My first time ever to comment on this website Let’s talk about this without fighting, alright? LolSo, this is…
I agree with a lot of this. I think that's why it's so frustrating for many of us in the audience, but also what keeps us on the edge of our seats. The mystery can be exciting, but it can also be frustrating. We, like Nabi, don't have a clue about his past or what he's thinking. So when she makes the decisions she does, it's hard to empathize (but we're not head over heels in love with him since we know this is fiction).
Thats exactly the problem with this drama. You were able to provide so many good things about the PJE, yet only…
I agree with this. We don't really know who Nabi is. I don't know if she even knows herself at this point. But she's figuring it out slowly but surely. And like you said, you at least know that she loves PJE.
The ending is like eating ice-cream🍦…you know it’s not good for you but you will still do it! Something…
This! In real life we're not always rational, and can get carried away with our emotions. They do like each other, but are still a bit scared to get hurt. Like you, I'd be curious to see if they can learn to trust and make it work.
' I think the word " toxic " is being used too loosely here . They're two young college students trying to figure…
This comment is perfect. Thank you for posting and articulating so well. I agree it was told beautifully and neither character is bad, although both flawed. (But arent we all?!) She followed her heart, and decided to take a chance.
I especially liked your last sentence. I feel like you grasped the same meaning/message from the show that I did - to have us all reflect on what love is and what it means to us. Everyone is going to see it different, and that's how it should be, because it's a very personal concept. But I'm glad to know that others have a similar image of love as I do.
In reality, people like Jae Eon don't change like that. It's so cheap that they made his character turn suddenly…
While a lot don't, some people do. :) I know a few personally. Whether it be a particular moment in their life, being young and dumb, or maybe their were never really "bad" and just went through a bad time and handled it poorly.
people keep saying this is different. this is realistic. you know what else is more realistic? MOVING ON. coz…
This is true. But not all relationships are rainbows and butterflies. It's also true that some people make bad decisions, and stay in relationships where they'll only wind up getting hurt. Both of these exist in the world, and many people will experience both within their lifetime. Most dramas focus on the former happy relationships (because isn't that what we're all watching for 😍), but not many storytellers focus on those other relationships. They can be equally passionate and memorable/meaningful with completely different endings, just perhaps for a different audience.
Unpopular opinion: But I thought Na Bi was just as “toxic” as Jae Eon, the writer just made his toxicity more…
Agreed. We saw this from Nabi's perspective so we tend to victimize her as an audience (every person sees their own story that way, has a hard time admitting their responsibility in their own pain). But she's not necessarily a victim here, and Jae Eon is not necessarily some manipulative abuser. They're two immature college kids learning how to love and express their feelings, and enjoy life. She is a grown adult (although maybe immature) and perfectly capable of making her own decisions. They were thought through decisions as well, as demonstrated by her narrative thoughts. She was not manipulated or victimized.
I didnt see the webtoon for this show, but from what I've read in the comments you really don't get any of Jae Eon's perspective there. I liked that this show brought some of that in, but I want more!
I really don't think Jae Eon is a bad guy, and would be really interested in seeing this same story retold from Jae Eon's point of view. To learn more about his background and why he's so afraid to be vulnerable. To hear his thoughts when he fatedly bumps into Nabi again, when he gets rejected by her in the pouring rain, when she meets his ex, she hides out at her aunt's, wakes up next to her in the morning, does the dishes in her kitchen, or pours his heart and soul into a butterfly art piece/jewelry for her.
I want to know what he's thinking and feeling, because boy-oh-boy are his communication skills immature and subpar.
I'm in my late 30s, so might have a different perspective than the majority here, but I actually really liked this show and thought it was very realistic. I don't think this is toxic at all, in fact I think it's beautiful. Read on for my explanation why.
People are flawed, we can be emotional and irrational. And that's okay. That's part of growing up. This is the age to make be vulnerable, take those risks, and make mistakes - that's how you grow, figure out who you are, and what you like. It's okay to sometimes do things because you really just want to - who knows you may end up falling even more in love and not getting hurt. That said, the relationships that hurt the most are the ones in which you loved the most. I'd rather get hurt from loving than from being too afraid. I'd rather get my adrenaline from a magical romance full of beautiful memories as opposed to 15 minutes of skydiving. That's just me though.
The reason I liked the ending is because they both went into the relationship on the same page this time, and with a better understanding of each other, themselves, and hopefully some better communication. It was clear they both really liked each other, so I was annoyed that they didn't communicate better for pretty much the whole season. So it was redemptive to see that they'd matured, learned from their mistakes, and were willing to be vulnerable and try again. Because if it does work out, it just might be perfect.
Really didn't enjoy this series. Usually would've dropped but I was really bored and the whole thing is less than 5 hrs.
Warning: lots of spoilers below, although i don't really feel like there was much to spoil since there was so little plot.
Usually I'd be annoyed when a show is cheesy and overly dramatic. The problem with this show is the opposite - it had no drama, despite having plenty of ample opportunity. There was so little drama it actually made the plot seem less realistic.
For example, in a single 25 min episode we see the main character kidnapped and almost molested before being rescued right away. We never saw the kidnapping, no idea who kidnapped her, no explanation on how her bf knew she was kidnapped and was able to find her (within 2 minutes of her gaining consciousness). And then there was not even a single conversation about the trauma of being kidnapped and almost molested. It's like as soon as she was arrested no one ever talked about it again. It's not unusual for tv shows to treat each episode as an independent story. But to not even wrap up the story within the episode makes no sense to me. Just makes every storyline surface level, unrealistic, incomplete, and just overall unsatisfactory. I'm not even frustrated that story lines were never closed out or addressed, because it was was impossible to become invested in a storyline when there was so little development.
Other issues: I didn't like main female character's weak personality. It is not uncommon for a show to have a weak femal lead. It's not my favorite trope, but usually won't ruin a show for me. Usually when the character recognizes she is weak she attempts to mature or get stronger. In this show however, she says she wants to be stronger and doesnt want to rely on her bf, but ultimately never follows through on any of it. Let's return to kidnapping scene from before as an example. Before kidnapping scene, her bf's secretary said that she needed to be strong because it could be dangerous for her. Then next scene, she's laying tied up in a room with her kidnapper (whoever he is) about to rape her and she thinks back to that moment about how she needs to be strong and take care of herself if she wants to be with her bf because of his high profile nature. Then after 60 seconds and literally no effort on her part, her boyfriend magically appears and rescues her. Litte to no struggle involved. He then gets hit with a bat, but no worries only minor injuries. So I'm wondering what was the point of the flashback to the scene where she decides she needs to be strong if she ends up getting rescued anyway and never fought back. I'd almost they'd rather let her own up to being a meek dependent woman instead of showing her desire to change but never actually giving her the opportunity to change.
Other issues: had first kiss and sex in same night after knowing boy less than 24 hrs despite being timid. Her best friend ended up dating another guy who tried to molest her. She ends up taking job at the molesters restaurant despite his continued advances, but then you never hear of job again after 1 episode. His hand was cut from holding knife blade when trying to save her, but he never even wore a band-aid (injury was never even acknowledged).
Missed opportunities for drama in storyline: there's a kidnapping, 1 hospital scene, stalker/knife fight scene, gay secretary who secretly loves his boss, crazy mother in law, male lead's bad boy past, how did he become a ceo at such a young age, sweet boy who has a crush on her, secretary moves in with them (but you never actually see him living there and there's no mention of him moving out), he gets a cold, she is told that this other woman is her fiance's wife but that's all there was to that storyline, why are the two guys enemies but then all of a sudden amicable by end, why did she acknowledge him after turning down all other suitors, her lack of relationship or intimacy experience, every issue was resolved in 5 minutes
I think this show could've had potential if episodes were 1 hr each or if they introduced fewer story lines.
I especially liked your last sentence. I feel like you grasped the same meaning/message from the show that I did - to have us all reflect on what love is and what it means to us. Everyone is going to see it different, and that's how it should be, because it's a very personal concept. But I'm glad to know that others have a similar image of love as I do.
I really don't think Jae Eon is a bad guy, and would be really interested in seeing this same story retold from Jae Eon's point of view. To learn more about his background and why he's so afraid to be vulnerable. To hear his thoughts when he fatedly bumps into Nabi again, when he gets rejected by her in the pouring rain, when she meets his ex, she hides out at her aunt's, wakes up next to her in the morning, does the dishes in her kitchen, or pours his heart and soul into a butterfly art piece/jewelry for her.
I want to know what he's thinking and feeling, because boy-oh-boy are his communication skills immature and subpar.
People are flawed, we can be emotional and irrational. And that's okay. That's part of growing up. This is the age to make be vulnerable, take those risks, and make mistakes - that's how you grow, figure out who you are, and what you like. It's okay to sometimes do things because you really just want to - who knows you may end up falling even more in love and not getting hurt. That said, the relationships that hurt the most are the ones in which you loved the most. I'd rather get hurt from loving than from being too afraid. I'd rather get my adrenaline from a magical romance full of beautiful memories as opposed to 15 minutes of skydiving. That's just me though.
The reason I liked the ending is because they both went into the relationship on the same page this time, and with a better understanding of each other, themselves, and hopefully some better communication. It was clear they both really liked each other, so I was annoyed that they didn't communicate better for pretty much the whole season. So it was redemptive to see that they'd matured, learned from their mistakes, and were willing to be vulnerable and try again. Because if it does work out, it just might be perfect.
Warning: lots of spoilers below, although i don't really feel like there was much to spoil since there was so little plot.
Usually I'd be annoyed when a show is cheesy and overly dramatic. The problem with this show is the opposite - it had no drama, despite having plenty of ample opportunity. There was so little drama it actually made the plot seem less realistic.
For example, in a single 25 min episode we see the main character kidnapped and almost molested before being rescued right away. We never saw the kidnapping, no idea who kidnapped her, no explanation on how her bf knew she was kidnapped and was able to find her (within 2 minutes of her gaining consciousness). And then there was not even a single conversation about the trauma of being kidnapped and almost molested. It's like as soon as she was arrested no one ever talked about it again. It's not unusual for tv shows to treat each episode as an independent story. But to not even wrap up the story within the episode makes no sense to me. Just makes every storyline surface level, unrealistic, incomplete, and just overall unsatisfactory. I'm not even frustrated that story lines were never closed out or addressed, because it was was impossible to become invested in a storyline when there was so little development.
Other issues: I didn't like main female character's weak personality. It is not uncommon for a show to have a weak femal lead. It's not my favorite trope, but usually won't ruin a show for me. Usually when the character recognizes she is weak she attempts to mature or get stronger. In this show however, she says she wants to be stronger and doesnt want to rely on her bf, but ultimately never follows through on any of it. Let's return to kidnapping scene from before as an example. Before kidnapping scene, her bf's secretary said that she needed to be strong because it could be dangerous for her. Then next scene, she's laying tied up in a room with her kidnapper (whoever he is) about to rape her and she thinks back to that moment about how she needs to be strong and take care of herself if she wants to be with her bf because of his high profile nature. Then after 60 seconds and literally no effort on her part, her boyfriend magically appears and rescues her. Litte to no struggle involved. He then gets hit with a bat, but no worries only minor injuries. So I'm wondering what was the point of the flashback to the scene where she decides she needs to be strong if she ends up getting rescued anyway and never fought back. I'd almost they'd rather let her own up to being a meek dependent woman instead of showing her desire to change but never actually giving her the opportunity to change.
Other issues: had first kiss and sex in same night after knowing boy less than 24 hrs despite being timid. Her best friend ended up dating another guy who tried to molest her. She ends up taking job at the molesters restaurant despite his continued advances, but then you never hear of job again after 1 episode. His hand was cut from holding knife blade when trying to save her, but he never even wore a band-aid (injury was never even acknowledged).
Missed opportunities for drama in storyline: there's a kidnapping, 1 hospital scene, stalker/knife fight scene, gay secretary who secretly loves his boss, crazy mother in law, male lead's bad boy past, how did he become a ceo at such a young age, sweet boy who has a crush on her, secretary moves in with them (but you never actually see him living there and there's no mention of him moving out), he gets a cold, she is told that this other woman is her fiance's wife but that's all there was to that storyline, why are the two guys enemies but then all of a sudden amicable by end, why did she acknowledge him after turning down all other suitors, her lack of relationship or intimacy experience, every issue was resolved in 5 minutes
I think this show could've had potential if episodes were 1 hr each or if they introduced fewer story lines.