Perhaps I felt it was addressed to me, because it said "you" multiple times.
I also have never objected to Joryenai's posts in general, only her explicit comments, which I do not think you should be defending (your comments about analogy were a defense of her explicit comments) given that 1) they were not addressed to you, and 2) the admins have already made the judgement that it was not appropriate on this page.
To be honest, you’re not someone I particularly want to talk to, given our past exchanges. However, because I feel very strongly that there is no justification for Joryenai’s comment (I now believe she meant no harm, but I still think she was wrong to write what she did), I will reply.
It is not the comment alone, but also the context of the comment that matters. Is it ever appropriate to walk up to a complete stranger and make explicit sexual remarks? No. Therefore, it is also not ok to begin a conversation with a complete stranger online using such language. This is common decency.
You seem to know Joryenai well, so perhaps it would not have been shocking to you if she expressed her ideas to you that way, but I had no way of knowing what sort of person was making such remarks towards me.
Even if it was an analogy, it was NOT neutral. Soumia Ben and I were the objects of that analogy (WE were being compared to the sexualized woman), therefore those remarks WERE directed towards us, personally. Because I was uncomfortable having such unwanted sexual comments directed at me, this could be considered sexual harassment. This is NOT a matter of taste. Disliking a comment and being affronted by a comment are not the same thing.
Moreover, since this is a public forum that has users of various ages, nationalities, religions, etc. it seems to me that it is good manners to always try to express yourself in a way that is not likely to be offensive to someone of any background (whether that is profanity, sexual content, etc.). Finally, regardless of what the three of us personally consider to be offensive or not, given that the post was deleted, the admins evidently have judged that such content does not belong on this page.
Perhaps I did not express my feelings about your post strongly enough. I was not "virtue signaling." (Frankly, I feel you have no right to be questioning my morals when you are the one who made the offensive comment and you don't know me at all.) In addition to feeling that such comments are inappropriate on a site with users 13+, I also personally felt uncomfortable and affronted reading your post. My reaction may have been too strong or emotional, but it was quite upsetting to me, and since having a bad experience with another user a couple days ago, I have become very wary of responding to people who may be uncivil. Perhaps my definition of manners is different from yours, but is there any circumstance where it is polite to make such explicit comments to a complete stranger? Would you walk up to a random person on the street and say such things? Unwanted sexual remarks can be considered sexual harassment (I know that is putting it too strongly, but I did feel that way at the time). The fact that you said “pardon” didn’t even register with me, because I was so shocked to receive such remarks from a total stranger. You say your friends and colleagues did not take issue with what you wrote, but I also would have reacted differently if I heard that from a friend whose intentions I understood and trusted, rather than a random person on the Internet. To me your comment was very rude, and I don't understand how you possibly could have considered it an appropriate way to start a conversation with someone you have never spoken to before. Your post was completely inappropriate, regardless; the fact that I could have been a minor only made it more so. I don't really think you can claim to be the victim in this situation, but I apologize for overreacting. I actually have never blocked anyone before. (If you happen to be reading this again and notice that I have added a couple additional remarks to my original comment, well, that just goes to show how strongly I feel the need to explain why your comment was unacceptable, given that you seem to think you've done nothing wrong.)
What makes you think I have tolerance for hate comments? It's not like I've read every comment on this page, and I actually got in an argument with another user, who I felt was rude and derogatory towards the fans of this show (but that was a couple days ago, before I decided simply not to respond to people I felt were rude).
I’m happy to admit I’m wrong about things. And I actually would like to end up liking the show. I only made that comment, because some fans of this show seem unwilling to acknowledge that it has any flaws and are intent on convincing everyone that it’s perfect. I’m sorry for assuming that is what you were tying to do.
I suppose our conversation will end here. Best wishes.
I blocked you because I felt that the sexual content of your comment was vulgar and inappropriate, especially because this is a site frequented by minors, and since my age is not on my profile, you had no way of knowing I was not a minor. I’m not a minor, but I still dislike reading such things. If you consider that prudish or sensitive, I won’t deny that, but unless you discussing the content of an erotic film on that film’s page, I don’t think such content belongs on this site. I would never block someone just because they disagreed with me (I actually think it’s often more interesting to talk to people who disagree than people who share the same thoughts already). You seem like a reasonable person, so I will unblock you on my main account. However, your original comment may have been deleted, because I reported it for offensive content.
I have two accounts, because when I originally made this account I chose a username I didn’t like and realized I could not change it. So I created another account with the username I wanted (my main account) and tried to get this account deleted. But then I decided it would be useful to separate my PTW List, so that my higher priority shows would be on a shorter list (MDL has priority ranking, but I didn’t feel 3 was enough). Normally, I don’t use this account for anything else other than the PTW List.
I think I understand what it was trying to show better now; that just wasn’t what it communicated to me initially. I mean the part about WWX thinking the clans were hypocritical and feeling unjustly ostracized for trying to protect the innocent, I got. Just not so much that it was trying to show that he had reached his breaking point. After rewatching the episode with that explanation in mind it made a bit more sense to me.
About the resentment energy … while I do think that explanation makes it a bit better, I don’t think you will be able to convince me that the battle was well-executed, since I had a number of other issues with it as well. The choices a director makes affects how a scene will impact the viewer, and at least for me, the director made a lot of choices that prevented the scene from having the impact that I think was intended.
Did you block my other account so I can’t even see your response to my comment? Since you don’t seem to want to have a discussion with me, I’ll try to be brief and just say: You’re probably right that it's wrong to expect any degree of objectivity from the MDL ratings. However, I don’t think it’s ever wrong for someone to question why a highly rated show is highly rated (or why a low rated show has a low rating). Therefore, I felt it was a bit inappropriate for you to be so dismissive of Soumia Ben’s opinion (and I would say that even if I disagreed with her opinion), so that's why I responded.
I also have never objected to Joryenai's posts in general, only her explicit comments, which I do not think you should be defending (your comments about analogy were a defense of her explicit comments) given that 1) they were not addressed to you, and 2) the admins have already made the judgement that it was not appropriate on this page.
Best wishes.
It is not the comment alone, but also the context of the comment that matters. Is it ever appropriate to walk up to a complete stranger and make explicit sexual remarks? No. Therefore, it is also not ok to begin a conversation with a complete stranger online using such language. This is common decency.
You seem to know Joryenai well, so perhaps it would not have been shocking to you if she expressed her ideas to you that way, but I had no way of knowing what sort of person was making such remarks towards me.
Even if it was an analogy, it was NOT neutral. Soumia Ben and I were the objects of that analogy (WE were being compared to the sexualized woman), therefore those remarks WERE directed towards us, personally. Because I was uncomfortable having such unwanted sexual comments directed at me, this could be considered sexual harassment. This is NOT a matter of taste. Disliking a comment and being affronted by a comment are not the same thing.
Moreover, since this is a public forum that has users of various ages, nationalities, religions, etc. it seems to me that it is good manners to always try to express yourself in a way that is not likely to be offensive to someone of any background (whether that is profanity, sexual content, etc.). Finally, regardless of what the three of us personally consider to be offensive or not, given that the post was deleted, the admins evidently have judged that such content does not belong on this page.
What makes you think I have tolerance for hate comments? It's not like I've read every comment on this page, and I actually got in an argument with another user, who I felt was rude and derogatory towards the fans of this show (but that was a couple days ago, before I decided simply not to respond to people I felt were rude).
I’m happy to admit I’m wrong about things. And I actually would like to end up liking the show. I only made that comment, because some fans of this show seem unwilling to acknowledge that it has any flaws and are intent on convincing everyone that it’s perfect. I’m sorry for assuming that is what you were tying to do.
I suppose our conversation will end here. Best wishes.
I have two accounts, because when I originally made this account I chose a username I didn’t like and realized I could not change it. So I created another account with the username I wanted (my main account) and tried to get this account deleted. But then I decided it would be useful to separate my PTW List, so that my higher priority shows would be on a shorter list (MDL has priority ranking, but I didn’t feel 3 was enough). Normally, I don’t use this account for anything else other than the PTW List.
I think I understand what it was trying to show better now; that just wasn’t what it communicated to me initially. I mean the part about WWX thinking the clans were hypocritical and feeling unjustly ostracized for trying to protect the innocent, I got. Just not so much that it was trying to show that he had reached his breaking point. After rewatching the episode with that explanation in mind it made a bit more sense to me.
About the resentment energy … while I do think that explanation makes it a bit better, I don’t think you will be able to convince me that the battle was well-executed, since I had a number of other issues with it as well. The choices a director makes affects how a scene will impact the viewer, and at least for me, the director made a lot of choices that prevented the scene from having the impact that I think was intended.