Jae min needs to sort his shit . He cannot hurt nami like that. Like why would you listen to anyone and specially…
Well, because he wants a job. Not weird at all.
HOWEVER, he was not honest with Nami about why he was ending things, which is what always pisses me off in terribly unoriginal BLs like this, that use this ancient trope to create conflict. Jaemin could have said "Nami, that bitch is in love with you, she said she'll spread the news about our relationship and I can't have that because I need a job. Help me sort this out..." But no, the trope requires that you remain silent. So stupid.
I agree with you, Choi Jae Min has exhibited absolutely insecure behavior throughout all 4 episodes, but the reason…
I get what you're saying about "saving face," but in this case I think it's more about the need for a male, especially in Korea, to make at least as much $$$ as his partner, be they male or female. It's a stupid, butch, my masculinity-is-threatened thing that is rampant here in the U.S. too.
To me, Jaemin used Nami's wealth as an EXCUSE to do what he did, but for other reasons, which have to do with the bitch's message. I think he's more worried about people finding out he's gay than he is about not being as rich as Nami. From the beginning, it's been obvious he is not comfortable with his sexuality, especially PDAs with a boyfriend. Either way, it's all a lazy trope upon trope upon trope we've seen many times before.
It's a dude lying to his lover about why he's dumping him. How many times have we seen that trope in BL World?
End of episode 4: Yeah...no, I can't really get on board with this one, and it's going to be hard to rate. This show was well-made, acted, filmed, and directed. If I had watched this four years ago, when I was just discovering BL and Asian gay cinema, I would probably rate it 9/10 or 9.5/10. Unfortunately, I have, over the last four years, watched pretty much every BL in existence. I have seen this exact plot acted out fifty times before. I have seen it in bad shows and also in really good ones. But here it is AGAIN. There is nothing original whatsoever, in this story or the way it was told.
The capper, of course, was the "I'm going to hurt you/me now by ending things, but I'm not going to be honest about WHY I'm doing it" trope. Which is closely related to the "I'm going to break up with you and emotionally devastate you now, to prevent you being emotionally devastated later, and oh by the way, I'm not going to tell you WHY."
Of course, perhaps most trope-ish of all was the evil bitch who lowered the boom here. I don't really have a problem with that kind of character in BLs or anywhere else, IF there is something unique about the character's bitchiness and how she expresses it. Nothing new here, though I did want to slap her so I guess her acting was spot-on.
However, it is extremely lame that after THREE years of getting nowhere with her crush, she is going to do what she did so...what? She can spend three MORE years getting nowhere? I don't buy it. Although...there ARE mean people IRL who would do the same thing just to be mean. But again...no originality here.
The problem here is the story/writing. IRL the thing to do is to honestly tell your significant other what just happened and what you are thinking, so a discussion can be had. If, after the discussion, you still feel the same way, then go ahead and take the course you were on. But it is incredibly insulting and disrespectful to your lover to make a final choice like that without having the decency to tell them WHY and give them an opportunity to respond.
OK, so the writer wanted this ending. So write me a screenplay that SHOWS WHY this character is doing this, and come up with an original reason they can't be forthright and honest about it.
Enough. Great series. Seen it fifty times before. Writers have seen it too, in other BLs, but they took the lazy route. If this is based on a manhwa, choose a different manhwa or change the story from its original form to insert some surprises. No one bothered. Yeah, for all of the above reasons, this is an average BL.
I have not watched other dramas of her, but watching Producers (before I dropped it), she had this pissed and…
Pretty sure she's just not a very good actor, though she does well in a couple scenes near the end of this series. She keeps getting cast because she's well-known as a former Kpop idol, certainly not for her wide range of acting talents.
Maybe you should take your poor, "triggered" self to some other, bland show in which all characters display exemplary…
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here it is again...unable to simply ignore a reply from someone it claims to find so annoying. lol One of the last things I need is advice from a person such as yourself. Some of us like to use our minds, no rest required. I'm sure you're unable to relate to that though.
lord god, this is terrible. I'm out before the end of the first episode, not because of the subject matter, which could be erotic and hilarious in the hands of far better writers, directors, actors, and producers, but because it is TERRIBLE.
Nevertheless, I'm glad this show exists to upset the usual Church Ladies, Little Girls, and Prudes here on MDL who freak out in reaction to sex, kink, youth, bad relationships, threesomes, bisexuality, and all the other fun things in life that upset them...even as they watch such shows from beginning to end.
What's up with that bizarrely, even lecherously evil, trans teacher? Her perspectives on sex and her leering, nasty vibe as she obsessed over the very thing she claimed to be against, surely was based on a certain type of MDL membership which tends to dominate discussion on the pages of shows like this. :)
Maybe you should take your poor, "triggered" self to some other, bland show in which all characters display exemplary…
How odd. "Wasting my time..." How about the option of not replying to me? Did that even occur to you? For a whole week someone's been putting a gun to your head and forcing you to respond to my comments? How bizarre and, also lame.
And ummm, no...you didn't come up with "toxic" and "npc" on your own, little one. One's an SjW buzzword and the other's a trendy Internet slang word. How amusingly sad that you chose to lie about that.
isn't it because they are children being put into sexual scenarios? the director of this shit is the same of "make…
"Children" are pre-pubescent humans, and there is not ONE of those in this cast. I love "Make It Right." Please understand that the "rape" Ohm enacted was part of a fictional, live-action story. It didn't really, actually happen. Sometimes, unpleasant things happen IRL and no one comes unglued about it. Except you. Ohm's victim thoroughly enjoyed himself, as his little smiles in the shower and at the doctor's office showed. You might consider actually WATCHING instead of taking notes for your SJW club meeting.
I've noticed that any BL that gets a little "too sexy" gets backleash here in MDL. People need to get a . life.…
Bravo. MDL is ruled by 20 year old Prudish Western Church Ladies, who make up more than 25% of its membership. That's the problem with all the hysterical sex-phobia here. The comment just above yours is a great example.
did I read somewhere that Matteo (Alan is Muslim) and his family disowned him?
I don't know, why don't you answer that question for yourself and then post a link to the supporting information from a reliable source, rather than deliberately spreading malicious gossip with zero credibility?
I dont trust anyone's judgement who insults and down grades other peoples opinions about a show after watching…
"Entitled..." lol
Work on being responsible for your own feelings. Also work on reading comprehension. I did not compare Nazis to a TV show, but I'm not surprised that's how you took it. What part of " Let's just do this with an extreme example to make the point:" do you not understand? And of course, you didn't address the question: Are pro-Nazi views/opinions "valid and to be respected" or not?
You said: "EVERYONES OPINIONS ARE VALID." Admit that you are wrong. The opinions of people who think "Bad Buddy" is a "masterpiece" are not valid on their face because they distort reality.
Also, MY OPINION that "Bad Buddy" lovers' opinions are invalid, IS VALID BECAUSE IT'S MY OPINION, right? Isn't that your position? If a BB lover wants to "feel" insulted and hurt and all, that's on them. I'm deeply wounded and hurt that you're being mean to me in your above replies and I think you should stop before I report you to admins, OK?
Cause, like, discussions and disagreements are all about being "polite," right? And you've insulted me numerous times above. Play by your own rules.
It's hilarious that you still haven't blocked me. Oh...and your guesstimation of my friends total is laughably low. I'm telling you, I speak for the silent majority here. :D
I dont trust anyone's judgement who insults and down grades other peoples opinions about a show after watching…
" I do have an issue with you trying to make random viewers feel bad about enjoying it. 😉 that's not cool"
How many times do I have to repeat that I don't care what issues you have with my writing style? I write the way I write because I enjoy it, and it has developed over time. It's great you hate it. I don't care. It's not going to change.
Also, I repeat: I am not responsible for other people's "feelings." That is their issue. And I am not "trying" to make anyone "feel bad" about enjoying it. I'm expressing my opinion. How they react to it is their choice. There are way too many babies on this site who think they deserve to be protected from every negative vibe or disagreement in life. That's not cool.
Everything I wrote about the "Friends Magnet" badges and my number of friends here was written tongue in cheek, as well as to illustrate how many people here feel just as I do but are too intimidated by the Rudeness Police to write what they think and post it. So, in a way, I do it for them. Just a fact. The fact you picked up on none of that, despite the "tone" I wrote it in being VERY "tongue in cheek says a lot about your reading comprehension.
Not ALL opinions are valid. Not ALL opinions are worthy of respect. Let's just do this with an extreme example to make the point: Hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, around the world are of the opinion that the Nazis were justified and correct in their attempted annihilation of the Jews during World War 2. Do you "respect" that opinion? Is it "valid?"
So, zero respect for the opinions of people who like this show and other BL monstrosities such as "Bad Buddy." Why do you care? Go ahead and respect and validate them. I'm not stopping you.
Consider giving up on controlling how others express their opinions. You are not the Politeness Police.
The information available in eps 1-4 never pointed to "only gay for you" trope. You would have to make a lot of…
lol omg...you ARE a parody of a Queer Studies Doctoral Degree candidate. BTW, you write like a robot built in a Queer Studies laboratory somewhere, maybe MIT in Boston, America?
The information available in eps 1-4 never pointed to "only gay for you" trope. You would have to make a lot of…
Wow, you're great at math. Thanks for repeating what I already said.
So let's see...in a drama featuring TWO MCs who are the focus of the entire plot, you still need to see gay couples "in the background" to shore up your insecurities. Got it.
There have been several straight characters (the girl, the restaurant owner, Jinwoo's dad) who are very gay-supportive. Plus, the young woman who was after Jinwoo spoke of once liking another woman. Does any of that help? lol
HOWEVER, he was not honest with Nami about why he was ending things, which is what always pisses me off in terribly unoriginal BLs like this, that use this ancient trope to create conflict. Jaemin could have said "Nami, that bitch is in love with you, she said she'll spread the news about our relationship and I can't have that because I need a job. Help me sort this out..." But no, the trope requires that you remain silent. So stupid.
To me, Jaemin used Nami's wealth as an EXCUSE to do what he did, but for other reasons, which have to do with the bitch's message. I think he's more worried about people finding out he's gay than he is about not being as rich as Nami. From the beginning, it's been obvious he is not comfortable with his sexuality, especially PDAs with a boyfriend. Either way, it's all a lazy trope upon trope upon trope we've seen many times before.
It's a dude lying to his lover about why he's dumping him. How many times have we seen that trope in BL World?
Yeah...no, I can't really get on board with this one, and it's going to be hard to rate.
This show was well-made, acted, filmed, and directed. If I had watched this four years ago, when I was just discovering BL and Asian gay cinema, I would probably rate it 9/10 or 9.5/10.
Unfortunately, I have, over the last four years, watched pretty much every BL in existence. I have seen this exact plot acted out fifty times before. I have seen it in bad shows and also in really good ones. But here it is AGAIN. There is nothing original whatsoever, in this story or the way it was told.
The capper, of course, was the "I'm going to hurt you/me now by ending things, but I'm not going to be honest about WHY I'm doing it" trope. Which is closely related to the "I'm going to break up with you and emotionally devastate you now, to prevent you being emotionally devastated later, and oh by the way, I'm not going to tell you WHY."
Of course, perhaps most trope-ish of all was the evil bitch who lowered the boom here. I don't really have a problem with that kind of character in BLs or anywhere else, IF there is something unique about the character's bitchiness and how she expresses it. Nothing new here, though I did want to slap her so I guess her acting was spot-on.
However, it is extremely lame that after THREE years of getting nowhere with her crush, she is going to do what she did so...what? She can spend three MORE years getting nowhere? I don't buy it. Although...there ARE mean people IRL who would do the same thing just to be mean. But again...no originality here.
The problem here is the story/writing. IRL the thing to do is to honestly tell your significant other what just happened and what you are thinking, so a discussion can be had. If, after the discussion, you still feel the same way, then go ahead and take the course you were on. But it is incredibly insulting and disrespectful to your lover to make a final choice like that without having the decency to tell them WHY and give them an opportunity to respond.
OK, so the writer wanted this ending. So write me a screenplay that SHOWS WHY this character is doing this, and come up with an original reason they can't be forthright and honest about it.
Enough. Great series. Seen it fifty times before. Writers have seen it too, in other BLs, but they took the lazy route. If this is based on a manhwa, choose a different manhwa or change the story from its original form to insert some surprises. No one bothered. Yeah, for all of the above reasons, this is an average BL.
7/10
One of the last things I need is advice from a person such as yourself.
Some of us like to use our minds, no rest required. I'm sure you're unable to relate to that though.
I await your next response...
Nevertheless, I'm glad this show exists to upset the usual Church Ladies, Little Girls, and Prudes here on MDL who freak out in reaction to sex, kink, youth, bad relationships, threesomes, bisexuality, and all the other fun things in life that upset them...even as they watch such shows from beginning to end.
What's up with that bizarrely, even lecherously evil, trans teacher? Her perspectives on sex and her leering, nasty vibe as she obsessed over the very thing she claimed to be against, surely was based on a certain type of MDL membership which tends to dominate discussion on the pages of shows like this. :)
1/10
And ummm, no...you didn't come up with "toxic" and "npc" on your own, little one. One's an SjW buzzword and the other's a trendy Internet slang word. How amusingly sad that you chose to lie about that.
I love "Make It Right."
Please understand that the "rape" Ohm enacted was part of a fictional, live-action story. It didn't really, actually happen. Sometimes, unpleasant things happen IRL and no one comes unglued about it. Except you.
Ohm's victim thoroughly enjoyed himself, as his little smiles in the shower and at the doctor's office showed. You might consider actually WATCHING instead of taking notes for your SJW club meeting.
Work on being responsible for your own feelings.
Also work on reading comprehension. I did not compare Nazis to a TV show, but I'm not surprised that's how you took it. What part of " Let's just do this with an extreme example to make the point:" do you not understand? And of course, you didn't address the question: Are pro-Nazi views/opinions "valid and to be respected" or not?
You said: "EVERYONES OPINIONS ARE VALID." Admit that you are wrong. The opinions of people who think "Bad Buddy" is a "masterpiece" are not valid on their face because they distort reality.
Also, MY OPINION that "Bad Buddy" lovers' opinions are invalid, IS VALID BECAUSE IT'S MY OPINION, right? Isn't that your position? If a BB lover wants to "feel" insulted and hurt and all, that's on them. I'm deeply wounded and hurt that you're being mean to me in your above replies and I think you should stop before I report you to admins, OK?
Cause, like, discussions and disagreements are all about being "polite," right? And you've insulted me numerous times above. Play by your own rules.
It's hilarious that you still haven't blocked me. Oh...and your guesstimation of my friends total is laughably low. I'm telling you, I speak for the silent majority here. :D
How many times do I have to repeat that I don't care what issues you have with my writing style? I write the way I write because I enjoy it, and it has developed over time. It's great you hate it. I don't care. It's not going to change.
Also, I repeat: I am not responsible for other people's "feelings." That is their issue. And I am not "trying" to make anyone "feel bad" about enjoying it. I'm expressing my opinion. How they react to it is their choice. There are way too many babies on this site who think they deserve to be protected from every negative vibe or disagreement in life. That's not cool.
Everything I wrote about the "Friends Magnet" badges and my number of friends here was written tongue in cheek, as well as to illustrate how many people here feel just as I do but are too intimidated by the Rudeness Police to write what they think and post it. So, in a way, I do it for them. Just a fact. The fact you picked up on none of that, despite the "tone" I wrote it in being VERY "tongue in cheek says a lot about your reading comprehension.
Not ALL opinions are valid. Not ALL opinions are worthy of respect. Let's just do this with an extreme example to make the point: Hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, around the world are of the opinion that the Nazis were justified and correct in their attempted annihilation of the Jews during World War 2. Do you "respect" that opinion? Is it "valid?"
So, zero respect for the opinions of people who like this show and other BL monstrosities such as "Bad Buddy." Why do you care? Go ahead and respect and validate them. I'm not stopping you.
Consider giving up on controlling how others express their opinions. You are not the Politeness Police.
So let's see...in a drama featuring TWO MCs who are the focus of the entire plot, you still need to see gay couples "in the background" to shore up your insecurities. Got it.
There have been several straight characters (the girl, the restaurant owner, Jinwoo's dad) who are very gay-supportive. Plus, the young woman who was after Jinwoo spoke of once liking another woman. Does any of that help? lol