Hello, can someone tell me if there is Qianlong southern trip scenes in this drama with grand royal boats and…
This drama is completely centered around the harem and tries to depend on the feeling of confinement that FL feels in the forbidden city. Therefore, unfortunately, there are very few "outside the palace" scenes.
so what the out come of xu kai char and fml characters? they end up together or what? he die or what?
He dies at the end of the drama, more than a decade after breaking up with FL. They are only together at the beginning, a first true love they are not allowed to live.
The "mother" of FL is despicable and I blame the writers for imposing such a character on us.
Who can raise an adorable, kind, sweet girl from 3 months old to 27 years old and EVER love her? She dares to try to force the FL into an arranged marriage to get rid of her and imposes an ultimatum on her to marry or leave the house. Knowing that the girl always grew up thinking this woman was her mother. And, at the death of the husband, she reveals the truth and chases the girl away definitively, cutting all ties while there will always be the little brother (son of this woman) as a link between them. But when the loan sharks seize the house, it is up to the rejected girl to house her family in a hotel, to look for accommodation, to clean, arrange and pay for the accommodation. And after, the mother has the nerve to tell the daughter again to get out of her life BUT to give them money for 5 years for the brother's college, housing, food and so on. But as soon as a problem arises, the mother calls the female lead to come quickly to help her. Make sense, make sense! She is no longer her daughter but has to lend them money for 5 years (selling her things and exhausting herself with a second job) and must be ready to come at any time to help the mother with her daily problems. And the mother has the nerve to try to break FL and ML up like she has a right after saying she's not her family.
I would have been the daughter, I would have yelled at the mother like a rotten fish and cut off all ties apart from my brother. I find it unbearable to have to put up with such a character and a FL who is too kind and loving to refuse anything to the woman who raised her without love. Even an animal is capable of loving the little one it adopts, but this woman cannot.
And let's not talk about the manipulative, self-centered, crazy half-sister who does everything to destroy FL's happiness. Why inflict so much pain on a single character, too good to fight back?
I don't know which was worse: the ML who was simultaneously stupid, arrogant, clumsy and uninteresting or the FL who is badass but does almost nothing in 20 episodes. As the twin sister of the slain Crown Prince, she has done nothing in 10 years to avenge his death. As the second prince's big sister, she attempted to take his rightful place and never protected him until it was too late. As a girl whose existence was a threat to her grandfather, she never sought to weaken his power and get rid of him. As a girl forced to live as crown prince, she never realistically planned her future and exit plan. She was planning to marry a woman and become king? Bullshit! This drama had some ideas to be interesting about, but the boring romance, the slowness of the story, the unrealism of the situation and the lack of participation by the FL (who gets saved more often than I would have dared to imagine for a woman who grown up as a man and learned to fight) make the drama indigestible. I moved everything forward.
The two versions are quite different so it is difficult to say which is the best, especially since it depends on taste. I would say the Chinese version has a more classical, mature and epic narration but the Korean version is the most emotionally and humanly endearing.
They did but decided to remove the last few minutes from the ending, we don't know why.
I think they decided to do a more heartbreaking ending in order to make an impression. But anyone who has read the novel or seen the Chinese version knows the ending is hopeful. In my head, as it was the purpose of this story, it is an hopeful ending. We just didn't see Wang So in the present.
I'm in the middle of a rewatch and... can we talk for a second about how weak and insufferable the 14th Prince is in the way he hates the 4th Prince? His 3rd brother and his mother plot to have the crown prince and his own father the king killed many times, they plot a rebellion, frame Hae Soo for murdering the crown prince, yet he prefers to blame the 4th prince for everything and never does anything to prevent these misfortunes. When the 10th prince dies, although he is gifted in combat, Jung remains there to watch and doesn't think of freeing himself from the guards who held him until the damage has been done. His 3rd brother killed his sister-in-law and shot the 10th prince twice, yet it is the 4th prince who finishes their brother at his plea who takes the hatred. Sorry, I need to rant.
Personally, more than the acting of IU (which is correct even if not exceptional) it is the writing of the character…
Exactly! That she is against torture and death penalty is understandable. But that she justifies and forgives everything her friend and the 8th prince did under the pretext that one was a slave (while she had the choice to change sides but didn't do it out of love) and that the other would have done that because he loves her, is unbearable and incomprehensible. The 8th Prince uses Hae Soo's excuse, but it's his obsession, ambition, cruelty, and jealousy that lead to quite a bit of drama. Yet he is forgiven. But the 4th Prince who keeps being honest with Hae Soo is deemed untrustworthy because she has nightmarish visions? It's quite frustrating... I'm still outraged when I think to the death of the crown prince and the 10th prince and the suffering of the 4th prince.
And yes, they missed an opportunity to make Hae Soo's character unique. In the end, the fact she comes from the future is only anecdotal and only there to create distance and misunderstandings between her and the 4th prince.
Which version should I try to watch. While the story lines seem to be the same in both, based on the website that…
I recommend the Korean version if you want the main couple to be at the heart of the story. The international version made editing choices to the detriment of the ML and his relationship to the FL, which the Korean version corrected.
Wish the last episode had come with a trigger warning, it wasn't good for my depression and now I feel like life…
The final scene was cut but that's what happens. When she cries in front of his painting, Wang So, in modern clothes, appears and gives her a handkerchief. It's up to the audience to decide whether it's Wang So from the past who found a way to join her or his reincarnation with whom Hae Soo will have a real chance to build a relationship in her time.
The only thing I didn’t like in this drama was IU’s acting (even now )and put hold on her future works then…
Personally, more than the acting of IU (which is correct even if not exceptional) it is the writing of the character of Hae Soo which poses a problem. The audience has little access to her thoughts, which makes it difficult to connect to her. Plus, she's sometimes more of a filler for 21st-century audiences to identify with than a real character. Her backstory is purely anecdotal and doesn't serve the plot. What good is it to tell us she was cheated on by her best friend and boyfriend if the first thing she does in the past is to fall in love with her cousin's husband and flirt with him while his wife is dying? The character could have been very complex if we were shown she clings to the 8th prince because she was heartbroken and idealizes this man while at the same time fighting her feelings out of respect for her cousin and feeling like she's a hypocrite. Likewise, as an independent woman of the 21st century, we never have her point of view on the place of women and polygamy. Wang So tells us once she told him she didn't like polygamy, but that was offscreen. Hae Soo could have been a great tragic character, torn between morality and sentiment, 21st century independence and 10th century reality and so on. Instead, she is often a tool of the script, used as a powder keg to precipitate the tragic elements of the story. The 8th Prince killed the Crown Prince, helped to kill the 10th prince and plotted to kill his own father and the 4th prince. Yet Hae Soo defends him just because they have a past, it's illogical when she spends the whole drama worrying about the 4th Prince killing his brothers. It was purely to create a misunderstanding and drama between the main couple.
The love she had for the 8th prince was one of idealization and recognition. He was kind, charming, honorable…
I see what you mean. I also saw the Chinese version, before seeing the Korean version. Indeed, the 4th Chinese prince is not wild like Wang So but he is more secretive and calculating, which was why the FL didn't know him very well and did not know what she has signed for. Unlike Hae Soo who knows and understands Wang So. I think the main difference is in the personalities of the two leads. Hae Soo is portrayed as an independent yet romantic 21st century woman. While the 4th Prince is a complex, wild and lonely man from the 10th century. Therefore, Hae Soo is more cautious with him because he doesn't match at all to what she imagines of a lover and a relationship. While he is more obsessive and demonstrative because she is the only one who has managed to pierce his shell. And that is understandable. I think most women in the 21st century would rather relate to men like the 8th or 13th prince than men like the 4th. Until you know them more personally and sees they are all human and that those who seem perfect on the outside can be very imperfect on the inside and vice versa.
After more than 5 years, I am still wandering if Hae Soo really loved 4th Prince or not. I know she loved him…
The love she had for the 8th prince was one of idealization and recognition. He was kind, charming, honorable and was a pillar for her at a time she struggled to accept this new reality. With the 8th prince, Hae Soo was also sometimes the age of her body: a 15-year-old girl having her first crush. But she never knew her crush's flaws and they never share a deeply connection with an open heart. The love for the 4th prince was more mature, deeper, based on understanding, sympathy and hardships they share together. But she put a distance between them for so long. First, he kept threatening her, then he was a bit intimidating or flirty, and then she had her terrible visions telling her he would go mad and kill everyone she loves. In addition, at this time she had feelings for the 8th prince and the promise of a simple life away from palace intrigues. It was difficult for her to accept a wild prince with a terrible fate when one aspires to a simple life. But she confesses it in episode 12: even though she had feelings for the 8th prince, she couldn't ignore the 4th but was scare of what it meant to be close to him. Just see how much Soo cares about the 4th Prince in the early episodes while he is extremely menacing. She doesn't run away from him but tries to understand him, consoles him or argues with him to expose her pov. It's not the attitude of someone who doesn't care or hates someone. And her attitude when he is too close to her is also telling. She is not insensitive to the 4th prince but he is too intimidating and complicated for her. The calm and apparent simplicity of the 8th prince suits more in her mind.
I know I shouldn't expect too much from some dramas but... it still shocks me the way the script writes the plots around Chris. The kid is 6 years old and he can move freely in the city. His teacher accompanies him behind the mother's back to see his father who doesn't recognize him but the teacher apparently is unable to understand the situation and continues to let the kid go wherever he wants without supervision and without telling the mother. It's outright neglect! I'm really starting to pull my hair out when I see this. The whole intrigue with the psychopathic sisters is unbearable but add to that a 6 year old kid who can do whatever he wants, I am on the verge of breaking down.
The "mother" of FL is despicable and I blame the writers for imposing such a character on us.
Who can raise an adorable, kind, sweet girl from 3 months old to 27 years old and EVER love her? She dares to try to force the FL into an arranged marriage to get rid of her and imposes an ultimatum on her to marry or leave the house. Knowing that the girl always grew up thinking this woman was her mother. And, at the death of the husband, she reveals the truth and chases the girl away definitively, cutting all ties while there will always be the little brother (son of this woman) as a link between them. But when the loan sharks seize the house, it is up to the rejected girl to house her family in a hotel, to look for accommodation, to clean, arrange and pay for the accommodation. And after, the mother has the nerve to tell the daughter again to get out of her life BUT to give them money for 5 years for the brother's college, housing, food and so on.
But as soon as a problem arises, the mother calls the female lead to come quickly to help her. Make sense, make sense! She is no longer her daughter but has to lend them money for 5 years (selling her things and exhausting herself with a second job) and must be ready to come at any time to help the mother with her daily problems. And the mother has the nerve to try to break FL and ML up like she has a right after saying she's not her family.
I would have been the daughter, I would have yelled at the mother like a rotten fish and cut off all ties apart from my brother. I find it unbearable to have to put up with such a character and a FL who is too kind and loving to refuse anything to the woman who raised her without love. Even an animal is capable of loving the little one it adopts, but this woman cannot.
And let's not talk about the manipulative, self-centered, crazy half-sister who does everything to destroy FL's happiness. Why inflict so much pain on a single character, too good to fight back?
As the twin sister of the slain Crown Prince, she has done nothing in 10 years to avenge his death.
As the second prince's big sister, she attempted to take his rightful place and never protected him until it was too late.
As a girl whose existence was a threat to her grandfather, she never sought to weaken his power and get rid of him.
As a girl forced to live as crown prince, she never realistically planned her future and exit plan. She was planning to marry a woman and become king? Bullshit!
This drama had some ideas to be interesting about, but the boring romance, the slowness of the story, the unrealism of the situation and the lack of participation by the FL (who gets saved more often than I would have dared to imagine for a woman who grown up as a man and learned to fight) make the drama indigestible. I moved everything forward.
I would say the Chinese version has a more classical, mature and epic narration but the Korean version is the most emotionally and humanly endearing.
But anyone who has read the novel or seen the Chinese version knows the ending is hopeful.
In my head, as it was the purpose of this story, it is an hopeful ending. We just didn't see Wang So in the present.
His 3rd brother and his mother plot to have the crown prince and his own father the king killed many times, they plot a rebellion, frame Hae Soo for murdering the crown prince, yet he prefers to blame the 4th prince for everything and never does anything to prevent these misfortunes.
When the 10th prince dies, although he is gifted in combat, Jung remains there to watch and doesn't think of freeing himself from the guards who held him until the damage has been done. His 3rd brother killed his sister-in-law and shot the 10th prince twice, yet it is the 4th prince who finishes their brother at his plea who takes the hatred.
Sorry, I need to rant.
The 8th Prince uses Hae Soo's excuse, but it's his obsession, ambition, cruelty, and jealousy that lead to quite a bit of drama. Yet he is forgiven.
But the 4th Prince who keeps being honest with Hae Soo is deemed untrustworthy because she has nightmarish visions? It's quite frustrating...
I'm still outraged when I think to the death of the crown prince and the 10th prince and the suffering of the 4th prince.
And yes, they missed an opportunity to make Hae Soo's character unique. In the end, the fact she comes from the future is only anecdotal and only there to create distance and misunderstandings between her and the 4th prince.
The audience has little access to her thoughts, which makes it difficult to connect to her. Plus, she's sometimes more of a filler for 21st-century audiences to identify with than a real character.
Her backstory is purely anecdotal and doesn't serve the plot. What good is it to tell us she was cheated on by her best friend and boyfriend if the first thing she does in the past is to fall in love with her cousin's husband and flirt with him while his wife is dying? The character could have been very complex if we were shown she clings to the 8th prince because she was heartbroken and idealizes this man while at the same time fighting her feelings out of respect for her cousin and feeling like she's a hypocrite.
Likewise, as an independent woman of the 21st century, we never have her point of view on the place of women and polygamy. Wang So tells us once she told him she didn't like polygamy, but that was offscreen. Hae Soo could have been a great tragic character, torn between morality and sentiment, 21st century independence and 10th century reality and so on.
Instead, she is often a tool of the script, used as a powder keg to precipitate the tragic elements of the story.
The 8th Prince killed the Crown Prince, helped to kill the 10th prince and plotted to kill his own father and the 4th prince. Yet Hae Soo defends him just because they have a past, it's illogical when she spends the whole drama worrying about the 4th Prince killing his brothers. It was purely to create a misunderstanding and drama between the main couple.
I think the main difference is in the personalities of the two leads. Hae Soo is portrayed as an independent yet romantic 21st century woman. While the 4th Prince is a complex, wild and lonely man from the 10th century. Therefore, Hae Soo is more cautious with him because he doesn't match at all to what she imagines of a lover and a relationship. While he is more obsessive and demonstrative because she is the only one who has managed to pierce his shell.
And that is understandable. I think most women in the 21st century would rather relate to men like the 8th or 13th prince than men like the 4th. Until you know them more personally and sees they are all human and that those who seem perfect on the outside can be very imperfect on the inside and vice versa.
The love for the 4th prince was more mature, deeper, based on understanding, sympathy and hardships they share together. But she put a distance between them for so long. First, he kept threatening her, then he was a bit intimidating or flirty, and then she had her terrible visions telling her he would go mad and kill everyone she loves.
In addition, at this time she had feelings for the 8th prince and the promise of a simple life away from palace intrigues. It was difficult for her to accept a wild prince with a terrible fate when one aspires to a simple life. But she confesses it in episode 12: even though she had feelings for the 8th prince, she couldn't ignore the 4th but was scare of what it meant to be close to him.
Just see how much Soo cares about the 4th Prince in the early episodes while he is extremely menacing. She doesn't run away from him but tries to understand him, consoles him or argues with him to expose her pov. It's not the attitude of someone who doesn't care or hates someone. And her attitude when he is too close to her is also telling. She is not insensitive to the 4th prince but he is too intimidating and complicated for her. The calm and apparent simplicity of the 8th prince suits more in her mind.
The whole intrigue with the psychopathic sisters is unbearable but add to that a 6 year old kid who can do whatever he wants, I am on the verge of breaking down.