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Replying to DahliaLance Oct 4, 2017
I didn't get far today. New Criminal Minds episode,upload Together With Me; I watched episode 8 of Beloved…
Aw~ Yeah, I suppose it would be a rare husband indeed that you could enjoy it with. At least there is that though! Probably still plenty of fun selections to choose from, like that. :-)

I've heard of China's censorship making things difficult for other things too, but they really do seem to have a particularly extra beef against the gay stuff for sure, sadly. :'{
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Replying to DahliaLance Oct 4, 2017
I didn't get far today. New Criminal Minds episode,upload Together With Me; I watched episode 8 of Beloved…
Well, then the tv series likely was meant to be too(if the original novel it's based on was), but ..mainland China censorship. Unfortunately. Makes that immensely difficult, right now; I don't mind the focus being more on the relationship itself than on anything else though, more often than not I'd personally rather see a strong or compelling relationship than plotless sex anyway(I mean why else watch BL & not just gay porn?). Lol I will certainly check the radio drama out too, one of these days, though! Maybe next week, if I'm not as busy working as I am this week. :-)

I've been meaning to look the novel up myself too, so it's good to know the radio drama sticks so close to it, and with voices sounding like the tv series' cast is also a plus in my book! Thanks!
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Replying to Renkun27 Oct 2, 2017
Is this based on a novel?
I'd like to know if it is or not, too! ^^
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Replying to laAKU Oct 2, 2017
I'm just wondering how much the apparent lack of any "real BL" in this is an actual lack of it and…
((I'm 7 episodes into the series now, and I personally feel kinda like people who don't see the BL in this are crazy! Loll There is more to intimate love & relationships than just big blatant declarations of it OR kissing or any other physical aspects, and in my opinion this series has that 'more' to it in spades!!! It's important to remember, I think, that China currently bans showing any [allegedly ]"abnormal" sexuality or whatever on tv AND that BL is actually a term which includes more than just explicit yaoi...it also includes shounen-ai.))
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Replying to sarang Oct 1, 2017
I wasn't sure if this one was going to air or not but I'm glad it did. It doesn't look like China…
Agreed! Yeah, if they can make it focus on something more or other than just the "abnormal"((the ban's word, not mine; making it also applicable to hetero rape scenes, and possibly even to threesomes or polyamory)) sexual-side of it OR keep it more implied than overtly shown or declared, then it seems it can still just narrowly squeak through. But, unfortunately, a lot of people turn around then and sweepingly claim it isn't enough to count as BL at all anymore -- which I can understand a little bit on the one hand, yet also have to be somewhat skeptical of concurring completely with myself at the same time...because the ban/censorship is such a huge factor to consider there when weighing it, honestly. On the flip-side, though, I think this has actually miraculously managed to increase the number of actually happy conclusions though!! Loll

I think watching "Till Death Tear Us Apart"{ but knowing from trailers & behind-the-scenes clips & such from before the delays of its release where certain things were missing} and watching the deleted scenes from "Advance Bravely" to see exactly what all was or wasn't cut has given me a pretty good grasp on where that gap/line is drawn, for now, though.
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Replying to DahliaLance Oct 1, 2017
I didn't get far today. New Criminal Minds episode,upload Together With Me; I watched episode 8 of Beloved…
LOL I watch Criminal Minds(& Together With Me) too! & I totally did the same thing, switching from Asian Bromance to Orange Biscuit for that very reason, as well~ ^-^ I also ended up having to go back & rewatch, like, episodes 3-through-6[ or so] once...because whatever version I started watching with had uploaded an edited version that combined some scenes from multiple different episodes altogether and left a lot of other scenes out. Loll
Those side-stories are a riot, for sure{!}; some of them quite delightful, but some of them bordering almost on mildly disturbing.! (Unless that's just me.) Lolll!

Thank you for reminding me that I've been meaning to check the translation of the radio show out too!! (Was I right about probably censorship making it so tame & ambiguous in tv series form then? Loll) And please forgive my much delayed reply here, I had some technical difficulties with my device and couldn't charge it for a little while so I couldn't get on to reply or anything before.
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Replying to laAKU Oct 1, 2017
I pretty much completely agree with you! but. .also .. I have seen the whole series, though only up to ep.13 with…
Oh, good! I'm glad to hear that! Hopefully you are able to enjoy it and it doesn't disappoint you then! :-)
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Replying to 263628 Oct 1, 2017
I just wanna warn anyone expecting BL, that you won't really get any of that. :/ You won't even see…
Well, was it actually advertised as BL by the production crew or whoever, like ...officially? OR..was it mostly just by over-eager fan hopefuls? Lol
(I'm genuinely curious here; because I often don't myself actively keep up with how things are always actively officially promoted or not.^-^)

If it wasn't just fans, then...the lack of overtness about it is probably just due to the current state of censorship, I'd suspect.

Still, a fair warning, though. Thank you!~ ^^
Although..personally, I don't actually need characters to always or even primarily share scenes together anyhow if they are still often thinking of or motivated in their choice of actions or whatever by their regard &/or concern for each other and such even when not in a scene together OR if they're shown actively influenced by the things they have said to each other or overheard each other saying to others or have specifically asked each other to do or to-not-do or whatnot in the few scenes they DID/DO have together even when they're not seen together or not often otherwise seen together; & I don't even need them to necessarily always or primarily be thinking about each other whenever they aren't around each other either IF they are still particularly moved by such for/with each other the moment whenever they do actually interact or think of each other, and especially if they do from time to time still think of each other at all( let alone in such a significant fashion) even when they can't presently see each other. and How frequently it's actually shown or not on-screen doesn't really matter(especially if they're not really shown doing the same in quite the same way for anyone else). I mean,[ yaoi isn't the only form of BL there is in the world anyway....And] what good{in reality} is a relationship that only matters if you're actually literally present together at the same time in the same room, or if you have to be always actively thinking of it specifically?? But, also, what good is any other relationship if it is completely overshadowed or eclipsed the moment a certain someone else walks in or pops up in mind? Loll!
A relationship in my opinion only functions{ healthily} if it is present both in closeness & in distance from it -- AND only if it can exist simultaneously alongside any other personal connections presently made in your life at that time and despite actually engaging sometimes in other things in the world whether for work or for fun or such. Like .. The same way how caring for a love or lover of yours doesn't/shouldn't make you cease to care about friends or family(your children, parents, siblings, etc.) too, and how caring for friends &/or family doesn't/shouldn't make you care any less for your love/lover: both loves/feelings can or should-be able to exist simultaneously alongside each other inside a person's heart/mind.

And - Personally - I can actually appreciate the presence of a good relationship as much if not even MORE than I can appreciate any actual kissing or sex scenes or skinship or whatever and perhaps even than any scenes of outright declarations of feelings or love or desire or whatnot betwixt characters; and where any or all of that fails, well, that's in fact exactly what fanfiction & the freedom to imagine ships based on chemistry or subtext or such Or even just on one's own personal desire or wishful-thinking or whatever is invented for{ !} regardless of whatever that ship's canon state is or isn't. :-) Lool

But, That's just me, of course. I can't speak for anyone else. So I can definitely see why this warning is still a good thing to have.

((Sorry, this comment got unintentionally SO long!!!!???? Hopefully it made sense!. Lol))
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On The Fairy Fox Oct 1, 2017
I'm just wondering how much the apparent lack of any "real BL" in this is an actual lack of it and how much is just due to the increased censorship this past year or two? Anyone care to hazard a helpful guess for me, here{?}, So I can get a better idea of what I'm really in store for or not with this series? ^-^ Loll
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Replying to DahliaLance Sep 20, 2017
I understand why some people are unhappy with this one but I love the story. I just started it, I watched episode…
Aw~ I think that's as beautiful a reason to love BL as any ! :-)
And don't worry, my lips are sealed; I won't spoil it for you!

I think it's also a little more difficult to find a little more "organic" and a little less fetishized yuri or such than it is to find in BL, honestly? I'm a woman too, and my mother raised me to so-to-speak answer to the biological prerogative too but for me I've found the path of least resistance actually doesn't precisely conform to that or any particular box/label, so discovering BL(and the vast & varied BL fans/fandom) as I was growing up helped me learn that there really was more to the world than just my mother's way of it so I didn't have to feel so much like a total rebel just for approaching things my own way when I'm not really a particularly rebellious sort of person myself!. Lol

Let me know when you do finish it, and we can talk more about exactly how BL you personal think 'Beloved Enemy' was or not yourself in the end & why or why-not then, if you like? Loll

I hope you continue to enjoy it! I know I, at least, certainly did. ^-^
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Replying to DahliaLance Sep 19, 2017
I understand why some people are unhappy with this one but I love the story. I just started it, I watched episode…
I pretty much completely agree with you! but. .also .. I have seen the whole series, though only up to ep.13 with Eng subs so far, and to me it actually seems very much like BL(though perhaps of a more "grown-up" take on a more shounen-ai type variety of it or whatever than a fully-consummated yaoi or whatnot)...only hampered very much[ probably] by the current state of China's content censorship. I won't go into any more details about it than that right now though, to avoid spoiling you, unless you want me to. But if you can appreciate that BL is / can-be more than just the physical-aspects of it, and/or if you enjoy character-depth & story & good acting with great chemistry on screen either way - and/or are informed about the current state of content censorship in China specifically as it pertains to BL especially and don't mind things being left a little more "implied.. but 'open-to-interpretation'" or such, then ..I don't personally think there's really anything to be disappointed in with 'Beloved Enemy' in that case. ..It's just about approaching it with the right mindset/expectations, really. :-}
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Replying to WendyAms Sep 19, 2017
Its more than bromance but less than BL. Like two homoromantic heterosexuals in a relationship.
Right?! Soo true ! . Lol
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Replying to WendyAms Sep 16, 2017
Title Beloved Enemy Spoiler
Its more than bromance but less than BL. Like two homoromantic heterosexuals in a relationship.
I always felt like the reason for his divorce and why he 'never loved her' or whatever was actually not just because he was a workaholic. Loll
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Replying to Reman Sep 16, 2017
Such a disappointment. I hate queerbaiting the most. Dont advertise shows as BL then divert to bromance. I hate…
I feel you; but, at the same time, they probably couldn't release it in China right now at all if they had made that line much more obviously crossed.
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hallyuholicmom Aug 23, 2016
Okay, okay....I get what you were trying to do here, and on the one hand I respect that. ...BUT .. If you don't want the negative connotation, just don't use the word "pedo", which is actually not just the sexual attraction-toward or sexual conduct-with someone who is younger than yourself but to someone who is specifically prepubescent. (Which is typically someone who, psychologically, does not yet FULLY understand what sexual desire or sexual activity is OR is not, and who even if or when they can or do is generally not physically developed enough to experience it fully or to experience it without literal physical damage potentially being inflicted upon them in result -- and hence where the "inappropriate" part of the definition comes in to play.) At best, it doesn't just mean sexual attraction toward someone "younger than oneself" but toward someone "younger than the age of majority and/or consent" -- which is something you can in most places literally go to jail for, never-mind the big moral debate. It's not funny, it's not cute, and it's not something anyone should just "joke"-around about; it's not really something you can play fast and loose with the meaning of, and if you do so anyhow then I think it reflects a certain level of cavalier psychological immaturity that is rather worrisome -- there are other words to describe what you're actually talking about here, so why don't people find a way to work one of those into a compound or composite word instead. "Pedo" doesn't just come from a word for a serious psychological or psychiatric condition, it is a word that was applied to that particular condition because of the actual meanings of the word-parts themselves which had existed for centuries beforehand; it comes from a Greek prefix specifically meaning "child" NOT "younger", and it's not something that in the context or sexual conduct should ever be construed in any way as a good thing, especially not just because some people would rather use words incorrectly or "loosely" than bother making appropriate distinctions betwixt themselves and potential ACTUAL pedonoonas who are actually quite horrifying to think about. Secondly, just because it makes someone feel happy doesn't automatically mean it's okay or healthy...stabbing someone to death could make somebody feel happy everyday but that wouldn't make it right or okay to just go around stabbing people. Yes, I realize this post was made years ago and I am sorry for commenting on it this many years late though I never happened across it before now, but it's better late than never they say and I feel like this is an ever-so incredibly IMPORTANT distinction to make....if only for anyone else who may, like me, stumble across this years later. Now, that being said, I am absolutely NOT dissing on hallyu-fandom or on being an older-aged fan[I know grandmas who are fans and I don't have a problem with it] nor am I dissing on the attraction of a person to someone younger than theirself generally...I don't have any problem with hallyu( as I am also a k-music and k-movie&tv fan myself) or with still being a fan once you're no longer a teenager or young-adult NOR with age-gaps. ..for the most part...but "pedo-" specifically I do have a problem with, in this particular context, and I don't think it should ever be used so lightly or in any way that could belittle the gravity of pedophilia or even of hebephilia. Even if the child is a Korean entertainment "star", engaging in sexual activities with them - even just in your mind - is really not okay. Now, if you could tell me the term hadn't come into being because of any similarity-to or association with pedophilia and instead referred to a "noona" possessing good, positive, childlike-qualities or something..that would be another story....But you can't truthfully say that. So...Unless you are forever going to surround the word "pedo" in quotes intended to indicate joking or sarcasm, like ' "pedo"-noona ' or such[ -- and even then], I would think twice before using it because you can't actually legitimately say that the negative connotations are completely unfounded nor that what the connotations imply isn't an actual and legitimate concern that exists in the world, whether you've actually personally been guilty of it or not; and if you HAVEN'T been guilty of it, WHY would you wittingly label yourself as if you are.
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