For the historians on MDL...https://t.co/gSDcHoXYjh
Well, to be be honest, he is a "Journalism and Communication" professor, so his opinion on historical accuracy isn't one of an expert on the subject. ^^ But it's true that considering the few sources of that time and the inevitable cultural and economic exchanges between people, it's totally stupid to criticise that. Especially because the critics probably come from China, so it tells it all, ad everybody know that they are awful when it comes to cultural appropriation with other asian countries. But it's also ridiculous because, in the end, it's a fiction based on historical figures, so they aren't bound to historical accuracy, they can take all the liberties they want, even if people look for it and would have like it to be historically accurate.
And these critics/comments are really hypocritical too, because I don't know a single Korean drama that don't…
I disagree. At least things are clear with explicit content (and to be honest, it's like 5 minutes at most for all four episodes, so that's really not prominent enough to be a problem). To me it's more problematic to always objectifying Korean actors with shirtless or naked showers scenes focusing or their abs, and lots of implicit sexual references, but pretending that Korean dramas are pure and innocent, staying away of sex, like it's a perversion, because it's fake. Totally hypocritical. And that's just a very American/protestant puritan way of seeing things I think. Not my culture at all, so I will not agree with such puritanism.
Here in "Queen Woo", I don't see it as an objectification. I don't think all ther scenes are approriate or necessary, but that's very different of the classic totally useless shirtless scene of rom/com dramas that are just here to please the audience lust, here it has a purpose, even if we can disagree or not understand it. And it's your interpretation of what I wrote, not at all what I wrote. It's funny because if have seen some of your latest comments here and everything you wrote against those criticising the shocked viewers by nudity, applies to you and all those screaming "porn" or whatever about it too. Just like you and others can complain about nudity and sex, we can argument and complain about your puritanism on the subject.
I think one of the reasons there is a lot of angst about this drama is the sense of been dropped into the middle…
I agree with you, except that I think that the four episodes are enough to say if someone like or dislike it. I'm looking forward to the second part too because I want to see what happens next and how they will finish the story. But I already know it will not be the masterpiece I hoped it will be, because my expectations for this sageuk are disappointed on many points (mainly because of the choices of the screenwriter on what and how he interpreted the historical sources of this event and characters), even though I don't think it's a total failure neither. I have seen far worst sageuk, for my tastes.
And these critics/comments are really hypocritical too, because I don't know a single Korean drama that don't…
But there is no excuse to be given here, because the warning that the content will be explicit is clear. And that doesn't change the fact that people who criticise this because Korean dramas are supposed to normally don't show nudity/sex in their heads are hypocrites, as the reality is that there is always shirtless scenes or implicit sexual content in all Korean dramas.
Honestly, i can't understand some of the comments/criticisms. The drama is classified, it has been said over and…
And these critics/comments are really hypocritical too, because I don't know a single Korean drama that don't take the chance to show the abs and pectoral of any actor as soon as they can, or shoot a shower scene, whatever the genre is. So criticising the explicit scenes claiming they like Korean dramas because there is no nudity/sex in it is funny. Korean dramas, like the music, is partially based on an hyper sexualization of actors/idols, so claiming some more explicit scenes are a shame is ridiculous. I am the first to question the need and meaning of some of these scenes, but because of historical or relevance arguments, not because theyre are explicit in itselves.
As I feared after watching the trailers, the screenwriter took a lot of liberties with the historical facts, and they choose a path for this sageuk I donāt really like unfortunately. Itās too far from the original characters and history that is known. As an avid watcher of sageuk, I like it better when they stick to the historical sources as much as possible, or, on the contrary, totally go fictional. The fictionalisation of true events is often disappointing for me because they change too much things, or create too much, and thatās the case here after the first four episodes of part one. Choosing the five brothers theory over the actual version that is accepted by historians was actually interesting, as it added a more dramatic effect for the battle for the throne. And adding characters and other casualties was inevitable as itās is based on a very ancient period and little is actually known, but why make characters like the queenās older sister ? Why was it necessary to create this lesbian relationship with the shaman ? This is totally useless, and only to appeal to some viewers of our days. Thatās totally unnecessary in a sageuk like this one. Just like the sex scene with her. I donāt mind nudity and sex scenes, on the contrary, but this one, when they mix it with her having sex with both the shaman and the king, was totally pointless. The kind of rivalry between the King and Eul Pa So ? Unnecessary. They added a funny character of course, the coachman. Unnecessary. Too many little things like these kind of ruin the original potential of the historical source for me. Making the queen a warrior is also to appeal to some 21th century feminism. Thatās stupid and totally ignores how women could be in power without fighting. In a way, itās putting a man characteristic to a woman to make her more valuable, which is for me even more diminishing to women. Itās not a symbol of equality. The sudden death of the king, killed, is also a choice I donāt understand and donāt like. I find this quite lazy from the screenwriter, they could have come up with something more clever. The overall quality is good, except for CGIs that are quite bad, but itās always the case with Korean dramas, so Iām not surprised. I donāt have complaints with the cast, but the acting is not very breathtaking neither. I am satisfied with Chang Wook playing King Gogukcheon, he never disappoints, but I donāt like how they decided to portray this great king. Why make him look, in a way, like a bad character ? Him, like other characters, lack depth I think, they are made like caricatured characters to me. Itās a good sageuk, but itās far from the masterpiece I hoped and expected it to be unfortunately. Let's wait and see the second part now.
It's not a rom-com, so saying is role is a "SML" doesn't makes sense here. There are six main characters/roles for this drama, and they are presented that way since the beginning, that's it. Applying the structure of cast for a romantic comedy to a sageuk like this one is pointless.
Do you know what a cameo is ? Because an "extended cameo" isn't a thing... He is playing a main role of the drama, not a cameo. The information given here are from original sources, it's not just people making up things. If he was a cameo his character would be registered as it.
Unfortunately, even though I know the story and originally like it, after each new episode I feel more frustrated because of the way the characters are developed and act in the show. The actors are very good, it's not their fault, it's just the way the characters are developed that is annoying to me. The last dialogue between Kohei and Taichi is the perfect example. Unnecessary miscommunication and assumptions from both sides. This dynamic between characters can sometimes be interesting, but here, after 10 episodes, it's just annoying for me.
It seems I have to lower a bit my expectations regarding this sageuk, because based on what they shared so far, they took a lot of liberties with the historical facts, and I'm not sure I will like what they choose to fill the History blanks with too. When it comes to sageuk based on true events and historical figures, it plays a big part for me, so even if it's well produced, it always reduces my liking for it when they deviate too much from historical facts. I hope the cast and the cinematography are good so that it make up for it and the disappointment is not too big. I'm both excited and worried to watch it now.
I don't think he'll do much since he has a special appearance on this drama.
He plays one of the main roles of the drama, it's not a special appearance. As for the promotion, it's TVING, they never promote dramas like other big networks, it was expected, especially for a sageuk.
I know it's pointless with the population using MDL, but still, the ratings for this drama should all be over 9 here. There is nothing to criticise about the cast, the acting, the production, the story, everything is brilliant. It may not be to everyone liking, of course, but those who don't like it should just ignore it then, because giving a bad rating to this amazing show is really one of the dumbest thing to do, or people doing that are just heartless or really stupid and don't know or don't understand anything about life.
instead of showing JCW's character as a corpse in the drama, if they gave his character a main lead role which…
The story is based on historical facts and a very particular event. Even though it is adapted and thus liberties will be taken (especially because the facts known of that time are little, and for entertainment purposes), of course they will keep the fact that the king dies. Otherwise the plot and this story is useless. Also, the character played by Chang Wook is still a main role of the drama, not a support or guest one. And you haven't watched it yet, like all of us, so you don't know if he will have a strong presence in all 8 episodes or not. Wait to watch. Why being so negative even before it has even started ? And if it's from a "fan" point of view, well, you should just respect the fact that Chang Wook wanted to play that role to show the audience what is he capable of and how he can interpret King Gogukcheon through this drama.
Is it only me who's skeptical about Jeon Jong Seo playing Queen Woo? š She appears quite young for the role.
I'm not skeptical about her, and I'm waiting to see the drama for making my opinion on her fitting the role. Based on historical facts, it's true that she might be a little younger than the age of the real queen at that time, but totally unsure. Considering she married King Gogukcheon in 180 and he died in 197, they were married 17 years. She died in 234, so she was at least 54 years old, but her age at that time is unknown. Marriage often happened with young girls, just barely women (meaning able to have children), so from around 13 years old. Assuming she was married young, she could have been around 30 when King Gogukcheon died, or between 35/40 if she married him at an older age. Goguryeo kings had concubines, but still, the queen was supposed to bare the heir if possible, so considering she remains queen after marrying King Sansang (King Gogukcheon's younger brother), despite not providing any heir during the 17 years of marriage with King Gogukcheon, it's possible she was still considered fertile (even if in the end they never had children together neither), so around 30/35.
They are, it's even the one that is the most promoted on their social medias right now. But it's very light. It's not just this one, "Love Next Door" that just started didn't had much promotion too, it's TVING unfortunately, not the best media when it comes to promotion around a drama. For sageuk I love all the photos of characters that are usually shared, when it is KBS, MBC or SBS productions for example, but with this one it will be very poor I guess...
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But it's true that considering the few sources of that time and the inevitable cultural and economic exchanges between people, it's totally stupid to criticise that. Especially because the critics probably come from China, so it tells it all, ad everybody know that they are awful when it comes to cultural appropriation with other asian countries. But it's also ridiculous because, in the end, it's a fiction based on historical figures, so they aren't bound to historical accuracy, they can take all the liberties they want, even if people look for it and would have like it to be historically accurate.
Here in "Queen Woo", I don't see it as an objectification. I don't think all ther scenes are approriate or necessary, but that's very different of the classic totally useless shirtless scene of rom/com dramas that are just here to please the audience lust, here it has a purpose, even if we can disagree or not understand it. And it's your interpretation of what I wrote, not at all what I wrote. It's funny because if have seen some of your latest comments here and everything you wrote against those criticising the shocked viewers by nudity, applies to you and all those screaming "porn" or whatever about it too. Just like you and others can complain about nudity and sex, we can argument and complain about your puritanism on the subject.
And that doesn't change the fact that people who criticise this because Korean dramas are supposed to normally don't show nudity/sex in their heads are hypocrites, as the reality is that there is always shirtless scenes or implicit sexual content in all Korean dramas.
I am the first to question the need and meaning of some of these scenes, but because of historical or relevance arguments, not because theyre are explicit in itselves.
As an avid watcher of sageuk, I like it better when they stick to the historical sources as much as possible, or, on the contrary, totally go fictional. The fictionalisation of true events is often disappointing for me because they change too much things, or create too much, and thatās the case here after the first four episodes of part one.
Choosing the five brothers theory over the actual version that is accepted by historians was actually interesting, as it added a more dramatic effect for the battle for the throne. And adding characters and other casualties was inevitable as itās is based on a very ancient period and little is actually known, but why make characters like the queenās older sister ? Why was it necessary to create this lesbian relationship with the shaman ? This is totally useless, and only to appeal to some viewers of our days. Thatās totally unnecessary in a sageuk like this one. Just like the sex scene with her. I donāt mind nudity and sex scenes, on the contrary, but this one, when they mix it with her having sex with both the shaman and the king, was totally pointless.
The kind of rivalry between the King and Eul Pa So ? Unnecessary. They added a funny character of course, the coachman. Unnecessary. Too many little things like these kind of ruin the original potential of the historical source for me.
Making the queen a warrior is also to appeal to some 21th century feminism. Thatās stupid and totally ignores how women could be in power without fighting. In a way, itās putting a man characteristic to a woman to make her more valuable, which is for me even more diminishing to women. Itās not a symbol of equality.
The sudden death of the king, killed, is also a choice I donāt understand and donāt like. I find this quite lazy from the screenwriter, they could have come up with something more clever.
The overall quality is good, except for CGIs that are quite bad, but itās always the case with Korean dramas, so Iām not surprised. I donāt have complaints with the cast, but the acting is not very breathtaking neither.
I am satisfied with Chang Wook playing King Gogukcheon, he never disappoints, but I donāt like how they decided to portray this great king. Why make him look, in a way, like a bad character ? Him, like other characters, lack depth I think, they are made like caricatured characters to me.
Itās a good sageuk, but itās far from the masterpiece I hoped and expected it to be unfortunately.
Let's wait and see the second part now.
Applying the structure of cast for a romantic comedy to a sageuk like this one is pointless.
He is playing a main role of the drama, not a cameo. The information given here are from original sources, it's not just people making up things. If he was a cameo his character would be registered as it.
This dynamic between characters can sometimes be interesting, but here, after 10 episodes, it's just annoying for me.
When it comes to sageuk based on true events and historical figures, it plays a big part for me, so even if it's well produced, it always reduces my liking for it when they deviate too much from historical facts.
I hope the cast and the cinematography are good so that it make up for it and the disappointment is not too big.
I'm both excited and worried to watch it now.
There is nothing to criticise about the cast, the acting, the production, the story, everything is brilliant.
It may not be to everyone liking, of course, but those who don't like it should just ignore it then, because giving a bad rating to this amazing show is really one of the dumbest thing to do, or people doing that are just heartless or really stupid and don't know or don't understand anything about life.
Also, the character played by Chang Wook is still a main role of the drama, not a support or guest one. And you haven't watched it yet, like all of us, so you don't know if he will have a strong presence in all 8 episodes or not. Wait to watch.
Why being so negative even before it has even started ? And if it's from a "fan" point of view, well, you should just respect the fact that Chang Wook wanted to play that role to show the audience what is he capable of and how he can interpret King Gogukcheon through this drama.
Based on historical facts, it's true that she might be a little younger than the age of the real queen at that time, but totally unsure.
Considering she married King Gogukcheon in 180 and he died in 197, they were married 17 years. She died in 234, so she was at least 54 years old, but her age at that time is unknown. Marriage often happened with young girls, just barely women (meaning able to have children), so from around 13 years old. Assuming she was married young, she could have been around 30 when King Gogukcheon died, or between 35/40 if she married him at an older age.
Goguryeo kings had concubines, but still, the queen was supposed to bare the heir if possible, so considering she remains queen after marrying King Sansang (King Gogukcheon's younger brother), despite not providing any heir during the 17 years of marriage with King Gogukcheon, it's possible she was still considered fertile (even if in the end they never had children together neither), so around 30/35.