u queer? because that is the straightest take i've heard in relation to s tv show about a literal gay couple.…
yeah, sorry dude, i know i came off a little harsh. it's just that from personal experience a lot of straight people like to decide what parts of queerness they get to hate/appropriate. i came out as trans recently, and one of my cishet friends fully said "ugh, i wish i could just choose to be a different gender, you have it so easy!!" and this is the same person who told me my bi-ness was really "cool" and that they'd kissed girls too, and then proceeded to completely forget that i was into girls and started just matching me with boys and then , when i told them i was uncomfy, they told me that they "thought that i would like it because bi girls love s*x" (im asexual and - as aforementioned - trans so that statement was wrong on both counts).
there's more, but it's safe to say that they're not my friend anymore and that i am super triggered at straights thinking that the queer community is basically a "really long standing joke" that they can criticize and fetishize and stereotype as much as they want. that they can tell our stories and steal our culture and then insult and disrespect us, you know?
and i totally get what you're saying about coming out: in a perfect world, it shouldn't exist. and i agree. that's why i made my first point about the fact that it didn't make sense in the universe the drama created. people shouldn't speculate, you're right, but i still think that labeling has to be addressed at some point if they want to express their support for the queer community - like crediting an artist when you use their art.
and i didn't mean to call you a homophobe at all, but if that's what you got, then i'm so sorry. maybe english isn't your first language, i don't know, but i just wanted to talk about the implications of your phrasing, rather than outright calling you a bigot (i did call you ignorant, so for that i'm sorry). i stand by my points though. more dramas of this subject matter should talk about real queerness, and portray real queerness, not just two dudes deciding to be in a relationship. and as much as that kind of stuff has it's place, i think there also needs to be a real discussion of the real life implications of their romances. why do we get social commentary in het shows, but not bls, when bls probably have more to comment on (props for lovely writer, love by chance, bad buddy and others for trying to do that, whether or not it was completely successful).
and, to be honest, i think we agree more than disagree on this one. but thank you for not being harsh on me, even though i was harsh on you. i really respect that.
Imo the drama is way better than the actual manhwa. The screenwriter is doing a very good job story line without…
u queer?
because that is the straightest take i've heard in relation to s tv show about a literal gay couple. like borderline homophobic.
first, in a show where sexuality is never fully discussed and it's insinuated that jaeyoung's friend group is pretty queer (yuna is bi - she mentions both having a crush on jaeyoung and having a girlfriend in the scene where she tells sangwoo about jaeyoung's dating history) and they seem to not give a rats ass about sangwoo being into jaeyoung and vice versa, it makes sense that there's no big coming out scene. and plus, they wouldn't really have time to develop an internalized homophobia storyline as such.
second, you can't hate the "concept" of coming out??? it's really intrinsic to the queer experience, and internalized homophobia is something a lot of us struggle with. it's really not cool of you to trash those plotlines, because they're not tropes (or "troops" as you put it) in the way that, say, a love triangle is. they're a realistic part of real life struggles. they absolutely are "natural". not gonna lie, it feels a little queerphobic of you to say that coming out is 1) a concept, and 2) something that you can hate. yeah, i wish i didn't have to come out and that nobody gave a damn who i liked, but it's something that has to happen in the world that we live in. and then, why did you mention "questioning about self gender"? the questioning of one's gender has actually got nothing to do with this particular drama. but, really, the idea that you can hate the "concept" of questioning your gender is 1) preposterous, and 2) hella transphobic?? not everybody is completely content with the body that they have, and some people's brains are literally hardwired differently to the gender they've been told they were.
and finally, questioning parts of your self? telling people things about you that you think they should know? hating yourself because of the way you've grown up and the messages you've been given about a demographic? totally and completely normal. (though, you're right, some of them shouldn't be.) are you gonna trash internalized racism next? internalized fatphobia? internalized ableism? or are you just gonna act like you have a say in what queer people have to go through and then proceed to "respect" other marginalized communities. don't play, dude. it's not your fault you're ignorant, but if more dramas and media addressed the "concepts" you "really hate", maybe you wouldn't be.
i do agree with you on other stuff though, the screenwriter really did do an excellent job of developing the romance, ,and making it an engaging watch. but tbh, i did like the drama a little more, the power dynamic felt a little more equal and not jaeyoung being in control of the whole relationship.
there's more, but it's safe to say that they're not my friend anymore and that i am super triggered at straights thinking that the queer community is basically a "really long standing joke" that they can criticize and fetishize and stereotype as much as they want. that they can tell our stories and steal our culture and then insult and disrespect us, you know?
and i totally get what you're saying about coming out: in a perfect world, it shouldn't exist. and i agree. that's why i made my first point about the fact that it didn't make sense in the universe the drama created. people shouldn't speculate, you're right, but i still think that labeling has to be addressed at some point if they want to express their support for the queer community - like crediting an artist when you use their art.
and i didn't mean to call you a homophobe at all, but if that's what you got, then i'm so sorry. maybe english isn't your first language, i don't know, but i just wanted to talk about the implications of your phrasing, rather than outright calling you a bigot (i did call you ignorant, so for that i'm sorry). i stand by my points though. more dramas of this subject matter should talk about real queerness, and portray real queerness, not just two dudes deciding to be in a relationship. and as much as that kind of stuff has it's place, i think there also needs to be a real discussion of the real life implications of their romances. why do we get social commentary in het shows, but not bls, when bls probably have more to comment on (props for lovely writer, love by chance, bad buddy and others for trying to do that, whether or not it was completely successful).
and, to be honest, i think we agree more than disagree on this one. but thank you for not being harsh on me, even though i was harsh on you. i really respect that.
because that is the straightest take i've heard in relation to s tv show about a literal gay couple. like borderline homophobic.
first, in a show where sexuality is never fully discussed and it's insinuated that jaeyoung's friend group is pretty queer (yuna is bi - she mentions both having a crush on jaeyoung and having a girlfriend in the scene where she tells sangwoo about jaeyoung's dating history) and they seem to not give a rats ass about sangwoo being into jaeyoung and vice versa, it makes sense that there's no big coming out scene. and plus, they wouldn't really have time to develop an internalized homophobia storyline as such.
second, you can't hate the "concept" of coming out??? it's really intrinsic to the queer experience, and internalized homophobia is something a lot of us struggle with. it's really not cool of you to trash those plotlines, because they're not tropes (or "troops" as you put it) in the way that, say, a love triangle is. they're a realistic part of real life struggles. they absolutely are "natural". not gonna lie, it feels a little queerphobic of you to say that coming out is 1) a concept, and 2) something that you can hate. yeah, i wish i didn't have to come out and that nobody gave a damn who i liked, but it's something that has to happen in the world that we live in. and then, why did you mention "questioning about self gender"? the questioning of one's gender has actually got nothing to do with this particular drama. but, really, the idea that you can hate the "concept" of questioning your gender is 1) preposterous, and 2) hella transphobic?? not everybody is completely content with the body that they have, and some people's brains are literally hardwired differently to the gender they've been told they were.
and finally, questioning parts of your self? telling people things about you that you think they should know? hating yourself because of the way you've grown up and the messages you've been given about a demographic? totally and completely normal. (though, you're right, some of them shouldn't be.) are you gonna trash internalized racism next? internalized fatphobia? internalized ableism? or are you just gonna act like you have a say in what queer people have to go through and then proceed to "respect" other marginalized communities. don't play, dude. it's not your fault you're ignorant, but if more dramas and media addressed the "concepts" you "really hate", maybe you wouldn't be.
i do agree with you on other stuff though, the screenwriter really did do an excellent job of developing the romance, ,and making it an engaging watch. but tbh, i did like the drama a little more, the power dynamic felt a little more equal and not jaeyoung being in control of the whole relationship.