JohnGotti

I'm just the opposite, I thought season 1 was just ok and did not like season 2. You are correct, a lot of things don't make sense, especially between S1 and S2. I felt it was disjointed between the seasons. The plots changed and so did the main characters (without enough explanation). However, it's become all too often in Philippine BLs that the mains "don't get together in the end. It feels at times that the production company just wants to tease the audience. There are a few exceptions, however.

I actually think they do see that the plot is "wobbly." I just think they're giving the audience "what they think the audience wants:" 1) Phuak getting what the audience thinks she deserves; 2) A way of downplaying assault, and sexual assault; and 3) a way to bring Than and Neung together. Basically, IMO, it's a messed-up BL series.

That's the toxicity that we've all been talking about. Crazy isn't it!!

True. But, there are also many, many ideal relationships in the world also. Raf, has a point. Why can't there be more BLs that have good relationships, instead of toxic ones?

Yeah. I forgot about him...

Agreed. However, I think it's really creepy how Phupha knows so much about him, as well as always knowing where he is, like a stalker.

I hear ya! LMBO!

Interesting point!

Agreed. The entertainment value IS subjective. I also agree that the manipulations and interwoven natures may happen very similarly in real human environments. And as for the "omniscient lens," sometimes "are" exactly as they appear, meaning if it looks complex, it just might be complex. But, I see your point and I stand duly informed.

Probably unlike many of you, I think this series is becoming to clouded with the manipulations, deceptions, misunderstandings, etc. This is causing, IMO, for the series to really drag and get drawn out. There's not a single relationship in this series that isn't having issues. From an entertainment standpoint, it's not very interesting. I would guess that the final episodes will miraculously resolve the major relationships, Wayu/Thana/Pa and Kit/Mark??? And what of the other relationships, Tong/Pok, Phai/Thana/Sandee, Jack/Koh, etc.? Basically, there's just way too much going on in this series at the same time. If there's a Gen Y 3, maybe the series needs to focus on fewer relationships.

You're right some of the tropes are denounced (I used the word debunked). I would agree that it's a personality trait. However, traits can also be tropes when overly used -- and they are in a few BLs (however, it could also be cultural). It's common in BLs (and in other dramas, too) that the more physically sized character seems to be victorious over the smaller sized character. I agree with you about the female characteristic. That was an inappropriate choice of words and I apologize -- I stand corrected.

Agreed! LOL I'll put them in the spoiler section, in case others who haven't seen the series is influenced. The tropes in Bad Buddy were a lot less subtle than in other BLs. But, here are just some of them: 1) the hubby and wife trope (although not as pronounced); 2) the momma's boy trope with Pran; 3) the two university faculties fighting (one always being Engineering) trope, and 4) the smaller person (Pran) always losing the battle trope. Also, the later eps clearly showed a tendency for Pran to take on more "female" characteristics, although it too was subtle. In the novel, Pran was the bottom first. But, the producers and director kind of shied away from that interpretation of the novel, which, IMO, was a good thing.

Deal! If you can give me a good reason on the plot and I will! LMBO!

Although we had a "time" jump in the final episode, I was kind of glad how the series ended. I think it was a surprise to most folks, too. And, although there's no definitive word on whether they'll even consider a season 2, at least the door was left open to explore the possibility in the future.

Now, as for rating the series, the story wasn't all that great. It did perpetuate a few of the old tropes, while trying to debunk a few others. IMO, it was the chemistry and talent of mains that carried this series through. And, sometimes that enough! Therefore, I'd have to give it an overall rating of 9.0 (taking off a point for the plot).

I'm not really sure how I feel about this ep???? Since it is a BL dramedy, I guess what we saw should have been expected. The series is drawing out this love/hate relationship with Maze/Phap just a bit much (especially considering they've had at least two one-night stands). Now, they've thrown in the petty jealousy, the misunderstanding, the game playing, etc. Yes, it makes for good drama. But, enough is enough! It's time to get on with the resolution of this story. I'm starting to get bored.

Hmmm! Interesting! Agreed! What other word(s) would you suggest?

Good point!

True. But, Phap did go to the university. To ruin a wedding over a roach is still a bit much. LMBO 🤣. However, I see your point and agree.

Interesting analysis. I've heard in the novel, Pran is the bottom (at least in the beginning) with him asserting himself in the end to be the top. The novel is the typical "stereotypical" BL in which all the things you mentioned are included: the top being the bigger (larger) person, the bottom being a "moma's boy," and the top being called the hubby, while the bottom is called the wifey (I hate that terminology by the way).

For the most part, this series shied away from the "top/bottom" "hubby/wifey" stereotype until the last couple of eps. In the novel, it's apparent. But, since the producers and director kind of strayed a little from the novel, I kind of hoped they would've kept on straying and make Pran and Pat's a more "equal." Unfortunately, that is a common theme in BLs. I personally think that the folks writing these BLs (mostly women) were trying to mimic a hetero-sexual relationship, utilizing two boys (one having the traditional male role, and the other having the traditional female role).

Yes, there are gay males who prefer to "bottom," but that is certainly NOT the majority. And of those males who prefer to "bottom" acknowledge they also like to "top" occasionally. According to statistics, a majority of gay males report being "versatile," which would logically make sense. Most of my gay friends report the same.

I would also guess that the female writers of these BLs probably want males to experience the indignity that females face in cultures dominated by males. What a perfect way to show how females are treated than to put males in similar situations. I'm not so sure about the male writers of BLs; but then again, I don't think there are that many.

Finally, not all males, who prefer to bottom, are smaller, effeminate, displays a girlish demeanor, or automatically knows how to cook and keep house. Some of these males are big, messy, athletic-jock types who couldn't boil water. Just one person's opinion.

Some of things Phap does is not cool. If he really cares for Maze, then why keep doing things that could jeopardize his business, even if he is a free spirit. Although it's comical, at times it's still toxic.