Couldn't agree more with both of you.Also, as you both say, what happened with the interview style? It got lost…
Yeah, it's true. Yes, as you say she has basically been running away of her problems since the beginning. She ran away from her problems going to Yangyang and has been runnning away since then, no difference. You could tell that even when she was Yoon Sun Ah, she was so forced. If I met someone like that I would totally assume there are issues there. Her general behaviour is also a good indication that even in the future if something else happened between them she'll most likely run away again or will create unnecessary drama because she's not honest with herself. Anyway, we already know these two are very unhealthy together and they need to help themselves separately. Such a shame the series is not going in that direction.
Couldn't agree more with both of you.Also, as you both say, what happened with the interview style? It got lost…
Completely agree with everything you say about JW and EO, I was pretty done with them but I can't deny I was still having some little hopes they weren't going to follow this path. Now after this episode I'm clearly very done with the both of them.
I like KG because of that, although I wish he was also as assertive with EO, I think sometimes she has been rude to him for no reason, and I feel that being friends doesn't justify it and doesn't make it endearing either. We don't know much of SY background, but she obviously also has issues she needs to tackle, and as you say I'm glad KG is not going to her. She knows where he is if she wants to say something.
Couldn't agree more with both of you.Also, as you both say, what happened with the interview style? It got lost…
True what you say and I agree as well, I think to me it made me feel a bit uncomfortable because she was once again meaning the opposite of what she was saying, and he was pushy as always. So what she was saying, even if she didn't truly mean it, was completely ignored. I don't know, they have such an awful dynamic and communication I felt like it was just not the time for them to be kissing like it solves everything, so it made me feel weird, mostly because of the implications of the kiss story wise and the way they filmed it trying to convey like if their relationship was the most romantic thing ever.
Yeah, I agree with you on that as well, I have no idea how they're going to end the stories of the others, I really was hoping for a more and better insight on GJ-RY's relationship, especially the background of RY and her apprehension towards him spending money on her. I'm not even sure why SY is in this show at this point as you say, they have showed nearly nothing of her and anything we see of KG is just because he happens to be more around the main leads.
i cannot believe that the makers wasted 9-10 episodes of EO's so-called low self-esteem issues and JW's heartbreak…
Couldn't agree more with both of you. Also, as you both say, what happened with the interview style? It got lost half way. I'm confused with this. What was the point of it then? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ What a mess. The last scene of the last episode made me feel uncomfortable even...
No, being an adult doesn't automatically make you experienced and mature. But it's true that with more age you…
I never stated that what works for me needs to work for others, I haven't even talked about anything personal. Not sure where you're getting this from. I simply think from a psychological point of view that people shouldn't and don't need to drown, that's all. You want to believe people need to do that fair enough. Not sure how not generalising and believing that people doesn't need to drown is narrow minded, in fact if anything the opposite, so not sure if simply you felt like attacking me or what. People grows despite the drowning, not because of it. You can get a push in other ways. I'm going to put it in a more basic way so the message comes across, some people drawns is a fact, I simply stated that it's not necessary, it's just an extreme consequence of a system that fails. So do I believe people NEEDS to drown? NO. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Not sure how things might work in your country but if I went to a psychologist in mine and they said to me I NEED to drown to be able to overcome a problem because it seems "nothing else" works I literally would look for another psychologist since clearly that one is useless at their job. I have a feeling you believe I'm denying the existance of that happening, and I'm simply arguing that people doesn't NEED to drown. It's a consequence of things going worse, not of things going better. You can get better without drowning, so there is no NEED to drown.
I feel like things here get lost in translation so I'm not going to reply again after this since I feel that you're not reading my words as I wrote them and then you're assuming or misunderstanding things I'm saying. But I was feeling personally attacked by the first sentences of your last message and I wanted to reply.
Maybe that's called LOVE. It doesn't matter if it is a summer fling, one day or even one minute if you are head…
Ah I see, my bad, I didn't read it as reiteration and I thought you were telling me again, sorry.
They will be stuck there forever unless there is a will to not be stuck and change though. So I don't agree with that either. People can indeed be stuck forever in a problem.
I haven't read your previous posts about mental health and so on. Either way it would depend on which kind of approach to mental health you have. Psychology is not black and white. But I'm very sorry to say that I personally feel like sometimes it comes across like you contradict yourself in the same comment. Like for example saying "Maturity and experiences isn't determine by age" and then in the same comment saying later "We are expect or think adult be mature and reasonable". And I'm not assuming anything, I'm going by what you're writing, and obviously you can't expect everyone to have read every single comment you have made, I don't know you, so I'm only replying to the comments I have indeed read and taking the information contained in those specific comments. If you say that love is crazy and unreasonable I'm going to reply to that because I don't agree, for example. I can't know what you said about the topic in a different comment that I have not read. So, you might have been consistent in what you said in this forum but I have only read a couple of your comments and I didn't agree with things you said, reason why I replied. If you prefer, I won't reply to any of your comments from now on, it's not an issue.
No, being an adult doesn't automatically make you experienced and mature. But it's true that with more age you…
Not sure what your "I don't see many people romanticising it here" is referring to because I didn't say anything that could link to that.
That's the problem though, they're not trying to navigate through it, they're drowning in the storm and accepting it as good and something that happens. They're clearly stuck and their flaws that are not flaws, they're problems. It's a problem when your behaviour is affecting negatively everyone around you and disrupting your and their lives. If you have a problem and you're not trying to solve it or work on it then you're stuck. They need to do a lot more than accepting the fear, hate, love and whatever. They have mental issues they need to work on, both for them and for the people around them. And as you said on other comments, they need to work on them separetely.
Maybe that's called LOVE. It doesn't matter if it is a summer fling, one day or even one minute if you are head…
I know there are many types of love. I literally just said that love is subjective.... Love doesn't necessarily make you crazy and unreasonable, and if it does chances are it's not healthy and the people involved needs help, like the leads in this series. You say you addressed what is healthy and unhealthy and I guess going by that I understand that for you love is always unhealthy since it makes people "crazy and unreasonable". I already answered to you in another comment about being an adult. Clearly they're not mature and reasonable. Doesn't mean either that other adults might actually be mature and reasonable. Individuals can be many things, not just one thing or another simple because of age.
Many ppl seem to think that being an adult (age) makes the person experienced and matured. Many are not... Many…
No, being an adult doesn't automatically make you experienced and mature. But it's true that with more age you certainly have lived more experiences and in certain aspects you can know more things, but doesn't mean you're experienced in everything. It has to do more with what you learn, your environment and the specific experiences that you had as well as your outlook on life. So it is very relative and for that reason I wouldn't either automatically asume that someone that is older is not experienced and mature. Just each individual will be different, that's all. Whatever the age, the question is if they're trying to find their way or if they seek help to find their way, many do not. So can we say they're lost and trying when they don't try? Can we say the main leads here, for example, are trying to find their way? I would say they're not. If they're not trying to find their way then what I'm seeing is presented as "is" rather than a journey to finding a path that makes them find their own voices and being comfortable in themselves, an internal peace and a healthy love. Love can be reasonable and sane and it doesn't make everyone insane at all. I wouldn't say that feelings and emotions are illogical or irrational or that even can't be the result of deep analysis. We need to stop assuming that being emotional, having feelings is an antonym of analysis, logical or rational thought. In fact, accepting that you feel, that you have emotions and let you feel those emotions is a very rational, logical thought to me as a human being.
There simply isn't something as objective "perfection". Something being perfect is going to depend on the individual. Something that is perfect to me might not be to you, and that's completely fine. So I can't agree with you about there not being perfect characters for example. There are perfect characters to me that with their flaws and mistakes they are perfect to my eyes because they convey something that I regard as good as it can be. So the key if anything is finding your own perfection rather than looking for a standard perfection that society might have advertised to you as the culmination of humanity. So love can be about perfect characters, because you're not less perfect for having flaws, and you'll find someone that will see that perfection. But also without romanticising toxic behaviour as a flaw that needs to be accepted, whatever that toxic behaviour might look like, those are not flaws, they're problems.
One of my main problem with the drama is the product is not what they advertised... They should have simple said…
It is true in many ways that people tend to give adults too much credit. It's true that most adults haven't found their way and many won't ever. That being said, romantic relationships, especially if started at a certain age like in this case, don't tend to look like this, and rarely you would find someone that has been lied to at this level forgive the other person and try to still be with them.
Gyung Joon and Ri Yin have flaws and problems that they need to tackle, and certainly could be a reason for them to break up in the future, but couples like that tend to work for a while, even many years as One Ajhussi says. They'll have their ups and downs and one will promise to the other that they will change and so on. This is just very typical. In fact I would say of the relationships in the series theirs is the most realistic one so far. Lack of communication is very common in relationships and to a certain level it's not even an impediment for the relationship to "work", but to a certain extent, you can easily cross the line when portraying these kind of things and then it just becomes unrealistic, like the main leads here. It's ok for a drama, but not one advertised as a realistic portrayal of people in their late 20s/early 30s. I do agree with you Noy that I would also like more dramas where the individuals decide to heal on their own. I would also like to see growth, seek help as well if needed, and overall that if they're going to present an unhealthy relationship they make very clear it's not healthy.
Maybe that's called LOVE. It doesn't matter if it is a summer fling, one day or even one minute if you are head…
Love is obviously subjective. What you describe as love is not something I I regard as love personally. To me what you say it's just attraction or a fling as you said yourself. Many times attraction is not regarded as strong, but it can totally be the reason for people to lose their minds and fall into unhealthy habits. I wouldn't say Jaewon is in love again, he is still attracted to her and the memories he had with her, he's clinging to the idea of what she was and he wants to believe that she is. That attraction is what is keeping him attached and interested (plus his stubborness and everything ponnu said) what makes it a pretty toxic relationship. He's giving her unwanted attention, even if deep down she wanted it her words still need to mean something. If she actually means the opposite of what she says then she has a problem in communicating in a healthy way what she wants (she clearly has this problem). By people giving her what she wants by acting the opposite of what she says they're only feeding into that unhealthy habit of hers.
Am I the only one who doesn't wants ML and FL to end up together?They both need some closure and move on with…
I am also hoping they don't end up together. That's my happy ending for this series. They have such toxic dynamics and a massive lack of communication. That's not going to be solved in one night. If they do take the path of Jaewon "healing" her it's going to be terrible, he should start by helping himself first before he goes around trying to fix anyone else.
i would really like this show if those two dont end up together... it would be more realistic and very different…
Exactly, I feel the same way. I think if this drama ended up with them two not together it would be different, teach something and show a healthier take on how not to end a series when the leads are not good for each other (because they're not even good to themselves). I feel that to some extent the level of disappointment I feel with this series so far is that I'm expecting the "happy" ending and that's going to be bad. I'm actually going to be so much more satisfied if it ended like it should, and that hope is what keeps me from dropping it (plus being a completionist). I also have the same feeling as you when it comes to GJ and RY and that's going to be a shame because as you say if they talk things through I think it could work out.
I can understand how the FL ended up where she did, I can empathise with her journey that lead her to the coast wanting to start a new life. I can't justify anything she did to ML (or her friends) after that though and anything they have shown or will show is not going to change my opinion. I think it's all right to show these kind of relationships but I'll only enjoy them if there is some growth or it's trying to tell me something more than just "these things happen", I know they do. I'm really hoping they don't end up together.
And same, I didn't like very much KJW acting as Sun Ah...
Yes, as you say she has basically been running away of her problems since the beginning. She ran away from her problems going to Yangyang and has been runnning away since then, no difference.
You could tell that even when she was Yoon Sun Ah, she was so forced. If I met someone like that I would totally assume there are issues there.
Her general behaviour is also a good indication that even in the future if something else happened between them she'll most likely run away again or will create unnecessary drama because she's not honest with herself.
Anyway, we already know these two are very unhealthy together and they need to help themselves separately. Such a shame the series is not going in that direction.
I like KG because of that, although I wish he was also as assertive with EO, I think sometimes she has been rude to him for no reason, and I feel that being friends doesn't justify it and doesn't make it endearing either.
We don't know much of SY background, but she obviously also has issues she needs to tackle, and as you say I'm glad KG is not going to her. She knows where he is if she wants to say something.
Yeah, I agree with you on that as well, I have no idea how they're going to end the stories of the others, I really was hoping for a more and better insight on GJ-RY's relationship, especially the background of RY and her apprehension towards him spending money on her.
I'm not even sure why SY is in this show at this point as you say, they have showed nearly nothing of her and anything we see of KG is just because he happens to be more around the main leads.
Also, as you both say, what happened with the interview style? It got lost half way. I'm confused with this. What was the point of it then? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
What a mess. The last scene of the last episode made me feel uncomfortable even...
I simply think from a psychological point of view that people shouldn't and don't need to drown, that's all. You want to believe people need to do that fair enough.
Not sure how not generalising and believing that people doesn't need to drown is narrow minded, in fact if anything the opposite, so not sure if simply you felt like attacking me or what.
People grows despite the drowning, not because of it. You can get a push in other ways. I'm going to put it in a more basic way so the message comes across, some people drawns is a fact, I simply stated that it's not necessary, it's just an extreme consequence of a system that fails. So do I believe people NEEDS to drown? NO. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Not sure how things might work in your country but if I went to a psychologist in mine and they said to me I NEED to drown to be able to overcome a problem because it seems "nothing else" works I literally would look for another psychologist since clearly that one is useless at their job.
I have a feeling you believe I'm denying the existance of that happening, and I'm simply arguing that people doesn't NEED to drown. It's a consequence of things going worse, not of things going better. You can get better without drowning, so there is no NEED to drown.
I feel like things here get lost in translation so I'm not going to reply again after this since I feel that you're not reading my words as I wrote them and then you're assuming or misunderstanding things I'm saying. But I was feeling personally attacked by the first sentences of your last message and I wanted to reply.
I don't agree either with people needing to drown, I'm afraid. You can reboot without drowning.
They will be stuck there forever unless there is a will to not be stuck and change though. So I don't agree with that either. People can indeed be stuck forever in a problem.
I haven't read your previous posts about mental health and so on. Either way it would depend on which kind of approach to mental health you have. Psychology is not black and white. But I'm very sorry to say that I personally feel like sometimes it comes across like you contradict yourself in the same comment. Like for example saying "Maturity and experiences isn't determine by age" and then in the same comment saying later "We are expect or think adult be mature and reasonable".
And I'm not assuming anything, I'm going by what you're writing, and obviously you can't expect everyone to have read every single comment you have made, I don't know you, so I'm only replying to the comments I have indeed read and taking the information contained in those specific comments. If you say that love is crazy and unreasonable I'm going to reply to that because I don't agree, for example. I can't know what you said about the topic in a different comment that I have not read.
So, you might have been consistent in what you said in this forum but I have only read a couple of your comments and I didn't agree with things you said, reason why I replied.
If you prefer, I won't reply to any of your comments from now on, it's not an issue.
That's the problem though, they're not trying to navigate through it, they're drowning in the storm and accepting it as good and something that happens.
They're clearly stuck and their flaws that are not flaws, they're problems. It's a problem when your behaviour is affecting negatively everyone around you and disrupting your and their lives. If you have a problem and you're not trying to solve it or work on it then you're stuck.
They need to do a lot more than accepting the fear, hate, love and whatever. They have mental issues they need to work on, both for them and for the people around them.
And as you said on other comments, they need to work on them separetely.
Love doesn't necessarily make you crazy and unreasonable, and if it does chances are it's not healthy and the people involved needs help, like the leads in this series.
You say you addressed what is healthy and unhealthy and I guess going by that I understand that for you love is always unhealthy since it makes people "crazy and unreasonable".
I already answered to you in another comment about being an adult. Clearly they're not mature and reasonable. Doesn't mean either that other adults might actually be mature and reasonable. Individuals can be many things, not just one thing or another simple because of age.
It has to do more with what you learn, your environment and the specific experiences that you had as well as your outlook on life. So it is very relative and for that reason I wouldn't either automatically asume that someone that is older is not experienced and mature. Just each individual will be different, that's all.
Whatever the age, the question is if they're trying to find their way or if they seek help to find their way, many do not. So can we say they're lost and trying when they don't try? Can we say the main leads here, for example, are trying to find their way? I would say they're not. If they're not trying to find their way then what I'm seeing is presented as "is" rather than a journey to finding a path that makes them find their own voices and being comfortable in themselves, an internal peace and a healthy love.
Love can be reasonable and sane and it doesn't make everyone insane at all.
I wouldn't say that feelings and emotions are illogical or irrational or that even can't be the result of deep analysis. We need to stop assuming that being emotional, having feelings is an antonym of analysis, logical or rational thought.
In fact, accepting that you feel, that you have emotions and let you feel those emotions is a very rational, logical thought to me as a human being.
There simply isn't something as objective "perfection". Something being perfect is going to depend on the individual. Something that is perfect to me might not be to you, and that's completely fine. So I can't agree with you about there not being perfect characters for example. There are perfect characters to me that with their flaws and mistakes they are perfect to my eyes because they convey something that I regard as good as it can be. So the key if anything is finding your own perfection rather than looking for a standard perfection that society might have advertised to you as the culmination of humanity. So love can be about perfect characters, because you're not less perfect for having flaws, and you'll find someone that will see that perfection. But also without romanticising toxic behaviour as a flaw that needs to be accepted, whatever that toxic behaviour might look like, those are not flaws, they're problems.
Gyung Joon and Ri Yin have flaws and problems that they need to tackle, and certainly could be a reason for them to break up in the future, but couples like that tend to work for a while, even many years as One Ajhussi says. They'll have their ups and downs and one will promise to the other that they will change and so on. This is just very typical. In fact I would say of the relationships in the series theirs is the most realistic one so far.
Lack of communication is very common in relationships and to a certain level it's not even an impediment for the relationship to "work", but to a certain extent, you can easily cross the line when portraying these kind of things and then it just becomes unrealistic, like the main leads here. It's ok for a drama, but not one advertised as a realistic portrayal of people in their late 20s/early 30s.
I do agree with you Noy that I would also like more dramas where the individuals decide to heal on their own. I would also like to see growth, seek help as well if needed, and overall that if they're going to present an unhealthy relationship they make very clear it's not healthy.
I wouldn't say Jaewon is in love again, he is still attracted to her and the memories he had with her, he's clinging to the idea of what she was and he wants to believe that she is. That attraction is what is keeping him attached and interested (plus his stubborness and everything ponnu said) what makes it a pretty toxic relationship. He's giving her unwanted attention, even if deep down she wanted it her words still need to mean something. If she actually means the opposite of what she says then she has a problem in communicating in a healthy way what she wants (she clearly has this problem). By people giving her what she wants by acting the opposite of what she says they're only feeding into that unhealthy habit of hers.
They have such toxic dynamics and a massive lack of communication. That's not going to be solved in one night. If they do take the path of Jaewon "healing" her it's going to be terrible, he should start by helping himself first before he goes around trying to fix anyone else.
I also have the same feeling as you when it comes to GJ and RY and that's going to be a shame because as you say if they talk things through I think it could work out.
I'm really hoping they don't end up together.