It was a shock that he decided to murder his lover just because he ignored him in front of his fiance and parents…
Please read my other reply above. I wrote that if all American men were jailed, the murder rate would go down by 99%, and that's damn near true.
But what you and White Rose seem to suggest only supports MY opinion that what drove Su Min to attempt to have the jerk killed was not his love for him, it was his RAGE. I don't know where you live but if you have a dominant media culture driving the idea these murders come out of "love," your country is very sick. I am NOT "justifying" what Su Min did, I am explaining his motivations, which is NOT the same as condoning them.
And yes, in this case I do believe that Su Min loves the jerk. He loves him very much. He also hated him for what he was doing, and allowed his rage to overcome that love. People can and do hold multiple, even contradictory feelings simultaneously. This story has layers on layers. It's too bad you missed them.
Again, and this is another habit on MDL, portraying a horrible action or choice is a film is not automatically condoning it or approving of it in some way. Su Min will have all kinds of problems to clean up after this episode. And the boyfriend will help him, testify for him, and if he goes to jail for a while, he will wait for him. That is what the crotch grab is all about and why they both smile at the ridiculousness of it all.
It was a shock that he decided to murder his lover just because he ignored him in front of his fiance and parents…
OK, as to all your insults and psychiatric evaluations, kiss my a**. If I bring anger and paranoia here, it can also be said that you bring stupidity. With that out of the way, you seem to have forgotten the car crashed into an electrical pole. So you are saying the cop would think the dudes in the car crashed the car into the pole in full view on the side of the road to make out or f**k. hahahahahahaha
It was a shock that he decided to murder his lover just because he ignored him in front of his fiance and parents…
This film is not about YOU and what YOU would do. It is about the characters in the movie and the choices THEY made. It is not LOVE that drove Lee Su Min to try to have Song Jae Min murdered; it was betrayal and RAGE that overtook his better angels.
This happens all the time, and it is almost always men. They feel wronged when a lover dumps them and that leads to murder all too often. If all American men were imprisoned for a month, the murder rate would go down 99%.
This is a mistake I see over and over here on MDL. People say "oh, I would never do that...blah blah blah." OK fine, the movie isn't about you and you choices.
OK, I'll try: What is it, precisely, about the FL you don't like? You have every right to dislike her, but your above comment begs this question. If you posted the comment as an exercise in trolling, that's fine too.
Man Japan and their never ending infidelity, I honestly disliked the wife for cheating and the audacity of her…
Far weirder shit goes down every day all over the world than ever makes it into movies. There are far weirder people all over the world than perhaps you'd ever imagine.
Despite some bad acting here and there and a low budget, I found this film to be creatively, stylishly produced, and nicely straightforward about its subject matter. There is one directorial/editing choice about halfway in that I would have made differently, but it didn't wreck the watch for me.
I was moved to tears at several points. The acting from the MC is effective and moving. That from the rest of the cast is...spotty but not enough so to get in the way of the film's message. Overall, this makes a powerful anti-drug statement without ever seeming preachy.
Well done. Recommended. 8/10 (I'm giving it a break because it's far better than it has a right to be, given budget limitations.)
It is... well, it may feel out of place, but yes, indeed, this is produces by a pxxnographic company and director,…
Actually, it doesn't make any sense at all. Despite some bad acting here and there, and an obviously low budget, I found this film to be creatively, stylishly produced and nicely straightforward about its subject matter.
Just because the company makes porno films doesn't mean there's some requirement that a porn scene be stuck into any non-porn film it makes. I think it was a bad directorial choice, as the same effect could have been produced without throwing me completely out of the story, as did the technique used.
this is real porn. the person with wings tattoo is actually porn actor.
lol If you think this is "real porn," you are watching really bad porn. Nauriya.
Out of 61 minutes, this film contains about 40 seconds of "real porn." My problem with that is not that it's "offensive," but that it distracts from the plot and brutally interrupts the storytelling to that point. It's as if a snippet of poorly-made gay porn somehow inserted itself into the finished product.
Are you a fan of the wings-tattooed porn star and recognized him from your online fap sessions?
Yeah I thought the same until ep 9 where it became undeniable they might not feel comfortable kissing, not even…
Wasn't it in ep 7 that we got a full-on, for-real smooch that was significantly more than the usual Chinese, dead fish stuff? It was either 7 or 8. Either way, I noticed too that they seemed to pull back a bit in 9.
It was a shock that he decided to murder his lover just because he ignored him in front of his fiance and parents…
lol...wtf? Are you serious? A police officer is going to walk away from two badly injured people in a wrecked car he just found because one of them grabbed the other's crotch? Where do you live that a cop would do such a thing?
Pro tip: The crotch grab is a tender gesture of forgiveness, a sign of affection, and a signal that he can't wait for the two of them to get back in the sack. It's sweet, crazy, and hilarious.
And what makes you think they are "going to die?" Neither one is fatally injured. What you're actually doing here is projecting your typical, MDL, self-righteous, black/white sense of morality onto a movie ending that is the opposite of what you are pretending you see on the screen.
The cops is not going to walk away. The cop is going to call an ambulance and a tow truck. There will be hospitalizations and recovery, followed by the lovers having to come up with some story to cover for what really went down. Then they will run away together and have a great gay life.
This movie wasn't made for people like you. Forget you ever saw it.
It was a shock that he decided to murder his lover just because he ignored him in front of his fiance and parents…
There are a large number of murders taking place on a daily basis in your country because lots of people are jilting their gay lovers at the last minute to marry their straight beards they never told their gay lovers about? lol Yeah...sure.
The only thing not working for me at this point is the Liu/Tan Yin thing. I don't sense any chemistry there, and don't buy that the sensible Liu would be attracted to the child-like, Cupie-Doll TY. It made sense while Liu was subconsciously seeing his brother in TY, but with that put to rest, there's nothing left that I can see for Liu to be so wrapped up in.
Age gaps don't bother me, but if there is a significant one to overcome, there has to be a powerful, core attraction driving things. I don't see that here. I don't get a pedo (a term wildly overused and misunderstood on MDL) vibe from them; I get an "ummm...but why?" vibe.
Before moving on to watch episode 9 tonight, I want to remark on the beautifully-acted scene about 3/4 of the way through episode 8 where our MC is out on a cold evening stroll. Beginning from their convo on the park bench and onward, the acting and the feels are deeply moving. Their dialogue and actions are realistically unhurried and spontaneous; there is that wonderful sense of being privy to a private conversation, the magic that is captured all too infrequently in live-action fiction, especially BLs, in which I often feel I'm being acted AT.
The bit with QX moving slowly, gently in for what I assumed was going to be a kiss but which turned into a gentle, tender nuzzling of QL's neck and cheek was especially effecting and brought tears to my eyes. Given that we'd already seen they're not afraid of enacting a true kiss between their characters, this charming bait-and-switch came off as far more romantic and emotional than a kiss might have been.
Wanted to throw that out there. Their bit with parting ways at the end of their walk was perfect too.
Don't worry about arbitrary categories and definitions. This is a unique and mostly well-told story, especially after episode 3, so just dive in and enjoy!
A better choice for the ending would have eliminated the last bit under the bridge.
That said, and all else considered, highly recommended.
Terrance Lau is a terrific actor. Excellent work here. His performance is better than the movie as a whole. He is likeable on sight here. I took note of him opposite Fandy Fan in "A Balloon's Landing," and he lives up to first impressions. Cecelia Choi does fine work here as well. Her characterizations are entirely distinct from each other and crucial to making the story work.
A few unlikely plot devices, but nothing I can't overlook.
Why do you believe a mental disorder with a physical cause (by the way, can you provide a link of two to this "enzyme imbalance" theory? Thanks.) is nonetheless, a mental disorder? Clinical depression is often caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. It too, is a mental disorder; as are bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, PTSD, borderline personality disorder, and many more.
It is wonderful that your father, your brother, and you have adopted a perspective on your mental disorders that emphasizes the positive, which makes a lot of sense. I have wrestled with clinical depression all my life and am accomplished in numerous creative fields. I believe my depressive nature is linked to my creativity, as it seems to be in so many others I know. That doesn't mean my depression is not a disorder, but as you describe the choices you and your family have made, I treat the negatives and make the most of the positives.
And I agree...if being one hundred percent free of depression came at the cost of losing my creativity, I would choose to stay depressed.
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But what you and White Rose seem to suggest only supports MY opinion that what drove Su Min to attempt to have the jerk killed was not his love for him, it was his RAGE. I don't know where you live but if you have a dominant media culture driving the idea these murders come out of "love," your country is very sick. I am NOT "justifying" what Su Min did, I am explaining his motivations, which is NOT the same as condoning them.
And yes, in this case I do believe that Su Min loves the jerk. He loves him very much. He also hated him for what he was doing, and allowed his rage to overcome that love. People can and do hold multiple, even contradictory feelings simultaneously. This story has layers on layers. It's too bad you missed them.
Again, and this is another habit on MDL, portraying a horrible action or choice is a film is not automatically condoning it or approving of it in some way. Su Min will have all kinds of problems to clean up after this episode. And the boyfriend will help him, testify for him, and if he goes to jail for a while, he will wait for him. That is what the crotch grab is all about and why they both smile at the ridiculousness of it all.
People are complicated.
With that out of the way, you seem to have forgotten the car crashed into an electrical pole. So you are saying the cop would think the dudes in the car crashed the car into the pole in full view on the side of the road to make out or f**k. hahahahahahaha
This happens all the time, and it is almost always men. They feel wronged when a lover dumps them and that leads to murder all too often. If all American men were imprisoned for a month, the murder rate would go down 99%.
This is a mistake I see over and over here on MDL. People say "oh, I would never do that...blah blah blah." OK fine, the movie isn't about you and you choices.
"...sugarcoat their xenophobia..." lol
I was moved to tears at several points. The acting from the MC is effective and moving. That from the rest of the cast is...spotty but not enough so to get in the way of the film's message. Overall, this makes a powerful anti-drug statement without ever seeming preachy.
Well done.
Recommended.
8/10 (I'm giving it a break because it's far better than it has a right to be, given budget limitations.)
Just because the company makes porno films doesn't mean there's some requirement that a porn scene be stuck into any non-porn film it makes. I think it was a bad directorial choice, as the same effect could have been produced without throwing me completely out of the story, as did the technique used.
Out of 61 minutes, this film contains about 40 seconds of "real porn." My problem with that is not that it's "offensive," but that it distracts from the plot and brutally interrupts the storytelling to that point. It's as if a snippet of poorly-made gay porn somehow inserted itself into the finished product.
Are you a fan of the wings-tattooed porn star and recognized him from your online fap sessions?
Pro tip: The crotch grab is a tender gesture of forgiveness, a sign of affection, and a signal that he can't wait for the two of them to get back in the sack. It's sweet, crazy, and hilarious.
And what makes you think they are "going to die?" Neither one is fatally injured. What you're actually doing here is projecting your typical, MDL, self-righteous, black/white sense of morality onto a movie ending that is the opposite of what you are pretending you see on the screen.
The cops is not going to walk away. The cop is going to call an ambulance and a tow truck. There will be hospitalizations and recovery, followed by the lovers having to come up with some story to cover for what really went down. Then they will run away together and have a great gay life.
This movie wasn't made for people like you. Forget you ever saw it.
The only thing not working for me at this point is the Liu/Tan Yin thing. I don't sense any chemistry there, and don't buy that the sensible Liu would be attracted to the child-like, Cupie-Doll TY. It made sense while Liu was subconsciously seeing his brother in TY, but with that put to rest, there's nothing left that I can see for Liu to be so wrapped up in.
Age gaps don't bother me, but if there is a significant one to overcome, there has to be a powerful, core attraction driving things. I don't see that here. I don't get a pedo (a term wildly overused and misunderstood on MDL) vibe from them; I get an "ummm...but why?" vibe.
The bit with QX moving slowly, gently in for what I assumed was going to be a kiss but which turned into a gentle, tender nuzzling of QL's neck and cheek was especially effecting and brought tears to my eyes. Given that we'd already seen they're not afraid of enacting a true kiss between their characters, this charming bait-and-switch came off as far more romantic and emotional than a kiss might have been.
Wanted to throw that out there. Their bit with parting ways at the end of their walk was perfect too.
That said, and all else considered, highly recommended.
Terrance Lau is a terrific actor. Excellent work here. His performance is better than the movie as a whole. He is likeable on sight here. I took note of him opposite Fandy Fan in "A Balloon's Landing," and he lives up to first impressions.
Cecelia Choi does fine work here as well. Her characterizations are entirely distinct from each other and crucial to making the story work.
A few unlikely plot devices, but nothing I can't overlook.
8.5/10
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/mental-health-schizophrenia
There are a hundred other similar links online.
Why do you believe a mental disorder with a physical cause (by the way, can you provide a link of two to this "enzyme imbalance" theory? Thanks.) is nonetheless, a mental disorder?
Clinical depression is often caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. It too, is a mental disorder; as are bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, PTSD, borderline personality disorder, and many more.
It is wonderful that your father, your brother, and you have adopted a perspective on your mental disorders that emphasizes the positive, which makes a lot of sense. I have wrestled with clinical depression all my life and am accomplished in numerous creative fields. I believe my depressive nature is linked to my creativity, as it seems to be in so many others I know. That doesn't mean my depression is not a disorder, but as you describe the choices you and your family have made, I treat the negatives and make the most of the positives.
And I agree...if being one hundred percent free of depression came at the cost of losing my creativity, I would choose to stay depressed.
Have you ever seen the American film "A Beautiful Mind?" I think you would find much in it to admire and relate to.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_a%2520beautiful%2520mind
https://fsharetv.co/movie/a-beautiful-mind-episode-1-tt0268978