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I guess William is incapable of saying he is not interested face to face, he just knows how to ghost people.

Beacuse they are people who like to take things slower and build the mental/spiritual relationship first. Not everyone is a f*ckboy like William.

Huwei's mother was just in shock cause she heard it for the first time. Huwei told already before that she wished for like atleast 5 grandchildren. Since the mother said that the fact that Huwei is her child will still never change means that she already strated to accept it. Many times it is not so much the parents not accepting the sexuality of their child but rather being afraid how difficult their life will be in the society. And speacially for those who are the only children the burden of not giving grandchildren can be heavy. I am the older sister in our family and my mother kept pushing me to marry and have children untill my little sister did, then she left me be. Just having my sister's first child being born and everything changed. She has not asked me about marriage and kids even once more after that.

In my opinion Hiroya meant all the substance use, hooking up, f*cking aroung what is going on in the gay clubs, bath houses etc.not only in Japan but all over the world. He is sensitive and wants to protect himself from that. Tomoaki just lacking selfesteem and can't take it that someone is different.

It was a beautifully made movie, but for me it reminded me mostly of my cousin who after years of drug use went into psychosis and got diagnosed with schizophrenia caused by the heavy drug use. He never recovered from it. All his life ruined. What a waist of a beautifull human life. I could say the same here.

BTW, was this based on the true story since there was the dates with the name Kafka Tam in the end??

I know some older gay men who have spent their youth in these surroundigs which are much about substance use and hooking up, f*cking around etc. and later in life they have realized how much it broke them inside eventhough when young it felt like "fun". (Like clubs, bath houses etc. and the same stuff happens in every country from US, Asia to Europe.) So Hiroya wanting to protect himself from that and avoiding those circles and places should be appreciated more. Gay people are as diverse in nature as straight people they are just too often stereotyped into certain boxes.

I have no idea why I feel so strongly about this that I want to comment this here, but the situation where Tomoaki made Hiroya cry just because of his own low self esteem felt so unfair for Hiroya.

My personal example is this: I am a Nordic, non-Jewish person, but I lived in the past in Israel cause I had an Israelian Jewish boyfriend. The past few years when ever I have mentioned this - and the fact that I really loved my time there and the (Jewish) people around me - to some new people I have met, I have mostly gotten hate and dislike because of that. Like I am a bad person talking positive things about Israel. But am I offendend?? Does it hurt my feelings? Do I stop? Ofcourse not! It is my life and my experience, these people know nothing about it and most of them never been to Israel anyway.

So in my opinion the situation did not happen beacause of Hiroya but because of Tomoaki's own self hate. He should work more on himself insted of blaming other people.

I am celebrating, my wishes were heard: William (and Izaya) leaving the place! Hopefully finally the rest of them get more screening time!!

(Last season I did not have anyone I disliked, bit this time W.. I really could not watch him.)

I love Jobu, he is so funny. I hope he was my friend. He'd surely be up to trying all kinds of crazy stuff. (And I am NOT talking about drugs or stuff like that..)

There are two lines for the same story: The first line is with when Great is able to see 4 minutes into the future, so he is able to change his actions based on seeing the possible outcome first. The second line is when he is not able to see into the near future so things just happen and he has to live with those cosequenses. I have not wathed the last episode yet, so I will edit this if there is something special there.

Most likely a narcissist. They are usually incapable of feeling empathy towards others and everything is about "poor me me me and my emotions". And always wanting to get positive attention.

I don't see anything genuine about William. All his actions are fake. Would be nice to be wrong, but I am quite sure that he will just go through this show and then it will be over with Izaya.

No matter what kind of trauma you have it is never an acceptable excuse to be an as*hole and treat other people badly. Go to teraphy and deal with it there instead of causing traumas to other people.

Sounds like you are trying to explain your own bad behavior through Willam's.. There is no acceptable reason to treat other people badly. It is pure selfisness.

Yes. Even just touch his arm and show that you listened to what he said and that you care!

You are right. For me the final moment was when in the bus Izaya was telling William about her mother's death and how it affected him permanently and he was crying and William did not comfort him at all. He was just staring out of the window, no sign of empathy on his face or in his actions. Like if you compare it to the last season and how Dai started to cry when Shun told him, he did not have a family and that he grew up in an institution. (That is empathy.)

Like how cold and unempathetic person can you be to not to show any comforting reaction when someone tells you they lost a person that was so meaningfull to them??

Exactly my thoughts. He is too dangerous for Izaya who is a sensitive person and seeking a real serious relationship.

And the thing that Kazuki said they broke up not so long ago after dating for 15 years and then he told at the food truck that his dog died last year at the age of 15. So he both broke up with his ex and lost his dog around the same time. I really felt bad for him. But the fact that he is thinking back the past years with his ex and goes trough the things that happened is also a form of therapy and helps to let go. Maybe he was not even ready for a new relationship yet and needed to do this first to really let go of the past and look into the future with a clear heart.

BTW, I think he said they broke up because after all those years there was no spark left anymore.. Like staying together was more like a habit or a routine.

I think William is just super selfish. He is all the time saying how HE got traumatized, but he was the one who ghosted Izaya before and said he was meeting so many people at the time he could not even remember Izaya that well. So he must have done that a lot (meeting and ghosting people). When Izaya told him in the buss that his mother had died and was crying a lot, William was just staring out of the window and did NOT comfort Izaya at all. Zero empathy was found on his face or in his actions. Then when they were talking about cheating, I think he said he kissed another guy while dating someone and then when that someone found out about it he cheated Willam really hard. And again William got tramatized. He said it was not his fault cause I guess kissing in his head was not cheating, but if that kissing hurt his ex so much that he ended up cheating William as a revenge, then ofcourse it was Williams fault and he started it. Seems like he has no ability to selfreflecting and everything is about HIS feelings. He needs assurance from Izaya eventhough Izaya was the one he ghosted before. So traumatized so traumatized.

(And I can tell you I was groomed and r*ped in the past by a man who convinced me he was a normal good person so I know what having a trauma means.)

And I am personally in love with Huwei now.. He is so adorable. Like a big panda. A bit slow but gentle and when wanting to say something, so carefully forming his words and always something interesting comes out, I would want to hear more of.

The latest time Bomi and Huwei were working in the cafe truck I was like how come Bomi did not even once ask if he could hug Huwei from the back. I mean if I was there I would most defenetly wanted to do a back hug while Huwei was working on something. The a bit cramped truck was just a perfect place for such.

But I do like Bomi too. He is cute and funny with his reactions, so I do hope their relationship grows and they end up together for real.

I have only watched the ep 1 so far, but I wanted to write this here to see, if my hunch is right or if I am complitely wrong: I don't think this guy William is for a real serious relationship, he is most likely a player and a f*ck boy. The way he talked about marriage: "I would like to get married cause it would be fun to call someone 'my husband'.." If you compare it to Shun from the season 1, he said he wanted to get married and grow old with the same person. Atleast in the west there is this type of gay men who just want to get married to have a huge wedding party to their friends and it is all just for the show. It is not for the life long commitment (like Dai and Shun). I am quite sure William is this type. Just wants to have fun and F around and in the end he is dangerous for those sensitive boys who will get their hearts broken because of him.

Edit: After 5 episodes I still have not changed my mind. He is a smooth talker, but I don't find him genuine at all. (Also in the end of the 6th episode Izaya told him about his mother's death and was crying and William was just staring somewhere out of the window NOT comforting him at all. Not showing any empathy what so ever. I am afraid Izaya is going to get his heart broken again.)

After ep 9, I still am not convinced. William is a smooth talker and everything seems to always be somebody elses fault. Like he was the one who ghosted Izaya and could not even remember him well. He must have doen that a lot. Also when they were talking about cheating, he told that he was the one who kissed another guy while in a relationship with someone and then when that someone found out and as a revenge cheated on him really bad William said it was not his fault, but his ex's and he got traumatized by that. But even if it was only a kiss, if it hurt his ex, then it was his fault, he started it. I think he is VERY selfcentered and not empathetic at all. It is all about HIS feelings. Not the other peoples'.

It had a common start, then three different possible life outcomes (different universes) for the same person in three different locations (Busan, Seoul and Daegu), yet all those outcomes ended the same way: No matter how his life went, what decisions he made, they always ended with meeting up again with that long lost friend.