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I'm sorry to say that there are films that manage to explain a lot more things in two hours than this series has done in 7.5h so far. There was stories to tell, but they managed to waste so many episodes and minutes in repeating the same flashbacks of them in the beach and JW being obsessive and wallowing on his misery and EO being awful and uncommunicative for no reason, 20 minutes we get the idea of their situation (now, that is digestible) and then they could have gone directly to progress and growth and learn more about the insight of the characters. They cut all that wallowing short and then they have about 6 hours left to tell a good story, how they changed and what happens to them from now on (as well as more focus on the other characters).
I'm afraid I still think this series suffered from bad writing, and the time is no excuse. There are plenty of 1h dramas that suffer from the same problem and drag the story to then speed things up in the end because "ups, we ran out of time now" and left things without explanation or answer. Time is not the problem, it's the writing and the execution of the series.

How the main characters acted in this episode is out of character and I can't blame the time or episodes being short given how the show has been presented in general.
I don't like this show for multiple reasons in terms of story/writing, this last episode was just the icing on the cake with that out of character overnight change (and we'll see if it lasts).
And it's funny because this has been the first episode I've actually enjoyed since the first ones, but in my opinion it has been done badly, both in writing and especially timing and it doesn't make any better anything that has happened in previous episodes nor it redeems the main characters in any way :/

Wow, what happened with the writing in this last episode? It's like the main two characters got one of the brain cells that were missing and they seem a lot more mature than they have been the entirety of the series and it happened overnight and I'm supposed to believe it.
I wish this had been like episode 4 or 5. I've had to watch so many filler episodes for this to happen and they have been both so bad until now I don't feel anything for these two characters anymore, so their apologies and their new discovered maturity is unrealistic and unbelievable. Such a shame. If this had been episode 4 or 5 it would have been such a better series for me.
I liked the moment between KG and SY, it was good, although they have shown so little of these two when they were together that at the same time it felt disconnected in a certain way.

Pretty much exactly that... hahaha

I get it why they did it that way, posts would have been impersonal in a professional account, but it just highlights even more how lame and unrealistic the whole idea of that scene was.

I didn't see those details so I went to check and I think it says 0 followers and 0 following? She didn't seem to have any comments or likes in any of the posts either... and also her instagram account name is 03_lovely? with a zero as well instead of an O?
Shouldn't she have a very open professional instagram account for her own company as O3? Isn't she in marketing? haha

So true.
I found the instagram thing very lame to be honest... Easy writing.

Oh wow, ok hahaha I didn't think it was funny at all xD

Totally agree!
And same, I didn't like very much KJW acting as Sun Ah...

Yeah, it's true.
Yes, as you say she has basically been running away of her problems since the beginning. She ran away from her problems going to Yangyang and has been runnning away since then, no difference.
You could tell that even when she was Yoon Sun Ah, she was so forced. If I met someone like that I would totally assume there are issues there.
Her general behaviour is also a good indication that even in the future if something else happened between them she'll most likely run away again or will create unnecessary drama because she's not honest with herself.
Anyway, we already know these two are very unhealthy together and they need to help themselves separately. Such a shame the series is not going in that direction.

Completely agree with everything you say about JW and EO, I was pretty done with them but I can't deny I was still having some little hopes they weren't going to follow this path. Now after this episode I'm clearly very done with the both of them.

I like KG because of that, although I wish he was also as assertive with EO, I think sometimes she has been rude to him for no reason, and I feel that being friends doesn't justify it and doesn't make it endearing either.
We don't know much of SY background, but she obviously also has issues she needs to tackle, and as you say I'm glad KG is not going to her. She knows where he is if she wants to say something.

So true!

Well, the comedy must have been very very bad because I didn't even realise anything in this episode was supposed to be funny XD

True what you say and I agree as well, I think to me it made me feel a bit uncomfortable because she was once again meaning the opposite of what she was saying, and he was pushy as always. So what she was saying, even if she didn't truly mean it, was completely ignored. I don't know, they have such an awful dynamic and communication I felt like it was just not the time for them to be kissing like it solves everything, so it made me feel weird, mostly because of the implications of the kiss story wise and the way they filmed it trying to convey like if their relationship was the most romantic thing ever.

Yeah, I agree with you on that as well, I have no idea how they're going to end the stories of the others, I really was hoping for a more and better insight on GJ-RY's relationship, especially the background of RY and her apprehension towards him spending money on her.
I'm not even sure why SY is in this show at this point as you say, they have showed nearly nothing of her and anything we see of KG is just because he happens to be more around the main leads.

Couldn't agree more with both of you.
Also, as you both say, what happened with the interview style? It got lost half way. I'm confused with this. What was the point of it then? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
What a mess. The last scene of the last episode made me feel uncomfortable even...

I never stated that what works for me needs to work for others, I haven't even talked about anything personal. Not sure where you're getting this from.
I simply think from a psychological point of view that people shouldn't and don't need to drown, that's all. You want to believe people need to do that fair enough.
Not sure how not generalising and believing that people doesn't need to drown is narrow minded, in fact if anything the opposite, so not sure if simply you felt like attacking me or what.
People grows despite the drowning, not because of it. You can get a push in other ways. I'm going to put it in a more basic way so the message comes across, some people drawns is a fact, I simply stated that it's not necessary, it's just an extreme consequence of a system that fails. So do I believe people NEEDS to drown? NO. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Not sure how things might work in your country but if I went to a psychologist in mine and they said to me I NEED to drown to be able to overcome a problem because it seems "nothing else" works I literally would look for another psychologist since clearly that one is useless at their job.
I have a feeling you believe I'm denying the existance of that happening, and I'm simply arguing that people doesn't NEED to drown. It's a consequence of things going worse, not of things going better. You can get better without drowning, so there is no NEED to drown.

I feel like things here get lost in translation so I'm not going to reply again after this since I feel that you're not reading my words as I wrote them and then you're assuming or misunderstanding things I'm saying. But I was feeling personally attacked by the first sentences of your last message and I wanted to reply.

There are people that wants the main leads to be together in the end, that's romanticising an unhealthy relationship.

I don't agree either with people needing to drown, I'm afraid. You can reboot without drowning.

Ah I see, my bad, I didn't read it as reiteration and I thought you were telling me again, sorry.

They will be stuck there forever unless there is a will to not be stuck and change though. So I don't agree with that either. People can indeed be stuck forever in a problem.

I haven't read your previous posts about mental health and so on. Either way it would depend on which kind of approach to mental health you have. Psychology is not black and white. But I'm very sorry to say that I personally feel like sometimes it comes across like you contradict yourself in the same comment. Like for example saying "Maturity and experiences isn't determine by age" and then in the same comment saying later "We are expect or think adult be mature and reasonable".
And I'm not assuming anything, I'm going by what you're writing, and obviously you can't expect everyone to have read every single comment you have made, I don't know you, so I'm only replying to the comments I have indeed read and taking the information contained in those specific comments. If you say that love is crazy and unreasonable I'm going to reply to that because I don't agree, for example. I can't know what you said about the topic in a different comment that I have not read.
So, you might have been consistent in what you said in this forum but I have only read a couple of your comments and I didn't agree with things you said, reason why I replied.
If you prefer, I won't reply to any of your comments from now on, it's not an issue.

Not sure what your "I don't see many people romanticising it here" is referring to because I didn't say anything that could link to that.

That's the problem though, they're not trying to navigate through it, they're drowning in the storm and accepting it as good and something that happens.
They're clearly stuck and their flaws that are not flaws, they're problems. It's a problem when your behaviour is affecting negatively everyone around you and disrupting your and their lives. If you have a problem and you're not trying to solve it or work on it then you're stuck.
They need to do a lot more than accepting the fear, hate, love and whatever. They have mental issues they need to work on, both for them and for the people around them.
And as you said on other comments, they need to work on them separetely.

I know there are many types of love. I literally just said that love is subjective....
Love doesn't necessarily make you crazy and unreasonable, and if it does chances are it's not healthy and the people involved needs help, like the leads in this series.
You say you addressed what is healthy and unhealthy and I guess going by that I understand that for you love is always unhealthy since it makes people "crazy and unreasonable".
I already answered to you in another comment about being an adult. Clearly they're not mature and reasonable. Doesn't mean either that other adults might actually be mature and reasonable. Individuals can be many things, not just one thing or another simple because of age.

No, being an adult doesn't automatically make you experienced and mature. But it's true that with more age you certainly have lived more experiences and in certain aspects you can know more things, but doesn't mean you're experienced in everything.
It has to do more with what you learn, your environment and the specific experiences that you had as well as your outlook on life. So it is very relative and for that reason I wouldn't either automatically asume that someone that is older is not experienced and mature. Just each individual will be different, that's all.
Whatever the age, the question is if they're trying to find their way or if they seek help to find their way, many do not. So can we say they're lost and trying when they don't try? Can we say the main leads here, for example, are trying to find their way? I would say they're not. If they're not trying to find their way then what I'm seeing is presented as "is" rather than a journey to finding a path that makes them find their own voices and being comfortable in themselves, an internal peace and a healthy love.
Love can be reasonable and sane and it doesn't make everyone insane at all.
I wouldn't say that feelings and emotions are illogical or irrational or that even can't be the result of deep analysis. We need to stop assuming that being emotional, having feelings is an antonym of analysis, logical or rational thought.
In fact, accepting that you feel, that you have emotions and let you feel those emotions is a very rational, logical thought to me as a human being.

There simply isn't something as objective "perfection". Something being perfect is going to depend on the individual. Something that is perfect to me might not be to you, and that's completely fine. So I can't agree with you about there not being perfect characters for example. There are perfect characters to me that with their flaws and mistakes they are perfect to my eyes because they convey something that I regard as good as it can be. So the key if anything is finding your own perfection rather than looking for a standard perfection that society might have advertised to you as the culmination of humanity. So love can be about perfect characters, because you're not less perfect for having flaws, and you'll find someone that will see that perfection. But also without romanticising toxic behaviour as a flaw that needs to be accepted, whatever that toxic behaviour might look like, those are not flaws, they're problems.