Wait hold the phone you have to pay!?! I’m confused I thought it was going to be on their YouTube channel?
Not sure where you got that info but that's not the case. They may post the first episode for free on YouTube but that's the most one can hope for in terms of free content.
Agreed. I find it somewhat off-putting how some of these shows marketed themselves as BL when they're not really?…
I'd like to clarify some things, but am going to keep this short as possible since I don't want to get into an extended debate about this.
It's not about fracturing a community. This was a discussion about categories and genres, and the utility of having a certain set of conventions that would determine whether a show would fit that genre. You ask why we should have distinctions. Well, why do we have genres in the first place? Why do people find them useful?
You are free to disagree about what a BL should look like or not look like. I never said that just because something is any of the things you mentioned (preachy, dramatic, serious, etc.) it is automatically disqualified as a BL. But I think having a combination of those things in one show can usually tip the scales and make me think that such a show probably shouldn't be considered a BL.
As stated by reefpicker, I think it's useful to have a distinction between LGBT media and BL. Brokeback Mountain fits your simple definition of a "show about boys falling in love." But would anyone ever argue that Brokeback Mountain is a BL? What about Moonlight? So, no, I don't think that description is enough, there's more to BL than just boys falling in love.
Agreed. I find it somewhat off-putting how some of these shows marketed themselves as BL when they're not really?…
Please point to me a completely uncontested definition of what a BL is, that has the support and complete consensus of all relevant scholars and stakeholders, with an attached list of all shows that are approved to be BLs. There is no definitive listing of what shows are BLs and what aren't, so at the end of the day everything is up to personal preferences, including your own assessment. So thanks for pointing out the obvious.
I don't believe in this idea that just because a show calls itself a BL it should automatically be considered as such. And actually, there are many people who have commented that GSP is not a BL or "more than a BL" (I would disagree since tonally and aesthetically I think it resembles a BL more than it doesn't). So maybe pay attention more, instead of replying with such hostility.
Agreed. I find it somewhat off-putting how some of these shows marketed themselves as BL when they're not really?…
I mean, it is a BL if we consider any show that labels themselves a BL as a BL. I just don't think it resembles traditional BL. It's too serious and dramatic, and at times quite preachy. BLs are also usually chaste (with a lot of exceptions). If we're going to be shallow, the overall unvarnished aesthetic and setting also resembles a lot of Filipino LGBT media. I mean, not quite Brillante Mendoza, but it's more similar to Filipino LGBT indie movies than, say, Dark Blue Kiss. I would characterize MEO similarly.
fuck everyone. sandee, ken's mom, the writer, the director, fuck all of you. Why did they have to have their happy…
Agreed. I find it somewhat off-putting how some of these shows marketed themselves as BL when they're not really? I would add Quaranthings and Sakristan to the list of BLINOs (BL in name only). I would say My Day, Hello Stranger, and Boys Lockdown are the most BL. Gameboys, GSP, and In Between are in the middle. My Extraordinary is on the other side.
It's not about fracturing a community. This was a discussion about categories and genres, and the utility of having a certain set of conventions that would determine whether a show would fit that genre. You ask why we should have distinctions. Well, why do we have genres in the first place? Why do people find them useful?
You are free to disagree about what a BL should look like or not look like. I never said that just because something is any of the things you mentioned (preachy, dramatic, serious, etc.) it is automatically disqualified as a BL. But I think having a combination of those things in one show can usually tip the scales and make me think that such a show probably shouldn't be considered a BL.
As stated by reefpicker, I think it's useful to have a distinction between LGBT media and BL. Brokeback Mountain fits your simple definition of a "show about boys falling in love." But would anyone ever argue that Brokeback Mountain is a BL? What about Moonlight? So, no, I don't think that description is enough, there's more to BL than just boys falling in love.
I don't believe in this idea that just because a show calls itself a BL it should automatically be considered as such. And actually, there are many people who have commented that GSP is not a BL or "more than a BL" (I would disagree since tonally and aesthetically I think it resembles a BL more than it doesn't). So maybe pay attention more, instead of replying with such hostility.
Am I misreading this? Teejay is Asian. For that matter, so is Bright (although half).