I think I figured out why I'm so addicted to Liar.
It's not overexaggerated. (even though it's toxic)
This story turns out to be rich guy poor girl story, but this topic is very much overshadowed by their status as coworkers and all the issues they have. I think this coworker set up is probably the most likely way a cinderella story can happen nowadays, but like, it's so discreet it feels weird to call it a cinderella story. I don't even think about his wealth most of the time.
The work scenes are pretty mundane, which is the way they should be. It doesn't distract us away from the main story line. The story doesn't need wild situations to put them together. They are coworkers in the same department. Of course they will run into each other. (And these 2 are very good at super directly saying they want to meet, but never divulge their inner thoughts. Ahhhhhh. This is the source of their issues. This is the thing that drives everything in this drama.)
Rich guys in romance dramas tend to come with very exaggerated achievements and positions like a young CEO who is very capable and grabs all the attention. But here, rather than getting placed in dad's company like many of the dramas with young CEOs, Ichi works at dad's friend's company, which is a prestigious company much like his dad's company. And this is the way it works for many rich kids. If you work at a prestigious firm, you will know some kids will just turn out to be rich. As long as the job is presentable, these rich parents will be quite pleased. Big business can run itself. The heirs don't need to take over the firms.
Ichi just climbs the corporate ladder like a normal employee. He's good at his job, but at a firm like this, there are so so many people who are good at their jobs that he doesn't even stand out. Narita is also good at her job. She is not someone who needs help all the time like many in this trope. And of course, she must be good at her job. She's capable enough to land a job here.
This work setting is what makes this show very immersive for me. It feels as if this may very well be something happening at my workplace.
And of course, I love love Tadokoro. She dealt with Narita so discreetly Narita doesn't even know the situations happening to her were intended to separate her from Ichi. And Tadokoro was done with Ichi so early in the story.
I was like, wait, isn't this story about affair? No. The affair is just arc 1. This is a story about this toxic guy and how both of them horribly handle their relationship. The affair is only one of the many issues. Like I said, the biggest issue is the lack of communication.
By the way, I wrote this after watching 6 episodes with sub and ep 7 raw. I think this is the point when the wealth gap finally becomes the main plot, and it should be addressed eventually.
Yeah. This is such a perfect late night guilty pleasure show.
Has anyone read the original manga?Episode 12 fills the time gap between Episode 2 and 3, was this how it was…
I read the Japanese Wikipedia, and Episode 2.5 comes much later in the story. The word Episode is written in English, so you can get the general idea about the order from jp wiki even if you can’t read Japanese. And Episode here means case or arc, not chapter or drama episode.
But the drama still didn’t exactly follow the order in the manga. Episode 1 is there is only one suspect (drama ep 1) Episode 2 is the bus jack (drama ep 2-3) Episode 3 is the train case. Considering where Totonou was at the end of ep 11, I think the drama skipped this arc and will cover it in season 2 or maybe teasing about it in ep 12. Episode 4 follows Episode 3 and doesn’t seem to be in season 1. Episode 5 is the bomb case (drama ep 4) Episode 6 is the night at the hospital with the ex-detective (drama ep 5) Episode 7 goes from spotting kanji misspelling to digging up the bag. Episode 8 is the fire case (so Episode 7-8 = drama ep 6-7) Episode 9 is the date (drama ep 10) Then it’s Episode 2.5 (drama ep 11-12) Episode 10 is Ivy House (drama ep 8-9) And I think the rest wasn’t covered in season 1.
I knew she was an accomplice during the scene the director first appeared. Had the clown noticed because of the glances, he would have turned around a few seconds earlier. And she grasped her shirt really weirdly. This was the biggest hint for me. I watched the rest of the movie with that in mind.
Another instance was when her shirt was untied because the guy was likely in it for the money or the documents, not to take advantage of her. And because I was watching with the assumption that she's an accomplice, I thought wow they have a chance to discuss privately when she was taken away.
And her wound looked more like a cut than a gunshot to me, especially since the (fake flashback) CCTV showed that she was shot either in front or back. It was so quick I wasn't even sure. But like, don't you expect a gunshot wound to be a circle? Even if it wasn't obvious then, it should get creepy when everybody has the same cut.
But I still got a sense of minor plot twists.
I didn't figure out that she's a patient. I didn't notice the name Kawasaki because there were simply too many names all at once. I wasn't paying attention to the empty bed in the middle of the movie, because I wasn't sure if I could trust the older nurse to say the truth that the ward was full.
Also didn't figure out that she's the mastermind, not the clown.
I was also unsure whether the clown would be the senpai or the 3 guys in the beginning. It was pretty obvious that she has a big chance to twist what the older nurse said, but that sentence still confused me into thinking that maybe the 3 guys collaborated.
Most importantly, I didn't like the way they portrayed the other patients. They were all either completely still or has dementia or psychosis. I am ok with the open ending (whether she shot the ex pm or not) and killing the clown, but they should have explained how the patients ended up like this. Did they get drugged or what? This entire hospital was just too unrealistic like it's made just for a movie.
Also, I don't like that they stigmatized an ex-psychiatric hospital as creepy. I hate that they used car accidents twice. Too convenient.
I enjoyed exploring the hospital with them though. I would say it's worth watching once.
Wow. I rarely cry because of fiction, but this movie made me cry twice. The movie portrayed their friendship really well. It's the dark horse of the Japanese Film Festival for me.
I lost interest by about ep 5-6 and stopped watching. But I kept up with the Cherry fandom, so I saw all the spoilers…
Keita looks so badass. I just have to get back to the show. I will try to turn my brain off. I saw the spoilers of the worst moments e.g. pulling the knife out, so I shouldn't be too disgusted with the plot I guess.
I lost interest by about ep 5-6 and stopped watching. But I kept up with the Cherry fandom, so I saw all the spoilers and all the nonsense people on Twitter were criticizing. Just now I saw the spoilers for the final episode and I just have to get back...
(edit: not the final ep yet. I saw the big text 最終回 for the next ep preview and thought they meant this ep)
(So I wrote an explanation to get the age gap and older man younger man tags removed, and since this seems to be a common misunderstanding, I think I will also put it here.)
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/cherimaho/intro/ 冴えない30歳のサラリーマン・安達清。思わぬ力に困惑する中、ふと社内随一のイケメンで仕事もデキる同期・黒沢優一に触れたとき The official website, all the magazines, and all interviews said that Adachi Kiyoshi is a 30-year-old salaryman (30歳のサラリーマン・安達清), and Kurosawa Yuichi is a colleague from the same class year (同期・黒沢優) https://jisho.org/search/同期
There's a promo clip on yahoo with Machida and Akaso. From what I gathered, they were asked what kind of magic…
Ok watched it. Keita said he wants the power to summon a certain cat robot. If he can do that, all wishes can come true. I guess he didn't want to mention the Doraemon brand name directly. lol. But this manga/anime is such a classic everybody in Japan (and many other Asian countries) should get the reference. You can google more about it but basically it's about Doraemon, a cat robot who comes from the future with futuristic equipment e.g. the door that lets you go anyway, time machine, ... Each ep introduces at least 1 equipment, and the show has been running for a few decades so the list is endless. Back to the video Eiji said is that magic? Keita replied it's the magic to summon. Keita then said he wants a certain Moshimo Box. Eiji was like you don't need (to use the word) "certain". Moshimo box is a very specific name of an item in Doraemon. https://doraemon.fandom.com/wiki/What-If_Phone_Booth BTW, thanks for the clips. They are so rare. Omg
There's a promo clip on yahoo with Machida and Akaso. From what I gathered, they were asked what kind of magic…
I can't watch the video right now, but I have read a tranlation of this before, and that tran says Keita was talking about Doraemon, the robot cat in a classic anime called Doraemon.
Well Akaso Eiji and Machida Keita are both Japanese actors who may have many other projects that they may be doing…
They did a lot of the regular magazine promo for the drama when it first started. So many magazines I gave up buying them all. Also this is a drama that airs at 1am, which is too late at night for most people. The director said in an interview this is a drama that quietly aired at night. I don't really see actual variety show promo for this one unlike shows that air earlier in the night e.g. WataDou. Also, the only reason Machida is the only one doing the promo right now is purely because he's from the same agency as Deep Squad who sang the ED. The ED came out on Oct 30, which was less than a week ago, so this is the peak promotional period for the song. Keita isn't really doing any non-ending song promo right now either. This drama is never intended to be promoted as much as a primetime drama or mainstream movie because it's not. Whether it is BL or not is irrelevant. Also, Akaso is from Tristone, same agency as Tanaka Kei who was in Ossan's Love and Suzunosuke who is the senpai in this drama.
Omg. I just watched episode 3. Seriously, nobody should judge this drama until after episode 3. Like, it was one of the possible scenarios, but it just completely changed what this drama is actually about. I need subtitles. TT
2 episodes in, this is amazing. There are so many details I have to rewind to catch them all. The gender issue is very well portrayed, both subtly and directly. I can tell they put in the effort to make the family more realistic than in regular dramas. The houses are not extravagant, but we can tell they are rich from the way they dress and the fact that they have the private street. The drama also doesn't hold back on using Teochew Chinese terms to refer to family members at all. The only part I don't like is the strange youngest cousin. That doesn't seem necessary.
I'm Thai, but I rarely watch lakorn. I normally watch Korean or Japanese dramas and movies because they have stronger plots. This lakorn is a game changer. The characters do not follow the normal formula. I especially love episode 9 and 15. This is something I have always wanted to see.
I love not having to wait for sub because the drama is already in the language I'm fluent in. haha. I understand most of the poems as well. There are also so many untranslatable jokes or references throughout the story that shows the author's thoughtfulness, and I really appreciate those. I very rarely have this experience. I don't want it to end.
I also discovered that those historical cartoons I read when I was young make me pretty knowledgeable about this period of time as well. I was initially surprised a lot of Thai people didn't already know about kosa lhek, kosa parn, and falcon.
This lakorn revolutionizes Thai lakorn industry for sure. Some Thai people still have trouble accepting fictionalized historical dramas, but I think people should be more accepting after this. I expect to see more lakorn with complex plots in the future. Omg. The future of Thai entertainment suddenly looks so good.
There are some errors or something that may not be ideal, but for a lakorn that is not propaganda, this is already amazing.
I will patiently wait for พรหมลิขิต. I believe in the author.
It's not overexaggerated. (even though it's toxic)
This story turns out to be rich guy poor girl story, but this topic is very much overshadowed by their status as coworkers and all the issues they have. I think this coworker set up is probably the most likely way a cinderella story can happen nowadays, but like, it's so discreet it feels weird to call it a cinderella story. I don't even think about his wealth most of the time.
The work scenes are pretty mundane, which is the way they should be. It doesn't distract us away from the main story line. The story doesn't need wild situations to put them together. They are coworkers in the same department. Of course they will run into each other. (And these 2 are very good at super directly saying they want to meet, but never divulge their inner thoughts. Ahhhhhh. This is the source of their issues. This is the thing that drives everything in this drama.)
Rich guys in romance dramas tend to come with very exaggerated achievements and positions like a young CEO who is very capable and grabs all the attention. But here, rather than getting placed in dad's company like many of the dramas with young CEOs, Ichi works at dad's friend's company, which is a prestigious company much like his dad's company. And this is the way it works for many rich kids. If you work at a prestigious firm, you will know some kids will just turn out to be rich. As long as the job is presentable, these rich parents will be quite pleased. Big business can run itself. The heirs don't need to take over the firms.
Ichi just climbs the corporate ladder like a normal employee. He's good at his job, but at a firm like this, there are so so many people who are good at their jobs that he doesn't even stand out. Narita is also good at her job. She is not someone who needs help all the time like many in this trope. And of course, she must be good at her job. She's capable enough to land a job here.
This work setting is what makes this show very immersive for me. It feels as if this may very well be something happening at my workplace.
And of course, I love love Tadokoro. She dealt with Narita so discreetly Narita doesn't even know the situations happening to her were intended to separate her from Ichi. And Tadokoro was done with Ichi so early in the story.
I was like, wait, isn't this story about affair? No. The affair is just arc 1. This is a story about this toxic guy and how both of them horribly handle their relationship. The affair is only one of the many issues. Like I said, the biggest issue is the lack of communication.
By the way, I wrote this after watching 6 episodes with sub and ep 7 raw. I think this is the point when the wealth gap finally becomes the main plot, and it should be addressed eventually.
Yeah. This is such a perfect late night guilty pleasure show.
But the drama still didn’t exactly follow the order in the manga.
Episode 1 is there is only one suspect (drama ep 1)
Episode 2 is the bus jack (drama ep 2-3)
Episode 3 is the train case. Considering where Totonou was at the end of ep 11, I think the drama skipped this arc and will cover it in season 2 or maybe teasing about it in ep 12.
Episode 4 follows Episode 3 and doesn’t seem to be in season 1.
Episode 5 is the bomb case (drama ep 4)
Episode 6 is the night at the hospital with the ex-detective (drama ep 5)
Episode 7 goes from spotting kanji misspelling to digging up the bag.
Episode 8 is the fire case (so Episode 7-8 = drama ep 6-7)
Episode 9 is the date (drama ep 10)
Then it’s Episode 2.5 (drama ep 11-12)
Episode 10 is Ivy House (drama ep 8-9)
And I think the rest wasn’t covered in season 1.
I knew she was an accomplice during the scene the director first appeared. Had the clown noticed because of the glances, he would have turned around a few seconds earlier. And she grasped her shirt really weirdly. This was the biggest hint for me. I watched the rest of the movie with that in mind.
Another instance was when her shirt was untied because the guy was likely in it for the money or the documents, not to take advantage of her. And because I was watching with the assumption that she's an accomplice, I thought wow they have a chance to discuss privately when she was taken away.
And her wound looked more like a cut than a gunshot to me, especially since the (fake flashback) CCTV showed that she was shot either in front or back. It was so quick I wasn't even sure. But like, don't you expect a gunshot wound to be a circle? Even if it wasn't obvious then, it should get creepy when everybody has the same cut.
But I still got a sense of minor plot twists.
I didn't figure out that she's a patient. I didn't notice the name Kawasaki because there were simply too many names all at once. I wasn't paying attention to the empty bed in the middle of the movie, because I wasn't sure if I could trust the older nurse to say the truth that the ward was full.
Also didn't figure out that she's the mastermind, not the clown.
I was also unsure whether the clown would be the senpai or the 3 guys in the beginning. It was pretty obvious that she has a big chance to twist what the older nurse said, but that sentence still confused me into thinking that maybe the 3 guys collaborated.
Most importantly, I didn't like the way they portrayed the other patients. They were all either completely still or has dementia or psychosis. I am ok with the open ending (whether she shot the ex pm or not) and killing the clown, but they should have explained how the patients ended up like this. Did they get drugged or what? This entire hospital was just too unrealistic like it's made just for a movie.
Also, I don't like that they stigmatized an ex-psychiatric hospital as creepy. I hate that they used car accidents twice. Too convenient.
I enjoyed exploring the hospital with them though. I would say it's worth watching once.
(edit: not the final ep yet. I saw the big text 最終回 for the next ep preview and thought they meant this ep)
(So I wrote an explanation to get the age gap and older man younger man tags removed, and since this seems to be a common misunderstanding, I think I will also put it here.)
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/cherimaho/intro/
冴えない30歳のサラリーマン・安達清。思わぬ力に困惑する中、ふと社内随一のイケメンで仕事もデキる同期・黒沢優一に触れたとき
The official website, all the magazines, and all interviews said that Adachi Kiyoshi is a 30-year-old salaryman (30歳のサラリーマン・安達清), and Kurosawa Yuichi is a colleague from the same class year (同期・黒沢優)
https://jisho.org/search/同期
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_recruiting_of_new_graduates
Japan has a system where companies hire graduates straight out of university all at once, which means they are the same age.
The ones who have a 4-year age gap are the actors, not the characters.
Keita said he wants the power to summon a certain cat robot. If he can do that, all wishes can come true.
I guess he didn't want to mention the Doraemon brand name directly. lol. But this manga/anime is such a classic everybody in Japan (and many other Asian countries) should get the reference. You can google more about it but basically it's about Doraemon, a cat robot who comes from the future with futuristic equipment e.g. the door that lets you go anyway, time machine, ... Each ep introduces at least 1 equipment, and the show has been running for a few decades so the list is endless.
Back to the video
Eiji said is that magic?
Keita replied it's the magic to summon.
Keita then said he wants a certain Moshimo Box.
Eiji was like you don't need (to use the word) "certain".
Moshimo box is a very specific name of an item in Doraemon. https://doraemon.fandom.com/wiki/What-If_Phone_Booth
BTW, thanks for the clips. They are so rare. Omg
I love not having to wait for sub because the drama is already in the language I'm fluent in. haha. I understand most of the poems as well. There are also so many untranslatable jokes or references throughout the story that shows the author's thoughtfulness, and I really appreciate those. I very rarely have this experience. I don't want it to end.
I also discovered that those historical cartoons I read when I was young make me pretty knowledgeable about this period of time as well. I was initially surprised a lot of Thai people didn't already know about kosa lhek, kosa parn, and falcon.
This lakorn revolutionizes Thai lakorn industry for sure. Some Thai people still have trouble accepting fictionalized historical dramas, but I think people should be more accepting after this. I expect to see more lakorn with complex plots in the future. Omg. The future of Thai entertainment suddenly looks so good.
There are some errors or something that may not be ideal, but for a lakorn that is not propaganda, this is already amazing.
I will patiently wait for พรหมลิขิต. I believe in the author.