Thanks for your detailed response! Here's my take on your points:Human Cruelty: You're right, history is full…
I do agree that there are some plotholes, maybe the webtoon is more clear about the specific rules, but in my opinion they don't really undermine the experience for me, and I don't think it makes the outcome too different. You also mentioned why wouldn't they make the coliving space the toilet place, but I also understand the psychology behind Number 1 of feeling useless and not too much help and rush to such decision to make the other people life easier and not be a freeloader; and from the perspective of the other players it is better that solution rather than stink the whole coliving space.
When the lower floors overthrow the higher floors, they wash their clothes. I think not buying new clothes with 8's money is a deliberate choice; they don't value having new clothes at all, because they don't care about their image, only their cleanliness to an extent.
Running on the steps doesn't give you extra time itself, it only gave them extra time because the viewers found it entertaining, when they realize that the counter is not going up at all while going up the stairs, they realize that they need to try other methods, they come with the idea of the "king game", and then it slowly develops to violent game; and in my opinion it develops very naturally into it.
Think about the Stanford prison experiment, they put random people into the role of prisoners and guards, without any criteria, and then very rapidly the ones playing guards started becoming violent and abusive with the "prisoners" just because they could. They had to cancel the experiment after a week because it was out of control; do you think all the "guards" had deeply psychological reasons to act like that?
I think you are very optimistic about human nature, but I truly believe that the reactions and way of thinking of the characters is not that far fetched. And if you think of it, from the 8 people, only 2 are truly evil and violent, but 2 people is enough to destabilize the whole group. We had 1 person that didn't have many morals but wasn't violent (4), and 4 reasonably good people, and I think it is well developed how most of these 4 peoples didn't want to be violent and do revenge.
In the Rhythm 0 experiment, where a woman placed several objects and said something like "I am an object you can do what you want with these other stuff"; people started timidly and also with kind gestures, but soon enough again they became abusive and extreme with her. Why? Because many people if there are no consequences they become brutal, in the drama there were no consequences and they got carried away, which is terrifying itself and I think it is what the series wantes to show us! That there might not be particular or deep reasons for a person to be horrible!
This show deserves much more than a 7.7 lol. The people that has rated this drama poorly is because they cannot stand violence and sadism, which is, if course, valid, but it is not an objective criteria for rating it so low. I hate musicals with my whole soul but I wouldn't say that all musicals are terrible because I simply do not like them and I cannot stand people singing instead of talking.
Of course the drama has its plotholes, and it does not explain who or how they did what they did to them, but that is not the point of the drama. The drama through the game/show portrays society, human behavior and how privileged people oppress middle and lower classes.
The people that says that human would not behave like that in such small scale needs a reality slap. Search the Jail Stanford experiment, Abu Ghraib prison, Guantamo Tortures. Nanjin Masacre, Rhythm 0 experimenr, to name a few examples.
Overall, very good drama with on point actors and satisfying ending in my opinion.
I think you really underestimate humans' enjoyment of torturing others lol. You really think something like that wouldn't happen? Then you are really really naive. Look at the American Soldiers in Abu Ghraib, Guantabamo, the Stanford Prison experiment, the Rhythm 0 experiment... The drama portrays exactly what would have happened in a situation like that point for point.
Poorer people didn't want to use their money to buy unnecessary stuff because they wanted to have as much money as possible, that is why they don't expend on "luxuries". The rules seems to imply that they cannot bring outside the stuff they buy inside the rooms either, as well as food and such. And you are right, maybe they could have buy a chicken and then kill it and cook it, but we are humans, once we start a routine we don't easily break up that routine and rely on what is expected and most of the show the people under control were under surveillance so when would have they done that without using their own money? They were trying to put up with everything until the end. Also is pretty much clear in the show that the expectors don't find naive entertainment as fun, so that is why it becomes progressively more extreme. Again: human nature and I repeat: there are so so many examples of these behaviors in real life.
But my guessing is that you are really young or you live under a rock.
This was quite enjoyable to watch just because the rhythm of the drama was really fast, and there were no boring parts, even tho it could be predictable and the acting sometimes was really meh.
When the lower floors overthrow the higher floors, they wash their clothes. I think not buying new clothes with 8's money is a deliberate choice; they don't value having new clothes at all, because they don't care about their image, only their cleanliness to an extent.
Running on the steps doesn't give you extra time itself, it only gave them extra time because the viewers found it entertaining, when they realize that the counter is not going up at all while going up the stairs, they realize that they need to try other methods, they come with the idea of the "king game", and then it slowly develops to violent game; and in my opinion it develops very naturally into it.
Think about the Stanford prison experiment, they put random people into the role of prisoners and guards, without any criteria, and then very rapidly the ones playing guards started becoming violent and abusive with the "prisoners" just because they could. They had to cancel the experiment after a week because it was out of control; do you think all the "guards" had deeply psychological reasons to act like that?
I think you are very optimistic about human nature, but I truly believe that the reactions and way of thinking of the characters is not that far fetched. And if you think of it, from the 8 people, only 2 are truly evil and violent, but 2 people is enough to destabilize the whole group. We had 1 person that didn't have many morals but wasn't violent (4), and 4 reasonably good people, and I think it is well developed how most of these 4 peoples didn't want to be violent and do revenge.
In the Rhythm 0 experiment, where a woman placed several objects and said something like "I am an object you can do what you want with these other stuff"; people started timidly and also with kind gestures, but soon enough again they became abusive and extreme with her. Why? Because many people if there are no consequences they become brutal, in the drama there were no consequences and they got carried away, which is terrifying itself and I think it is what the series wantes to show us! That there might not be particular or deep reasons for a person to be horrible!
Of course the drama has its plotholes, and it does not explain who or how they did what they did to them, but that is not the point of the drama. The drama through the game/show portrays society, human behavior and how privileged people oppress middle and lower classes.
The people that says that human would not behave like that in such small scale needs a reality slap. Search the Jail Stanford experiment, Abu Ghraib prison, Guantamo Tortures. Nanjin Masacre, Rhythm 0 experimenr, to name a few examples.
Overall, very good drama with on point actors and satisfying ending in my opinion.
Poorer people didn't want to use their money to buy unnecessary stuff because they wanted to have as much money as possible, that is why they don't expend on "luxuries". The rules seems to imply that they cannot bring outside the stuff they buy inside the rooms either, as well as food and such. And you are right, maybe they could have buy a chicken and then kill it and cook it, but we are humans, once we start a routine we don't easily break up that routine and rely on what is expected and most of the show the people under control were under surveillance so when would have they done that without using their own money? They were trying to put up with everything until the end.
Also is pretty much clear in the show that the expectors don't find naive entertainment as fun, so that is why it becomes progressively more extreme. Again: human nature and I repeat: there are so so many examples of these behaviors in real life.
But my guessing is that you are really young or you live under a rock.