As of 8 January 2025, over 47,000 people – 45,936 Palestinian and 1,706 Israeli – have been reported killed…
Ah sorry I was starting the list by actively looking for revenge killings because I meant the phrase "For everyPalestinian killing an Israeli, you will find an Israeli killing a Palestinian" like literaly. I should have elaborated on that more, my apologies, I got side tracked. I just feel like every violence gets answered by more violence but also that the number of casualties is higher on the palestinian side. Theres also a power imbalance since Israel and their Military is literaly backed by the USA.
If were talking about crusades, what about the christian crusades then? Does that mean all Christians are neither angels nor innocent? How many wars have been started "for the sake of Christianity"? Are all Christians evil now? There's a lot of violence in the name of religions.
Other arabic countries shouldn't "want" Palestinians. They should want for them to be able to live in their own home country. You could also criticise almost every european country for "not wanting immigrants" as well.
In your account it says you're from Sweden. What if Norway invaded Sweden, because 2000 years ago it "belonged" to them and then as a peace offering they gave you Värmland and parts of Stockholm. Would you be fine with that?
Regarding the picture, again I'm not saying they are perfect victims. Hamas is violent, even against Palestinians. There's also antisemitic people that use this war as grounds or validation for their antisemitism, which is also wrong. No ethnic group is a monolith. Theres not "the evil jews" and theres not "the evil palestinians". Like I said in the beginning, I was looking for revenge killings because I literaly wanted to show that both sides do wrongs. There have been massacres on both sides over the decades. But I think its wrong how the israeli government handled the situation after october 7th. They could have used their military equipment to look for hamas instead of flattening entire blocks of cities and airstriking civilians. You don't bomb a school to kill the school shooter and accept the casualties.
As of 8 January 2025, over 47,000 people – 45,936 Palestinian and 1,706 Israeli – have been reported killed…
First of all, I'm not trying to defend what hamas did on October 7th. As I've said in my comment before, killing someone is never right. Hamas killing civilians is also not right. I just hate the sentiment that the conflict "started on October 7th" when this conflict is like a hundred years old and started when Zionists made plans to colonise Palestine. ("But it's their promised Land! It says so in the Bible!" It's also the homeland of the Palestinians having lived there for thousand of years. And why does Israel have to be an Ethnostate?)
For every link of a Palestinian killing an Israeli, you will find an Israeli/IDF killing a Palestinian:
should we start a list and see how many people died on each side? Will this back and forth end then? Again, I'm not saying Hamas is right or that Israelis deserve to die. What I just can't wrap my head around is how Israel is literally carpet bombing Gaza, civilians are displaced and also killed but when you criticise it the answer is "but they started this on October 7th". Collective punishment is not the answer to a massacre. It's not justice to bomb innocent civilians for something Hamas has done.
As of 8 January 2025, over 47,000 people – 45,936 Palestinian and 1,706 Israeli – have been reported killed…
Then imagine if someone came to your house and started to control how much water you get, how much electricity, controlled when you can leave, killed your family members and said whoops, that was an accident sorry. Would you just say no worries that's fine or would you start fighting back and defend your home?
Also you talk about balance. Then what about 1.200+ Israelis killed on October 7th vs. 40.000+ Palestinians killed afterwards. If you go by numbers, who would be the bad guy? And wtf do you mean "the right victims" there's no right or wrong when people get killed. There's a victim, and there's the perpetrator. Just how the Nazis were wrong murdering innocent Jews the Israeli government is wrong bombing innocent Palestinians.
The person on the bike chose to break the law. The Palestinians did not chose to get bombed. There's no compensation in it for them. Rebuilding Gaza will take decades. Generations of people are traumatized. How does that not make them victims?
2011: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-195880/ "... between June and November 2006, [Israeli military] carried out 346 military incursions into different parts of Gaza, accompanied by persistent artillery shelling and air to surface missile attacks." i thought they left gaza in 2005?
Did anyone else have the problem that when they searched for ep 1 the first part would not show up, even when searching for Ep 1 1/4? I only found it by going to GMMTV directly and I just wonder why that is
If were talking about crusades, what about the christian crusades then? Does that mean all Christians are neither angels nor innocent? How many wars have been started "for the sake of Christianity"? Are all Christians evil now? There's a lot of violence in the name of religions.
Other arabic countries shouldn't "want" Palestinians. They should want for them to be able to live in their own home country. You could also criticise almost every european country for "not wanting immigrants" as well.
In your account it says you're from Sweden. What if Norway invaded Sweden, because 2000 years ago it "belonged" to them and then as a peace offering they gave you Värmland and parts of Stockholm. Would you be fine with that?
Regarding the picture, again I'm not saying they are perfect victims. Hamas is violent, even against Palestinians. There's also antisemitic people that use this war as grounds or validation for their antisemitism, which is also wrong. No ethnic group is a monolith. Theres not "the evil jews" and theres not "the evil palestinians". Like I said in the beginning, I was looking for revenge killings because I literaly wanted to show that both sides do wrongs. There have been massacres on both sides over the decades. But I think its wrong how the israeli government handled the situation after october 7th. They could have used their military equipment to look for hamas instead of flattening entire blocks of cities and airstriking civilians. You don't bomb a school to kill the school shooter and accept the casualties.
For every link of a Palestinian killing an Israeli, you will find an Israeli/IDF killing a Palestinian:
1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
1953: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
1956: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Yunis_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Rafah_massacre
2002: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna8176696
2008: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/killed-while-they-played-football-the-child-victims-of-israels-revenge-on-gaza-789359.html
2009: https://archive.is/r0PTR
2014: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/02/palestinian-teenager-dead-suspected-revenge-attack
2015: https://www.timesofisrael.com/west-bank-infant-killed-in-apparent-price-tag-arson-attack/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsDPfiPTpxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G-guWhF-4k
2018: https://archive.is/JlTqx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOLj6-EwE4k
2022: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KSGvzExRSQo
and I mean if we link Wikipedia anyways why not go through these as well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Gaza_War_(2008%E2%80%932009)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag_attack_policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks
should we start a list and see how many people died on each side? Will this back and forth end then? Again, I'm not saying Hamas is right or that Israelis deserve to die. What I just can't wrap my head around is how Israel is literally carpet bombing Gaza, civilians are displaced and also killed but when you criticise it the answer is "but they started this on October 7th". Collective punishment is not the answer to a massacre. It's not justice to bomb innocent civilians for something Hamas has done.
Also you talk about balance. Then what about 1.200+ Israelis killed on October 7th vs. 40.000+ Palestinians killed afterwards. If you go by numbers, who would be the bad guy?
And wtf do you mean "the right victims" there's no right or wrong when people get killed. There's a victim, and there's the perpetrator. Just how the Nazis were wrong murdering innocent Jews the Israeli government is wrong bombing innocent Palestinians.
The person on the bike chose to break the law. The Palestinians did not chose to get bombed. There's no compensation in it for them. Rebuilding Gaza will take decades. Generations of people are traumatized. How does that not make them victims?
meanwhile before october 7th:
1980:
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208638/
2004:
https://www.hrw.org/report/2004/10/17/razing-rafah/mass-home-demolitions-gaza-strip
2005:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel they needed a court to tell them not to use human shields smh
https://www.hrw.org/report/2005/06/21/promoting-impunity/israeli-militarys-failure-investigate-wrongdoing
2011:
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-195880/
"... between June and November 2006, [Israeli military] carried out 346 military incursions into different parts of Gaza, accompanied by persistent artillery shelling and air to surface missile attacks." i thought they left gaza in 2005?
2014:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel
2015:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/27/israel-responsible-gaza-strikes-un-schools-ban-ki-moon
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/04/israeli-soldiers-cast-doubt-on-legality-of-gaza-military-operation
2017:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/
"...Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army."
2020:
https://archive.is/B2Km4
2021:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/08/israel-more-than-205-palestinians-wounded-in-jerusalem-al-aqsa-clashes
https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-fe452147166f55ba5a9d32e6ba8b53d7
2022:
https://archive.is/j6xN0
2023:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/04/israel-opt-second-night-of-horror-at-al-aqsa-mosque/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/21/a-hidden-universe-of-suffering-the-palestinian-children-sent-to-jail
and these are just a few things. so please, spare me the bullshit of this NOT being a humanitarian crisis.