alina_56

I agree with you. Just because we are hurting and have problems doesn't mean we shoud treat people like this.
I'm still firmly in the camp of Seojoon deserves better... I was hoping these episodes would bring me over to the Seowoo camp but I'm in the same spot... disappointed at JW behavior and thinking SJ deserves better...

Wow I missed that line .... wtf.
I don't even know how to interpret that.
Guess he meant he wanted Seojoon to feel pain just like he did in the relationship just like the ex who wished him the same when she left? But the loneliness and insecurities were his own making. Nobody stopped him from making a life outside of Seojoon...He stopped himself. As well as not being able to communicate a single feeling he had. Did he resent SJ for having people around him while he didn't???
The fact that he knew it was his own making but still wished that SJ would feel pain and hurt cause he did is so messed up...
It also stands in contrast to Seojoon wishing him happiness and health when he gave up on him and left in present time althought he got treated horribly for weeks.. I'm sick

The plot is being unfair to Seojoon I agree. He got treated horribly the entire season but we are supposed to understand what JW did cause Jiwoo has low self esteem and insecurities and can't communicate. Well I don't understand and it does not justify what JW did. And probably Jiwoo will apologise once and then Seojoon will take him back even after everything he was put through... I'm sad mad and disappointed.

And I think in one of these two episodes the ex had more screentime than Seojoon... a joke.

Honestly I'm disappointed... That's it??
I'm sorry but to me Jiwoo's reasons don't justify his treatment of Seojoon this season at all. I was hoping they would be more substantial to partly justify the harshness and cruelness but this doesn't...

Ok so he was loney without SJ, he felt like a burden to him, he was losing himself in the relationship and he thought SJ would be better off without him . His low self esteem made him think he was nobody to SJ and he'd be ok without him. I get that, I'm a person with the same insecurities and low self esteem and I feel like I'm a burden to people. So I'm not dismissing his feelings from the flashbacks.

However I don't think that warranted such a behaivor from JW towards SJ for this entire season. Even if he didn't read the texts, Seojoon coming to the village and fighting so hard for them should have been proof enough that Seojoon actually loves him deeply and is not ok without him . His insistance as well. Instead JW pushed him away cause in his head it was better this way for him and SJ without stopping to realise that what he was actually doing was 100 times worse to Seojoon than what he thought their relationship was doing to him.

I saw people on twitter were changing their opinions on Jiwoo this season but I just I don't know... His behavior feels way too unfair for Seojoon even with Jiwoo's reasons revealed. You can have deep insecurities and mental issues and low self esteem ( I do as well) but that doesn't justify treating people around you horribly like he did with Seojoon.
JW only realising how wrong he was now and going to apologise will feel too little too late for me at this point and that saddens me. I was hoping for more from these two episodes...

Couple hours left! Can't wait

I 100% agree that it's better than Season 1. I feel like everything got upped this season. I'm enjoying it much better

Reddit is also kinder to the season and just waiting for more of Jiwoo's pov . Althought there are people who wish the season wasn't as angsty as it is there. While I am not exactly happy with how far they've taken Jiwoo in the past two episodes I feel like some of the takes here are a bit extreme in comparison to what I see in different corners of the internet. But it's interesting to see the different interpretation and receptions to the storyline

It's not little since that is probably the whole of s1 but it's definitely not the best either and I really wish they started with episode 5 or 6 .

I agree. I liked how they started the season. I just wish like you said that they showed more flashbacks from JW pov instead of more time with the daughter her mother and ex .

And the last two episodes are 76 minutes

I agree mostly. A lot of people are rooting for SJ to just move on at this point and that's not good for the show. I said the same after watching these two episodes , it's not good to make half of the main couple unlikable. They should have spent more time showing Jiwoo's pov beginning with ep 5 because now I can't help but feel like it'll be too little too late.
I am still rooting for them to end up together and happy but I'm apprehensive about how they'll pull it off. I'm still loving the show tho

I think it's implied by the fact that they had switched shirts in the epilogue /in the morning.

You expressed your thoughts very nicely . You're very eloquent and I wish I could express myself like you.

However I do think that the comparison to what Jiwoo did in ep 5 to sexual abuse/mind r*pe is too much and saying it's like SJ is in love with his sexual abuser is an exageration. I think that's a really really harsh take . I agree that JW was really cruel in ep 5 and 6 and their relationship is toxic at this point and I'm not really sure how they're going to be able to properly get them together by the end of the season. But I feel like using such heavy heavy words for what happened is not right considering what they actually represent in real life and how it affects the survivors. I'd rather use toxic messy and eventually emotional manipulation.
That's my take at least. You are of course welcome to express your thoughts the way you see fit.

While this doesn’t excuse Jiwoo in the slightest let's not act like SJ is an angel either. I agree that in episode 1/2 JW has no right to just tell him to get lost when SJ showed up on his doorstep . SJ deserved an explanation of why Jiwoo just left. But after JW made it clear he wants nothing to do with him ( even if he was lying) and yet SJ kept calling him tiredlessly to tell him to come to Seoul and then inserted himself in his personal life quite forcefully. I can imagine how that would be frustrating and bring out the worst in you and try to get that person to leave you alone. Now I am not saying that justifies how Jiwoo is treating SJ because it doesn't at all and Jiwoo is very much giving mixed signals and lying . I agree the writers took Jiwoo too far in episode 5 especially .
I just wouldn't use such heavy language.

As for being lonely, if it wasn't a lie I want to say that sometimes even when a person showers you with love and affection you can still feel lonely if your own self doesn’t let you enjoy it and ravel in it. Sometimes you can't help the way you feel even if that person is an angel to you so saying JW was getting plenty of love and affection from Sj so it's impossible for him to have felt lonely at all is sth I don't necessarily agree with.

I really hope they'll adress it too. Honestly I'll be disappointed if they don't adress SJ trauma at all after how they teased the root of the issue in episode 4 with the short flashback

"that's why he looked at his parents photo at the bedside after they slept together? hmmm"

I actually think this means they didn't do anything heinous like kidnapping. Why would JW keep a picture of his parents if they did something that awful.

I do think that SJ trauma and JW parents and what happened with them is connected tho. There's too many hints for it to be otherwise. Showing us flashbacks to SJ trauma, the villagers mentioning JW parents and cameras being in town before and causing problems, JW keeps looking at the picture of his parents in the last two episodes and him asking SJ to stay away from the elders. It must be all connected.

I just don't think that JW parents did truly something evil but rather that it was an accident/misunderstanding and JW found out and left to keep SJ from the truth thinking it will hurt him.

I do think SJ trauma and whatever happened to him and JW parents ( and maybe their death too) are connected somehow and I think JW knows and that's why he left. We see stage lights in SJ flashback and we know from the villagers that there were cameras before in the city and parents were the problem.

However here's why I think the kidnapping theory is unlikely: JW keeps a framed picture of his parents on his bed side . We saw it in s1 and it's likely the one he looked at in the epilogue of ep 5 and in ep 6 too. If he knew that his parents did such a thing I am sure he would keep zero pictures or memories of them in his life. It wouldn't make sense to keep them .

For that reason I think that's very unlikely to happen + it would be such a wild twist of the story.
I do think SJ and the parents are connected. I'm just not sure exactly what happened. At this moment I am leaning that whatever happened was an accident/misunderstanding that lead to SJ being scarred for life and JW parents death.

Twt is really wilding 😭
I saw one theory there that said that JW parents kidnapped SJ as a kid and JW knows and that's why he left 🥴

I hope so and that we aren't all clowns come Sunday 😭

You're right. It was about their values and personalities not aligning when he said that

For real I can't concentrate a lot of the time thinking about what will happen next. I just want Sunday to come