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@Synchonicity 무슨 말도 안되는 소리를 하는 거야? Funny how the entirety of gay rights, women's rights and civil rights depends on the argument that people outside of those groups can't decide how they feel, think or why they at the way they do, as they have never experienced life as one of aforementioned groups, but here you are, a member of one of those groups, taking a metaphorical dump on the argument for you to even have equal rights, by doing the very thing you claimed to be persecution against your group. As you are a student of Hippocrates i suggest you go and start some village with other sodomites who share your philosophy.

What kind of perverted life have you lead, that your statement could possibly make sense in your mind? It sounds to me like you were either born in this melenium and have not matured yet as life has been anything but difficult for anyone born after the year 2000 unless you live in some small village with no food and uncleanwater, or your grasp of the English language is tenuous at best and you need to return to school. Considering you have the internet, I'm inclined to believe the latter.

No thank you, I'd much rather remain steadfast in my beliefs and religion and gain eternal paradise with everyone who does not sin without remorse. Instead of placate the perverse beliefs of crossdressers and sodomites which would condemn them and then myself to Hell.

In this thread i have stated several times anything outside of marital sex is wrong in my opinion and the opinion of 3 billion people on the planet, 1 billion Catholics like myself another billion Christians and finally a billion Muslims, over 50% of the planet thinks premarital sex is wrong, as well as homosexuality. My right to free speech as well as the religion and people who forced those rights onto most of the modern world, are also the ones that allow a woman like you to even speak to me freely, so before making a point about my speech i'd reconsider your position, all rights were a gift and i am tolerating your debate and begrudgingly entertaining it even though my religion tells me not to even bother if a woman tries to do what you are doing in deference to yourself. I have not called you any names, i have not used foul or vulgar language against anyone's beliefs or sexuality and yet you use language to try and insult me, unfortunately for you, the person who is being insulted has to hold your opinion to a certain value for it to actually affect them, which in regards to you of myself; i do not as you are just a woman and have shown time and time again in this thread why almost every society, through all of history regardless or race or religion has not given your group equal rights, but since you clearly do not believe in the most populous religions or perhaps play pick and choose which parts you believe in, i will use science to explain why a woman's opinion such as yourself are usually so deluded. If we take religion out of the equation of why men and women are the way they are then we have science left as an explanation, then we look at evolution specifically. In school we learn of Darwin and his finches as the primary example for evolution, some finches migrated to another island where a food source was available that no niche had an organism fill, eventually through genetic mutation a finch was born that was better adapted to acquiring that food source then out-competing it's peers. Then that finch breed and passed on its genes, the offspring that inherited his mutation then out-competed their peers until they became the majority population. If we take this and place it in Humanity, according to women's own declarations, they were forbidden from being on said metaphorical second island, they were horribly forbidden to experience the island because men forced them to stay in the home only cooking and cleaning, never learning or going to school in any large capacity. Therefore according to women's own testimony, you have not even had the opportunity to evolve to be equal to men. A large logical fallacy in their argument for equal rights but i digress we gave them to you anyway, a gift given by men to you. Women never fought some epic battle like Gallipoli or anything even close, you were given a gift and women like yourself prove every day why it took 7000 years of recorded history to happen for that gift to even be offered. Finally your veiled passive aggressive threats mean nothing to me, if i was so afraid of someone finding out where i live do you truly think i would use my real name in my handle for anyone to search online? The places where children are allowed to drag shows can be easily searched on any search engine really. It happens every month, Those "pesky freedoms" as you call them, do not apply to children, otherwise someone could use the first amendment and take their child walking nude through the streets saying it is their right from their freedom of expression to be allowed to do so on a public street. Your understanding of the rights that allow you to even speak to me the way you do would be disconcerting, but at this point in my life women like yourself, ignorant and blissfully abusing their rights with no appreciation or respect for them have been the majority by far. You would like it if i moved wouldn't you? Just far away from a liberal safe space, i don't believe i will, my family has lived here for generations and the opinion of a stranger and their desire to deport everyone from said spaces while claiming to be tolerant is not something i will capitulate to.

Ah, another challenger, If requiring a PHD was a prerequisite for debate, why do lawyers need to go to law school and not gain a doctorate in any field? As for your last statement, if you had bothered to read the thread instead of jumping the gun (or perhaps you were so bad and English comprehension you did read all of it and just can't understand everything) I stated several examples that were outside of the Christian faith as for why i was correct, but hey attacking Christianity to try and prove a point is the epitome of hypocritical woke nonsense. You, like all those who came before you, did not refute a single point i stated, you just blurted out your PC feelings and presented it as an argument, like those who came before you, i hope your country gives you the right to an attorney if you are ever accused of a crime, you would get incarcerated even if you did not commit the crime without one; with your lack of debate skills.

You clearly never read The Bible if you think i am using God to hurt people, a person's individual feelings on the matter differ person to person, are you saying all gay people feel the same way? That is close minded, i would wager that not every Gay person even thinks the color red is the color red, due to one of them inevitably being colorblind due to statistics. I am hurting no one by expressing my opinion, perhaps if i ran a one world government dictatorship, then forced every person to listen to and learn my opinions, you would have a leg to stand on; but clearly i do not. Again i never said they should not exist, that they should control themselves if they want to go to Heaven. You are the one asking me (not surprisingly) not to exist, the left is notorious for being intolerant, immature, uncivil people. Your last sentence makes no sense, you claim i am the sinner? Again you have clearly not read the Bible. You claiming i am a sinner, does not make me one, going against the word of God (which i have not done) would make me one. You claim everything i say contradicts myself, but anyone who reads through it with at least a high school level reading comprehension level of the English language, knows i have not. You are just another person who has shown your hate for me and my beliefs, while I in fact have stated several times in this thread i do not hate any of the people mentioned in it. You should read "James 4:4" "Matthew 10:34-36" "Leviticus 18:22 " Leviticus 20:13" "Jude 1:7" "Romans 1:26-28" and "Mark 10:6-9".
You did not answer me, if i hate these people; why do i want them to be with me in Heaven? Nor would i wager that you would speak to a Muslim like this about their similar beliefs. There is a reason why you are acting the way you are and it is clear from "James 4:4" which does not only apply to "adulteresses". I will pray for you to lose the hate in your heart and find The Lord, just as I do for all sinners. Good day.

I'm saying paraphilia leads to more paraphilia. Funny how you should mention The Bible, i would love for you to tell a Muslim their opinion based on their religious beliefs are wrong when it says the same in the Quran...I do have experience with gay people i live 25 miles away from New York City...I see them put on sex parades with phallic toys glued to their heads dancing while wearing gimp suits flaunting their victory on a float in a parade every year. while my country flies their flag as if under occupation of a foreign power. I have not spread hate if you believe i did so, that is your opinion which you are entitled to, but does not mean it is correct. Homosexuals flaunting their perversions openly in society while demanding to be both equal and a protected class does hurt the society in which i live. Plenty of wars have happened "due to fictional stories" so your point there is lost on myself. If you read my previous comments i never wished for them not to exist, in fact quite clearly i stated the opposite, that i wished for them to act in a proper manner according to my religion, so as we can all experience Heaven together (so hateful of me to want them to have eternal paradise alongside myself.) You clearly either skimmed or flat out did not read the discussion i was having but wanted to trow in your sjw two cents on the subject, people like you are part of the problem why your side is not taken seriously, you do no research, do not address or refute any of the previous points i made, then clearly stated a passive aggressive threat towards myself when i stated no threats towards anyone. A person like yourself would have never survived in any other time period, your mouth would have gotten you into a situation you could not protect yourself in easily.

Non Catholics love to go to the "love they neighbor" as an excuse for their poor knowledge of the religion and why a Catholic does not act that way in every situation. It also says that pedophiles should have large boulders attached to their ankles and thrown into the ocean for causing little children to sin. Do you think that if that person was my neighbor it would negate the other passage? That it only pertains to those who are not your neighbors? Ridiculous.
Yes i am comparing homosexuals to pedophiles, they are both paraphilias....Your offense is inconsequential, it is an individual feeling, on this website i have used no calls for action or violence, no slur words or even curse words pertaining to any individual or group of people, if such non violent and non vulgar language offends you, then that says a lot more about yourself than it does myself. Perhaps you should only live in a "safe space" where the rules for such a place are up to your totalitarian standards? Why do i care what other people do in their own time? That is very ambiguous and could pertain to murderers, rapists etc but i won't insult you for your ambiguity even though it is very childish....As for why i care it is because of my religion why i do, because of my faith of why i do, the same reason why i care about what pedophiles and murderers do, i wish for EVERYONE to be able to go to Heaven. Not just "straight people". I want EVERYONE to be together after death. I did not realize wanting EVERYONE to be with me was "intolerant" how horrible and selfish of me for me to want every human being on the planet to have eternal paradise with each other and God. I never condoned Straights having sex outside of marriage or just for pleasure so that point you are trying to make is null and void. Saying i only have a right to speak of someone's actions if they try to force it upon me again is a silly opinion, i guess i should not condemn murder since i am not trying to be killed? That is the logic you are using, again very foolish. My right to voice my opinion is the same as yours, as by your username i am guessing you are a woman, i would think as an individual who is part of a group who did not always have freedom of expression you would not tell others to be silent, but not everyone appreciates their own history and rights and thinks even though their group did not always have said right, they can tell others to forfeit that right, again foolish. There is plenty wrong with sodomy, From religious to medical reasons across the board there is wrong with sodomy, which i have stated in my previous comments. I never said they were not human, in fact it is because i think of them as human that i care about them, so again a foolish statement showing your lack of understanding of my previous comments. "Wanting to touch the people you love?" Plenty of pedophiles have "loved" children. According to your statement that means they should be allowed to. I named plenty of examples of letting sexuality outside of marriage not just homosexual relations, that lead to the downfall of civilization. Restrictive societies are the cornerstone of success, societies that limit humans from acting like animals are why we live in societies in the first place and not in caves just humping each other.
You speak as an "Indian" like your ethnicity is some sort or qualification to speak on the subject, if i ask a homeless Dalit in India about history since they are Indian as well then they should be able to speak well on any subject regarding Indian history? again foolish.
There was no Indian empire when the Portuguese came to India you had been taken over by Muslims for centuries by that point and they interbred with the natives to create the upper class who had most high positions in government. You started making a coherent point with this "Malik Kakur" then completely tarnished it by stating "they will never be able to be half the man he was" As a Muslim he also practiced and enforced "Jizya" on the natives, and as a caste society in and of itself outside the Muslim ruling class, separating people by their unchosen circumstances of birth, someone as intelligent as the most intelligent person you believe to walk the earth (whomever that may be) may have been born a Dalit and were taxed to death by the ruling Muslim class while being shunned by their fellow Hindus.
I never stated the "being gay" denies you salvation in the Catholic church, sinning does, just as if a heterosexual man or woman have relations outside of marriage and do not wholeheartedly confess their sins of sexual intercourse outside of marriage and ask for forgiveness, will be denied Heaven as well. Judas was saved because he realized his sin and asked for forgiveness. Your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant, it was stated by the man himself what happens to homosexuals who do not confess their sins after death.
Again you misinterpret scripture to fit your narrative, yes Jesus did call for all of us to love eachother and have peace but again he also stated pedophiles who do not repent should have large boulders attached to their ankles and thrown into the ocean...the reason why you find my "teachings" strange most likely stem from your incomplete knowledge of the Bible and Catholicism. So you in fact so not interpret his teachings which you openly state to have never read, better than i do. You most likely got your knowledge from a certain group of people who lie about all goyim and keep the goyim in the dark about Christ. I will not apologize for my speech which has been non violent and non vulgar. Their feelings on the subject matter are inconsequential. You give a very ambiguous closing argument, yes California is a "woke" state and use their tax revenue as justification of it, where do you think most of their tax revenue comes from? the average homosexual who might work in a supermarket barely making ends meet? Or the multi-billion dollar media companies producing films and television programs? Which since homosexuals are a minority would not make up even half of the money the state gains in tax revenue from Hollywood or even all taxes such as property or sales tax at all, they cannot since their population is too low to do so. As to why there is "no reply to this" i have replied, in less than a day, considering i work 10 hours a day for a living, and have to sleep 8 to 10 hours a day to physically survive, i have not been tardy in my response. impatience is something regarded as negative in almost every society, gay or straight, christian or Muslim etc. You would do well to take heed and be patient, it would only benefit yourself according to virtually every philosophy humans have come up with on the planet through history. Your last comparison of sexuality and height is a straw-man argument.

other people not being offended does not devalue another person's offense. all I asked asked was for them to put the line " all characters organizations religions etc are based on fiction and in no way depict real life groups." which they do in plenty of other dramas. As a catholic I have already explained briefly why it is offensive, and made no calls for it to be taken off the air or something in that regard. they could have easily done just one line in one frame at the beginning of the episode to avoid this and they chose not to. I will hold a multi billion dollar company that only employees adults up to a certain standard.

I agree i see the Christian faith depicted negatively in many kdramas, while only a few i can say they were depicted in a neutral or good light. Just a crash course on what Christians believe in would have sufficed for the writers if they were going to depict the faith, in the first few minutes like i stated previously, several things were incorrect; for example the demon being able to touch holy water, the demon using hebrew on the walls, having a cross tattoo?!?! etc. These are not things according to Christianity, that demons can do. Again if they had just stated "this is not based on or represents any real world religion etc" like i have seen them do with Buddhism, Islam and other faiths, i would be fine with it. I would bet that this is due to Neflix's influence though, the owner and majority share holders of that company are very notoriously anti Christian.

You can tell this drama was HEAVILY influenced by a certain group of people at Netflix. they were not Christian but have hated us since the beginning of Christianity. several mistakes with what Christians believe in their faith about demons. in the first 5 minutes it becomes apparent that they are just using Christians while distorting the Christian faith. very disrespectful. I did not even see the usual "all people, places and religions in this drama are fictitious and in no way represent real world groups" that you see in kdramas usually.

@Gayinyourarea You have not on one single point, but i guess when you think with your heart and your genitalia, it can be difficult to use your brain. There is a difference between a romantic story for children like "Cinderella" and books that teach 5 year olds how to commit fellatio, either you were too dumb to realize what i am speaking of, or chose to be an idiot about it. Wow, are you speaking for other species now? half the reason your kind even got any "rights" was because "buh you don't understand how it is to be gay, how it feels, what it means blah blah blah", now you're speaking for other species XD They do not understand what they are doing? i guess they just freak out when a baby pops out of them. They know what they are doing buddy. the things they don't know are things like calculus Now you're being downright dumb. plenty of animals kill just for sport, take a dolphin for example, they intentionally kill other dolphins not for food, not in defense, but for lols. that is not murder because neither party is human. What stops it? you need to drag so many people into your argument to try and have a leg to stand on its hilarious. sexual orientation has never proven to be genetic, there is no gay gene. it is a choice, like its a choice for someone to commit rape or self pleasure in their bedroom. both are sexual choices are they not? I notice how you've completely abandoned the race part now, tell me, how will a native african be able to live without breathing training in Tibet? cmon? we are all equal are we not? racism is jut mean words? People did not adapt to their environments over their competition right? You still have not refuted a single point. Go live your sodomite leech life, stop trying to debate as you and every other sodomite before you has failed. you have your "rights" to be leeches. just as i had my right to post my initial comment that started all of this, if you really want to push buttons, tell me who you truly think would win in a war for your "rights" if ti came down to it, a bunch of people obsessed with sex who cannot reproduce, or the 6 billion heterosexuals who can keep making babies. Like i told you before there is a reason why millionare sodomites exist and why you are not one of them, they know they were GIFTED rights and not to poke the metaphorical tiger that gave said rights to them. You on the other hand are just a leech. watch your sodomite tv, leech off of heterosexuals and die a meaningless life.

@Gayinyourarea Why did you now? You have been trying to refute me for months and have failed at every single turn, just admit to yourself what you really are like i have previously states and enjoy the west genuflecting to you since you already have everything you could want or need. You are using it against us? seems like a threat from someone who can't maintain their own population without heterosexuals, who cant maintain a society without heterosexuals and could not gain their "rights" without heterosexuals feeling sorry for you. No i do not mean adoption i mean the institution of sexual "education" in books meant for 5 year olds to teach them about sexuality and sex acts. The majority of your kind admits to being molested as a child and then becoming one of you. Children are not replacements? They grow into them, to maintain the population, how is it sickening when every other species on the planet can understand that. Your quote has no bearing on your own argument. Yes i am racist, if you are not racist you are an idiot, whatever race you are im going to take a guess it's not native Tibetan? Try and go climb the Himalayas without any oxygen equipment and see how you fare versus the natives who developed a natural ability to metabolize oxygen at higher altitudes. Are you African? go try and take a vacation to africa without a gallon of sunscreen and see if you don't get horribly sunburnt. Races adapted to their environments over others and are therefore BETTER than the others in their respective environments, this is racisim and also true. I can go on, the native eskimos? they metabolize fats better than other races due to a diet of blubber for thousands of years, versus a native central american who cannot do the same. If you're not racist, you are dumb. The moment i try to take away someone's civil liberties based on their race; you might have a foot to stand on. Lastly you explain my point exactly, the legal definition defines whether it was murder or not, just because a fetus is not recognized by the government as fully human (like african americans were not 100 years ago) does not mean it was not murder, by saying the fetus is not human (like african americans were not considered) you are saying not one african american who was killed by a human with full rights, prior to civil rights, was murdered. You lost over a month ago. Go enjoy living off heterosexuals, everything they create, that you cannot and live a quiet life with no purpose.

@Gayinyourarea Dang you took a month to think of that and STILL did not refute a thing i said? Congrats, really. No i'm actually a writer for buzzfeed writing garbage articles to pander to alphabet people a POC to make my money, like what you probably believe is a "respectable" job. It does not matter if you don't ask, you use it. Every single day and your community does nothing to provide their own for themselves. Parental responsibility? The only responsibilities that a parent has is to provide food and shelter, you don't even need to legally enroll your kids into school. I never claimed i built western society, but me and my fellow heterosexuals maintain it and provide replacements to maintain it through reproduction, something your kind can only do through grooming and again leeching off of what your kind cannot physically do, reproduce. You're correct, my God is not a shark, but he is no longer human either, murder is an elementary school word you fail to grasp and you try to have a debate? As for your last point, Until the state defines when human life begins, Which the federal government has not, it leaves it in legal limbo, until civil rights occurred in the united states if an african american was killed by a human being, it would not have legally been murder, to show you what you sound like here is my impression "BuT tHeY aReNt LeGalLy HuMaNs So It Is NoT mUrDeR". That is you, that is what you sound like.

@Gayinyourarea Yes they do ask us to, every single day by living in them and using them, you sound like a child who dislikes their parents and goes "Well i never asked you to pay for my house, food, electricity etc!" None given in return? We allow you to exist in our societies, we give you everything except for the air you breathe and in the west is one of the only places on earth your people can even exist without being stoned. So calling you a name and telling you to live on your own is "disrespect" to you, so in return, you have sex parades down the streets demanding recognition and children to watch? yea that seems the same. I'm sure you are waiting, like i stated before the reason why there are millionaire alphabet people is because they are much smarter than you, Ellen Degeneres knows she needs to leech off western society to survive, you clearly do not this will just circle back to having one of your billionaires buy a artificial archipelago for you, they wont do it, because they know your true nature. You don't need to learn Latin, part of learning English is learning the history of words and where they originate from, for example umbrella comes from Italian, while pajamas come from Hindi. But asking someone to learn the history of their primary language in the west, especially an alphabet person is obviously fool-hearty. i bet the Koreans here know which words came from Chinese though.
So you're comparing illness to murder, lets go with your statement even though you clearly do not understand anything, So it's God "muderering" the babies, first off murder is defined by one human being killing another, which is why if someone dies from a shark attack ti is not murder...again, great understanding of the English language you have, bravo. Second since its not murder, even if it was Him, then it was part of his plan, to teach something. Which would be justified, He takes everyone when they are supposed to be taken. So yes i am against Murder, God is not human, And Christ never murdered anyone, therefore your argument is invalid. Nice try again though.

@gayinyourarea So because of their religious beliefs, while they create and maintain the societies you live in, invent everything you use in your day to day life, created ALL of the members of your family for ALL of history, they deserve no respect because of your hurt feelings? Seems pretty mature. Plenty of people give respect when they are given none in return, take fast food workers, you think they don't get berated for things outside their control? they still act civilly, that is a poor defense for uncivilized behavior, whatever happened to, due onto others with you wish would be done unto yourself?
Lets not respect eachother, we kick you out of the nations built by heterosexuals and where do you go? there are a few unclaimed acres of land no government has claimed yet, im sure you can fit the millions of you in a few acres, or you can ask governments to build you artificial islands, like i suggested in the beginning, of course youd have to do real work to pay it off, not write buzzfeed articles.

I already suggested separating, see who has a tougher time, you people who have never built or maintained a society on your own, or us, who have done it in all of recorded history.

Ofcourse thats how diseases are spread. tell me how did the aids virus get into the human population? a Gay man having sex with a Chimp...How many deaths are on that perverts hands? Gay people spread STDS FAR more often than heterosexuals, because since a man's butthole can't get pregnant many homosexuals do not use protection.

Its pretty simple, one gay man with a disease bangs another, then lets say he goes on holiday and bangs another man, or some gay man comes to his city from abroad on vacation and bangs him, boom then it spreads exponentially because like i stated before, since you cant get a butthole pregnant gay men rarely use protection.

It is not the most accurate....the Latin Vulgate is.....by far....sorry i guess latin is too difficult for you, and you need translations from several different people over several centuries instead of the latin vulgate which remained the same for almost 2000 years....

Science can't agree that we are even alive, look up the Boltzzmann Brain paradox. Thats why Myself and billions of people of various religions believe it begins at CONCEPTION. You are the one who can't define things because some scientist you fancy like neil degrasse tyson is not nearly as smart as you think he is.

It is not an opinion, until when life begins is DEFINED by the sate (which they will never do because then if they are wrong they can be sued for billions of dollars for allowing abortion if the definition changes). IT is not an opinion.
The woman should live with the consequences of her actions, the amount of babies conceived by rape is less than 3% the overwhelming majority engaged in consensual sex, being allowed to murder because they don't like the outcome of their decision is stupid. She can put it up for adoption, give it to a religious organization etc the options are vast.

Again you have proven nothing and just made strawman blanket statements. Keep trying though.

@Gayinyourarea "no one* else is reading this thread get over yourself"
Wow bigoted much? i thought a whole big thing of civil rights for women, people of color and the alphabet people was not having someone else speak for yourself? yet here you are being hypocritical, well not really surprising anyone with half a functioning brainstem knows that was BS people used to get others on their side to fight for their "rights".

Exactly, you cry and moan over my initial comment but when you insult over half the world's population, you don't care at all, then moan and cry when people do not "respect you" your people are all children. They act like children your example is my case and point. you don't want equality, you want to be put on a pedestal while having everyone genuflect to you all.

Really? Seems like the alphabet people spread various STDS around whole nations because of their acts, what has Buddhism ever done to you? blanket statements and ambiguity are the tools of cowards.

I quote you and i am putting words in your mouth? No i quoted you, the thing is everything anyone ever says anytime is open to interpretation
for example i could state water is made of hydrogen and oxygen molecules and someone, somewhere will cry and moan like yourself and go "WeLl NoT oNly WatEr Is YoU bIgOt! WhAt AbOuT iCe!!" That's what you people do.

They do not refer to shrine prostitutes..... you use an international version why not the Latin Vulgate? is Latin too difficult for yourself to learn?

They did not appear before the Greeks and Apostles? You do realize that book is taken from the Jewish texts that existed before Christ correct?

The same organization that stopped MURDER? No one people have a clear cut definition of where abortion is not murder, you ask several different groups and all say " oh well at 9 months its murder not 3 weeks. then another says 6 months, then another 3, again cowards hiding behind ambiguity, imagine thinking the most charitable organization in the world who wants to stop what they believe is murder, from happening, i thought what people feel and believe was the most sacred thing to you people? the majority of your arguments are feelings not based in fact, even science does not have a clear cut definition of when a human life begins, liberals like yourself love to say "after the baby is born because it is no longer dependent on the mother, so what about sick children who need care after birth? we can kill them? what about healthy babies that need to breastfeed to survive?

"if they did its a cover up" so more assumptions based on zero proof, your arguments are great, really you're at university level. you should be a professor.

I'm not a priest or a teacher, my priests already teach not to make out in public, like they teach not to be a sodomite.

@GayinYourArea Talking to myself? Everyone besides yourself can see you and I debating. You only blocked Yourself from myself not the whole website and every user from seeing you in the thread. you keep replying because if you don't it will leave things ambiguous and in most cultures, it would be you admitting defeat after not refuting a single point i have made, leaving a whole thread of you trying to debate me and fail.

Just as you keep using ambiguity as a shield because then you would have to actually know what you're speaking off and defend it, by saying "ancient societies" you leave it open for hundreds off different societies across hundreds of different countries across time.

You say the gender roles are man made, that is Islamophobic, anti Christian, Anti Buddhist, Anti Hindu and anti almost every religion on the planet that was not created within the last century. Hilarious how your kind says you're the enemy of bigotry and you just insulted 1.5 billion Catholics another billion Christians, a billion Muslims, a Billion Hindus and a billion Buddhists all in one sentence. 4.5 billion people you just insulted and their beliefs.
Your people love to blame Christianity, when plenty of societies and cultures knew how bad sodomy was for them. That's why it was outlawed in most civilized places before they even heard stories of Christians existing.
You say no societies have mention of it? How about the Sodomites? an ancient tribe of homosexuals
How about the Arsenokoitai? an ancient tribe of homosexuals in ancient greece predating Christianity. the list goes on and on simple internet searches refute your claim.

Hundreds of thousands of years ago? People did it as recently as the 50s. People have done it for as long as societies existed. doesn't that refute your previous argument that it was not accepted in Christian societies? What did the gay men do then? just marry a woman and not act on their true sexual desires? You really think every single one did that for thousands of years? That is foolish, you can only say for certain every human for the past two thousand years, breathed oxygen, drank water, required sleep, and needed to eat to maintain being alive.

Wow bigoted much? How do you know what the majority of rich people believe in or practice? Did you take a census poll with them hooked up to lie detection machines?

The drive to accumulate wealth is inconsistent with the idea of communal support? Tell that to the Catholic Church, the LARGEST charitable organization in the world currently and one of the richest. Weird how they are like that when they are so "phobic" and "hateful" huh?

Weird That all your billionaire "allies" wont donate a small amount of their wealth to save you from persecution, almost like they are selfish?

I said most were not in jobs that maintain society, usually being in the arts not "All gay people work for buzzfeed". This is fact, bringing in a few select diversity hires or the few in the population who are doctors does not change the fact the majority of alphabet people are in non essential roles to society.

Lastly you just said that in "ancient societies" Gender roles and concepts of homosexuality did not exist, if they did not exist; how could they be "tolerated and face discrimination"? Who was being tolerated?

People like you are reasons why in the united states and other countries, everyone has a right to an attorney, even if you did not commit a crime, someone with your debating skills would be convicted of a crime they did not commit.

You are the one who has disproved nothing, My straight lifestyle is in the bedroom, i am a
Tridentine Catholic. not some fornicator. I am ALL for not making out in public , i PREFER the old movies where you never see ANYONE kiss. That's one reason I watched Kdramas 10 years ago before they were westernized with all the BS you would MAYBE see the protagonist kiss the heroine at the end of the drama and that's a big MAYBE. The Same with Western movies and television before the CLA was disbanded and the MPAA took over, one was founded and maintained by Catholics which is why you see in western movies before the 60s a man and a woman MAYBE kiss at the end of the film and even that was frowned upon, Afterwards the same people who own netflix created the MPAA which is why film and tv in the west became softcore pornography.

@GayinYourArea Sorry, that's not going to happen, don't you find it odd that i still know what you're commenting on and can still reply even though you blocked me? Seems like you are not very intelligent, but everyone who reads this debate already knows that. You disproved nothing.
1) you replied to me, so yes it is your debate.
2) You are talking about a few societies not all and even then, yes they did have a concept of sexual orientation and even transgenderism, which is why they extensively wrote about it, im presuming you're getting your info from wikipedia or trying to remember your public education in high school both of which are lackluster. It's pretty silly you think that societies that had legal slavery, did don't distinguish people based on gender or sexuality. They did, sodomites had rights, women had little rights like children and slaves had none. it was pretty straight forward.
3) Wow are you being prejudiced against a group of people based on their wealth? not very P.C!!! who do i contact to get demerits put on your P.C card? not very inclusive or progressive of you to discriminate against the wealthy!
4) Who said anything about assuming? They were open about it, they didn't hide in the closet and have a fake wife like people did 100 years ago, seeing you try and cope is hilarious.
5) Why not just pay for the tech then? or have a different country build it? Are you being racist?
6) You, you are leeching. the vast majority of alphabet people do not do any jobs that contribute to society like building homes or maintain sewage systems, They cry and write articles for buzzfeed about how hard they have it in life :(

In summation, you disproved nothing, you saying ancient societies were more tolerant just proves MY point, even when you people were tolerated, you accomplished NOTHING! Never anything! Nada! Zilch!
I do feel sorry for you but most of you would have much better lives if you accepted these facts. You people have contributed less than .000001% of anything to any society, you leech off us. leave your sexuality in your bedrooms like I BELIEVE STRAIGHT PEOPLE SHOULD DO AS WELL! It has no place in public, people who speak about sex or commit sex in public are perverts. It's called shame, something that people who have a whole month to screech PRIDE with sex toys glued to their foreheads to appear as unicorns while preforming sex dances on a float down mainstreet to force everyone to watch will never understand.

"GayinYourArea 41 minutes ago
@jplaizure it’s so cute when you talk about the things you don’t understand. is it your job to spread misinformation? because you’re highly qualified

i'm blocking now, bye!"


run and hide coward, you disproved nothing just used slander like a child, A real adult would refute me. But your people are not known for courage, they are known for sodomy, cowardice and forcing people to accept them. YOU started with me and you won't even finish your argument that YOU started.

I never spread any misinformation unless you think somehow the "bigots" changed ALL of human history, chinese, japanese, korean, European, Middle eastern; everywhere. Your people achieve nothing and contribute nothing, even in time periods where your people were not limited in any way and were accepted. Have fun leeching off of heterosexuals and crying about them like a child who hates their parents.