much suspicious there other than some memory loss that can be related to stress, trauma or anxiety, unless we infer that he has DID or another equally complicated disorder.
2) Kaye's father. A - point would be that he's apparently in a coma, and that being fake is quite cheesy and silly. It's not impossible, but it doesn't seem to suit the tone of the show IMO.
3) Another one of Kaye's relatives, like his mom that somehow might still be alive or whatever, would not fit the 'fair game' approach to solving this mystery. I'll ignore it when trying to solve the show.
4) Phat. His father went down as the main guilty party. He might be trying to expose the truth if his dad was framed, or trying to get revenge on people who also deserved a share of the guilt and got away scot free, and thinking of Kaye as his unwitting inspiration and accomplice. A - point is that, like with Kaye, we've seen his POV a lot, and it's even less suspicious than Kaye's. If he was actually involved, there should be at least one good hint, no matter how tiny, that most of the public would be able to catch. It's not impossible that hint is there, but I haven't found it and haven't seen anyone else in this board discuss that, either.
5) Praew. She has the same reasons Phat would have. We haven't seen her POV that often, which would leave more space to suspect her. A - point might be that she's seemingly reckless, while the "Nekros" mastermind seems very careful and into planning. Another - point is that she's tiny and skinny, but this is only really a - if she ever committed/commits a certain type of murder without Kim as an accomplice. As long as he was around, all the brutal actions that required blunt force could have been done by him. Was the death of that person-trafficker after Kim died particularly forceful? It might not have been. So, again, not impossible, just not extremely likely. (But still more in tone with the show than Kaye's father.) I'd still rather see her as someone manipulated into helping by the mastermind, especially after almost dying last time.
6) Thun. He implied some past involvement with the bank case, and since he's around the same age as our main duo, a close relative might have lost money like Kaye's father or even gone to jail as responsible for some part of the scheme, like Phat's father. It's currently unclear. Is it completely irrelevant and a red herring? Will it be explained now in the last two episodes of the show? Anything that takes significant time this close to the end must be important. A + point for Thun as the mastermind is the whole creepy situation in which he lured Kaye to the bar with the promise of the lost Nekros chapters and confessed to being a fan. Another + is how he openly antagonizes Phat - like someone who blames the son for the crimes of the father, perhaps? And of course, a last + might be how he's been using Praew... In fact, as a reporter, it is quite easy for him to learn things he wasn't supposed to know, but he would also have the social talents necessary to manipulate both Kim and, most likely Praew, who clearly has a vgilante-positive view of things. The only - I can think of is that he's quite obvious to those watching at this point --- but still, since the characters in the show don't suspect him, it doesn't mean much.
7) Any other rando involved with the Thai bank investment case is out since they were not introduced in the beginning of the series; any early character that might have been involved without the public's knowledge are still FAINTLY possible, but, again, would not constitute 'fair game' so I'd rather not waste my time on trying to solve the unsolvable.
Out of these 7 (???) possibilities, 8 if you decided to count Phat's uncle despite part 1 of what I wrote, Thun is by far the most suspicious one by + symbols alone; or, as a famous poet might put it, "the sussiest baka."
I'm still on team Thun. He hasn't appeared as much lately and no one in-world seems to think he's involved, so…
The least annoying ending is Thun IMO. :X
I think Kaye's dad faking a coma is too ridiculous for the tone of the show; and the uncle is a good possibility, but I have convinced myself that he's THE WHOLE REASON "Nekros" even exists as a serial killer in their world, because I think he was the one who was actually responsible for the bank incident and that he let Phat's father take the fall... But that's a long story D:
Anyway, Kaye having DID and being the killer would piss me off the very most out of all of them. Just having DID and having been manipulated is fine, but both makes annoys me sooooo much for real people with DID who constantly get pathologized as criminals in real life, and I just _hope_ GMMTV wouldn't do that in 2026.
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I wonder how much nours resemble "typical" vampires - jk, there's no such thing as "typical" vampires. But I wonder what bits and bobs of lore they might use here and what will be original, thought and written specifically for the show. I love reinterpretation as much as I love novelty, so I'm here for both.
The actor who plays James looks amazing. Such a different, cool face, and he suits the character well from what I've seen. I thought he'd be colder and/or cooler from his first appearance, but he's actually more outgoing and tease-y than I expected.
Ken is so archaic when it comes to dealing with tech and I adore him for it. Typing on his laptop using two fingers, barely able to deal with his old-school cell phone... It's a trope I enjoy when it comes to vampires and other unaging so-called immortals, and I wonder if they'll make him learn more or keep him anachronistic all the way through. I'm also into how his aloofness might possibly have been caused by his repeated attempts to die and his lack of connection with humankind. It's the sort of thing that ressonates with me for some reason! I blame watching Interview with the Vampire when I was 9, or starting The Vampire Chronicles when I was 10, or perhaps beginning my journey reading Vampire - The Masquerade corebooks and side-books when I was 11... Yes, I'm autistic. How did you know? :P
I've only watched the first episode (no time today!) but I already love Chita. Please don't be secretly evil, Chita. And take good care of him, Doctor Ji~
(I haven't had the guts to watch the most recent two episodes of Knot, though.)
It's common in vampire and other immortal/unaging characters in other media, too, from Highlander to The Vampire Lestat (in the books, he gives in and accepts an iphone, but he constantly calls it a glass slab that annoys him and avoids using it lol) to What we Do in the Shadows, and usually contrasted with a younger vampire or immortal who is tech-savyy or an equally old one who tries to be 'hip' and is played for laughs.
PS: I'm always on your side, Jennalee, but you were kind of unfair to P' Jane last time. He should've told you earlier about your brother, but he didn't do anything wrong and he understands the issue with favors now. Please forgive him soon. u_u
I'm annoyed that the scene between Pin and Yam was treated as a joke. I actually like them together and thought they deserved more.
That kiss was cute, but underwhelming - the swimming part led me to believe it would be sweeter, and the previous interruptions tricked me into thinking it would last longer. I'd actually rather some sniff-kisses at this point, as long as the whole scene was as tender as the characters deserve.
What do you mean Great woke up in the present? Or is it Gaew in Great's body?? :O Either way, will we ever find out why Great went back in the first place and if he can come back to the future, if you get my drift? It seems like, despite his musings about his grandma, he's given up his old life and wants to stay there with Dech... Maybe it is Gaew in the present and they'll both just stay in the wrong period :OOOO
I still wonder if it's him. @_@ Oh well. Can't wait for next week.
Is Prim still in a coma? I wish her and Praew had screentime in episode 8 :/
And yeah, Praew and Prim are written as completely reckless. :/
TLDR: I still think Thun is the mastermind and that the uncle is corrupt and was behind everything Phat's father was blamed for - and I still believe he's intended as the last victim.
Long version, brace yourself~
On the uncle:
I'm 90% sure the uncle was one of the real culprits behind the investment bank case, and I think he framed Phat's father and had him take the fall for all that; perhaps Phat's father was his accomplice or just a scapegoat, it's hard to say with so little evidence. Either way, I think he's meant to be the last victim... Now, it's not impossible, IMO, that the uncle is both behind the incident AND the mastermind behind the Nekros case, but I feel like it would make more sense if they were opposed forces, creature and creation, cause and consequence.
If Phat's uncle is both the culprit behind the incident from years ago and the killer trying to cover his tracks, why did he wait so long? Why did he use Kaye's comics as some sort of inspiration while creating a scapegoat? He must have had dozens of other options to tie loose ends since the original bank investment incident went down over a decade ago. Or did he suddenly and coincidentally find out some kid involved with one of the families who lost everything wrote a super-violent vigilante manga and decide to frame him? It seems too contrived for my taste, honestly, though it's not impossible.
So yeah, I'm going with the uncle being to blame in the past, and an intended victim in the near future. I do also believe he was the one who got Kitti to frame Kaye and end the case ASAP so no attention would be brought to the connection between the current killings and the investment case he was (at least in part) responsible for, and that the uncle either killed Nop or had one of his underlings do it.
On the "Nekros" killer's motive and inspiration:
The show has implied that the serial killer named Nekros by the media is a vigilante created by two different (but almost equally important) incidents.
1) The Thai bank investment case from over a decade ago. Hundreds of people were ruined, and others (including Phat's father) went down as culprits who caused this titanic and tragic loss of money. This has been made more or less clear by conversations between Phat and Kaye, Kaye's flashbacks, and what Thun implied to Kaye and Phat outside the police station, plus something Thun said to Kaye when he was posing as Asura at the bar.
2) The person who suffered from the fallout of the investment case read the manga Nekros. This is obviously non-skippable, as the real-life (in the show, duh!) killings are modeled after chapters of the comics. Whether it inspired the murders or is just being used as a way to frame the author, the fact remains that the similarities can't have been coincidental.
On the "Nekros" killer's identity:
If we assume that the two previous assumptions on "Nekros" are correct, there is an obvious list of suspects: those who lost money/family members/etc after the bank incident. To shorten the list, though, we might take Knox's Ten Commandments of Detective Fiction into account. These commandments are "rules" (written 98 years ago) on how to write a fair mystery story, aka a story that the reader (or spectator, or whatever the case may be) can solve while reading or watching, because they have the same clues as the in-world detective. The one I think is relevant here is this one:
"The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know."
Now, do we know that Mr. Kill follows this command, or any others, from Knox's list? We don't. It's possible they never even heard of them. Most detective stories, cop shows, murder mysteries, and the like follow over half of them instinctively, though - especially when writers don't want the public to complain that there weren't enough clues or that the plot was too filled with contrivances and tricks. :X But still, it's possible this one doesn't.
What happens if we pretend it does, though?
a) It would mean no one who made their first appearance after the first two, maybe three episodes should be the culprit. Characters introduced after that might not have gotten enough screentime to seem suspicious, and even if they did show up a lot since, watchers at home will probably still see them as late-comers and not original suspects.
b) It would mean the main characters whose POVs we were allowed to follow aren't guilty, either. (They aren't narrators, so the well-liked trope of unreliable narrators' wouldn't fit even if one of them was the mastermind, btw) It means that what we saw of Phat and Kaye must have been real to the characters, and makes it impossible for either or both of them to be behind "Nekros" UNLESS they don't know it themselves (aka, the DID theory is still a possibility. A faint one, in my opinion, since it's we've actually seen the cops frame Kaye in what seemed to be the only real dissociative episode he had; the other cases might just be blanks any antidepressants, anxiety meds and even sleeping meds can induce, especially if the user is under stress. Still, it's possible - perhaps Phat is the one with DID, though? I'd hate that. lol)
So, taking the commandment into account doesn't actually cause much trouble when it comes to Mr. Kill, but it does leave us with fewer suspects: the ones that were there basically from the start while ALSO having had to deal with the fallout of the investment incident AND read the Nekros manga before this all started. Unfortunately, we don't have much confirmation about that last one, but there are a few obvious main suspects that fit the first two.
1) Kaye. His family was ruined by the investment case, his mother died, his father is sick, he lost pretty much everything. A + point would be that he wrote the actual comics, which is the most obvious hint towards him ever (vide the cops from the show). As a - point, we've seen his POV a lot and there isn't much suspicious there other than some memory loss that can be related to stress, trauma or anxiety, unless we infer that he has DID or another equally complicated disorder.
2) Kaye's father. A - point would be that he's apparently in a coma, and that being fake is quite cheesy and silly. It's not impossible, but it doesn't seem to suit the tone of the show IMO.
3) Another one of Kaye's relatives, like his mom that somehow might still be alive or whatever, would not fit the 'fair game' approach to solving this mystery. I'll ignore it when trying to solve the show.
4) Phat. His father went down as the main guilty party. He might be trying to expose the truth if his dad was framed, or trying to get revenge on people who also deserved a share of the guilt and got away scot free, and thinking of Kaye as his unwitting inspiration and accomplice. A - point is that, like with Kaye, we've seen his POV a lot, and it's even less suspicious than Kaye's. If he was actually involved, there should be at least one good hint, no matter how tiny, that most of the public would be able to catch. It's not impossible that hint is there, but I haven't found it and haven't seen anyone else in this board discuss that, either.
5) Praew. She has the same reasons Phat would have. We haven't seen her POV that often, which would leave more space to suspect her. A - point might be that she's seemingly reckless, while the "Nekros" mastermind seems very careful and into planning. Another - point is that she's tiny and skinny, but this is only really a - if she ever committed/commits a certain type of murder without Kim as an accomplice. As long as he was around, all the brutal actions that required blunt force could have been done by him. Was the death of that person-trafficker after Kim died particularly forceful? It might not have been. So, again, not impossible, just not extremely likely. (But still more in tone with the show than Kaye's father.) I'd still rather see her as someone manipulated into helping by the mastermind, especially after almost dying last time.
6) Thun. He implied some past involvement with the bank case, and since he's around the same age as our main duo, a close relative might have lost money like Kaye's father or even gone to jail as responsible for some part of the scheme, like Phat's father. It's currently unclear. Is it completely irrelevant and a red herring? Will it be explained now in the last two episodes of the show? Anything that takes significant time this close to the end must be important. A + point for Thun as the mastermind is the whole creepy situation in which he lured Kaye to the bar with the promise of the lost Nekros chapters and confessed to being a fan. Another + is how he openly antagonizes Phat - like someone who blames the son for the crimes of the father, perhaps? And of course, a last + might be how he's been using Praew... In fact, as a reporter, it is quite easy for him to learn things he wasn't supposed to know, but he would also have the social talents necessary to manipulate both Kim and, most likely Praew, who clearly has a vgilante-positive view of things. The only - I can think of is that he's quite obvious to those watching at this point --- but still, since the characters in the show don't suspect him, it doesn't mean much.
7) Any other rando involved with the Thai bank investment case is out since they were not introduced in the beginning of the series; any early character that might have been involved without the public's knowledge are still FAINTLY possible, but, again, would not constitute 'fair game' so I'd rather not waste my time on trying to solve the unsolvable.
Out of these 7 (???) possibilities, 8 if you decided to count Phat's uncle despite part 1 of what I wrote, Thun is by far the most suspicious one by + symbols alone; or, as a famous poet might put it, "the sussiest baka."
I think Kaye's dad faking a coma is too ridiculous for the tone of the show; and the uncle is a good possibility, but I have convinced myself that he's THE WHOLE REASON "Nekros" even exists as a serial killer in their world, because I think he was the one who was actually responsible for the bank incident and that he let Phat's father take the fall... But that's a long story D:
Anyway, Kaye having DID and being the killer would piss me off the very most out of all of them. Just having DID and having been manipulated is fine, but both makes annoys me sooooo much for real people with DID who constantly get pathologized as criminals in real life, and I just _hope_ GMMTV wouldn't do that in 2026.