kate_xulansis

You are basing grooming on the law, not on the impacts it has. you can be groomed even if you aren’t a minor. Grooming is not always illegal, but it does influence people and condition them. hence why, yes, if your adult siblings are teaching your younger neighbours and then becoming their lover later on when they become adults after many years, it is absolutely grooming. To say it’s not is overlooking everything that grooming means.

if you didn’t want to talk about the OG story, you shouldn’t have replied. Since the beginning, I have been talking about the story in terms of why the drama feels weird to me compared to the OG story. She isn’t 17 in the story, she is 13. And they didn’t change her maturity even though she is supposed to be 17. It feels like she’s emotionally stunted and it makes it weirder that he’s poking fun at her in flirty manners. in the OG story, they barely talk while she’s in high school and she’s way more mature. It isn’t until she’s 19 that they actually see each other a lot more.

I get that you want to defend the drama, but grooming is still grooming. Grooming isn’t always intentional. we often hear about the cases where it is intentional, but those aren’t all the cases out there. You are ignoring the entire definition of what grooming is and how it impacts the victim if you think it’s only about intention. learning from adults is obviously not the issue, the issue is when said adult becomes a lover after they’ve taught you. Even in this drama, the young girl is learning from him (an adult) throughout their time together. Even in the manga it’s acknowledged how it isn’t right for him to see her that way, but it’s a fictional love story so obviously he goes for it anyways.

If applied to real life, today ML would be labelled a creep. It might not be illegal, but it’s still grooming and morally messed up to date a kid who you met as an adult after watching them grow up.

psychological conditioning is just prolonged exposure. That’s why people get grossed out when they find out people who are in relationships that have a significant age gap are discovered to have met when the younger partner was a young teen when they first met their future partner who was already in their 20s or older. Even with no intentions, when a young person grows up around someone who is an adult already, they are going to look at them like a role model and be easily influenced by them. Which is what we can see in this story, where he keeps correcting her behaviour and she listens and is essentially shaped by his guidance and her want to impress or please him. When that person becomes a lover, it becomes a form of grooming even if there wasn’t any intention while doing it.

accidental grooming is when you grow up being taught by your future older partner. It just means there was no intention behind it, but it’s still not a good thing—psychological conditioning and all that fun stuff lol. And she’s 13 when they first meet in the manga, I just double checked. It time skips to her being in high school and chasing after him when she hears he has a gf. But all the scenes before occurred when she was in middle school and he was in 2nd year uni.

but my issue is with the immaturity in the series. Even though they jumped up her age, her maturity is the exact same as the scenes in the manga (her being 13 in the manga), and everyone in the series is also treating her the same way. it’s just not realistic.

I’ve only seen a few episodes, so maybe this only lasts a hot minute in the series buuuut

so in the manga, the girl is only 12 or 13 when she’s shown to be 17 in the series. Really glad they pushed the age up faster, but it feels so disjointed from reality when you watch a supposed 17 year old acting like how the 13 year old did in the manga (and the ML treating her the same way too). I just wish they could have changed the maturity levels too. Now instead of a 13 year old crushing on a guy who sees her as a little sister (and good ol’ accidental grooming 🤢), you have a dude (who is still too old for her) who should understand that poking fun at a 12/13 year old in that manner is completely different to ‘poking fun’ at a 17 year old whom you barely know (it’s just straight up flirting at that point). and an emotionally stunted 17 year old at that who is clearly crushing on you lol!

anyways, my favourite parts in the manga were the siblings relationship when she was younger, and the candy exchange always stole my heart. it’s what kept me reading despite worrying about the outcome of what would happen between the main two. (It was fine btw, they did a lot of time skips in the manga after the initial scenes).

true, but also this was a brother who didn’t grow up with her and no one really knew much about him. I mean, 20 years is A LOT of time to become someone completely different from when you were a kid. Trusting him when the FL is asleep when she is already so vulnerable, would be a bit unwise imo.

But in a normal scenario, people who feel uncomfortable about their kids being affectionate towards one another because they aren’t the same gender, are probably the issue. Innocence is ruined by those people and they themselves are more likely to create the scenario that they are fearing by making such things a big deal, and making the kids feel like it’s bound to happen if they are affectionate towards one another. Which gives me the major ick lol

I also want to add that I felt way more empathy for the ML’s best friend than I did for him when he was stabbed LOL! I really didn’t care if he died, I was just so concerned for the bestie who had to live with such horrible guilt. I REALLY thought he would be killed off, so him stabbing the ML instead was such a relief lmao.

Admittedly, this was a very enjoyable drama to watch. Weird at times, but very adorable. The only thing is, now that I’m finished it, im left with so many questions about what I just watched that I feel like it’s overshadowing the joy I felt watching it. This is confusing for me. But the logic to so much of that gambling storyline just doesn’t add up or is missing in explanations, conclusions, and context. So yeah, it was REALLY cute and such a lovely love story, but even at the end I felt like the audience was kicked out of the main characters’ lives—like we were no longer allowed in on their thoughts or feelings. maybe it’s just me, but I started by rating it a 8.5 but i keep getting more upset thinking about all those things left as a mystery. I think the best I can give to it now, is 7.5.

that being said, I don’t regret watching it and the love story alone was a really beautiful one. Just maybe forget about caring for the rest of the storyline lol

and that to me is a very reasonable critique lmao! Like not everyone is going to enjoy its speed and that’s absolutely valid. But to act surprised when a romcom has cliches going on 😆 it’s like… what exactly were you expecting?

Honestly, i had just watched a heavy show before and the speed and lightness of it was the perfect contrast, so maybe it’s just the timing that I started watching it that made it more enjoyable experience for me :)

I wasn’t trying to start an argument, I just thought your comment lacked context. You talked about luck, so I brought up demand. But of course there are many factors that can make businesses go down certain paths. Such as selling ideologies, or catering to the most powerful demographic (which is what you see with the poplar misogynistic things you mentioned).

The point is that there is a reason other than luck that romcoms are so popular. You and others might not enjoy those common tropes, but they are cliches for a reason. just like how McDonald’s is poplar due to it being on a global scale and being available to everyone thanks to it’s prices. Quality doesn’t always matter when there is a demand for it. Romcom dramas don’t always have to have the best quality, it sometimes just has to have those special things that people have been shown to enjoy (the demand = supply thing). You can argue how you and others don’t like it until you’re blue in the face, but it’s popular for a reason.

So if you put that logic onto cliche kdramas, it means cliche probably resonates with the majority. There’s probably some nostalgia at play which can be very dopamine giving lol which makes the majority of people demand it. Thus, entertainment businesses listen and now we have this and countless other romcoms like it which are very popular. Lots of people might complain, but considering how often cliche romcoms like this get aired, clearly the demand for them is still solidly there. Because at the end of the day, it’s all about making money and/or selling ideologies… and luck has very little to do with what is in demand and will receive the most capital or be viewed the most.

Psychologically, you’re missing key things. it’s not usually luck or fortune if there are popular tropes. Things trend because they resonate with the majority (think demand = supply, which entertainment businesses very much cater to). It’s not because people necessarily like it, it just means people connected with those storyline (which is obviously sad if it’s the r*pe situation that they connected to). Also another psychological reason, fear and excitement is very easy to confuse for one another. So if r*pe scares someone bad enough (could be due to personal experience or just because it’s scary to you), to cope with that fear your brain can turn it to excitement… which is why you have a lot of fetishes that are taboo, r*pe being one of the popular ones. Thus, shows that depict it can make people interested or even give them a dopamine rush even if they would never want something like that to happen in real life.

TLDR: businesses cater to the demand, not usually just luck.

Whenever a drama is airing, commenters always go to a weird morally high ground. it’s like because it’s airing it HAS to be amazing and completely original, or it’s a total let down. So if you read these comments, prepare to see a lot of people complaining about every romcom trope in said airing drama that has ever been done before. If you don’t like your typical romcom tropes, then this probably won’t be the drama for you, but that just means you aren’t the audience it’s catering to… so let’s not pretend it’s horrible because it uses tropes you personally don’t like.

At the end of the day, most romcom kdramas have a similar vibe to them. If you want to watch something completely different and original, don’t go with romcom lol just what I’ve found. Imo, this is a very cute and straightforward drama so far. if it was completely aired, I would have binge watched it. Could easily become a crowd favourite (if it keeps it up).

I’m so shocked at all the negative comments! this definitely gave me Forever Love vibes, so if you enjoy a more emotionally mature ML (I would say relationship, but FL isn’t emotionally mature lmao), I think you’d enjoy this one. It’s not a possessive or controlling or rushed love, it’s a slow burn that is kind and understanding and sweet. If you like tension and drama, this one isn’t really for you. The last three episodes are really the only dramatic thing (which personally I disliked, but the last episode made up for it). Also, yes SML is a sweetheart and could easily be the lead, but I think it’s what makes the main couple even better. the fact that there is a man without any flaws that wants FL. The idea that someone has to be flawed to get rejected is so overdone and kinda boring.

TLDR: this drama is an easy and light watch that melts slowly but satisfactorily… kind of like ice cream. So if you enjoy exciting or toxic or dramatic dramas over something sweet, this probably isn’t for you. :)

OMG THE WRITERS ARE SO MEAN FOR FOOLING US LIKE THAT. I was an absolute mess, crying and yelling at the writers. I would have been so mad if they didn’t come back with that ending. It was a definite laugh in my face, but I’m so happy to be laughed at in comparison.

But seriously, that was just CRUEL. I’m still crying over it.

I went in knowing that the ending wasn’t satisfactory, so I pretty much guessed what was going to go down and thus wasn’t really let down. Nonetheless, it still WAS disappointing that they disgraced everything that they built in a way that felt a bit heart breaking. That being said, the building of all the relationships and people was a really fun and good watch so I don’t regret it.

Just go into it knowing you’ll want a better ending.

He’s going to be left with no one by the end lol. Love that for the main female lead 👏🏼

1000% thankfully the last episode seems somewhat hopeful that the mother is finally going to give up In Ho!

I agree when it's about grown adults with the brain development to acknowledge these things, however since she is still a kid (in high-school no less, when the part in your brain taking note of consequences is still under development and thus you end up making some stupid decisions every once and awhile), these things are a bit out of reach when *really* big emotions are involved. Control on emotions like that comes with time and experience and literal brain development, especially when you have no great role models to show you what that control looks like.

Psychology isn't always fair to innocent people around those who are hurting, but unless someone actively gets her help or she learns healthy tactics to place the anger, it's just going to get worse until she breaks and develops a coping mechanism instead (normally not a healthy one if she's not getting help from anyone) OR is forcefully removed from the situation. Projection is really terrible, but kids need someone to guide them out of unhealthy habits. So blaming her at the end of the day wont help the situation, just make it worse for her psychologically (even if she's scared or threatened into not hurting others, she will only hurt herself instead). Kids like that need someone to take control in a way that aids them both physically and psychologically, and that's by listening and giving her different methods to vent out her emotions--not by making her out to be a bad kid or blame her for everything that she's experiencing. Labels like that breed the behaviour you want to stop. Hopefully her mother smartens up and realizes her daughter should come first before anything else and get her the heck out of that situation so she can learn how to properly regulate herself.

Jealousy and anger, I'd imagine. I can't imagine what kind of toll it would take on a child (or even a grown person) to know that they will always be second place or less to someone who is supposed to love and protect you. And then to have to see that first place family for yourself everyday or so.... her mom did a terrible and selfish thing to her by moving them where the dad was (although i'm sure the mom truly thought he'd step up and help for whatever delusional reason). And on top of that, you also have to watch the one person who does love and protect you, be hurt over and over again by them all. I don't blame her for her aggressiveness or bad behaviour, without proper healing a kid can't be expected to take all that on without lashing out inappropriately.