mimi0108

I just finished episode 3 and OMG!!!
I thought, based on the ML's reaction when she accidentally falls on him and kisses him, that they had never been intimate. But in fact yes and she even aborted their child. It's awful!!
How can we cope with the fact the FL was forced into marriage and suffered marital rape?
I'm so pissed, nothing can redeem ML.
And I find the choice to start the story halfway bad because all the important stuff happened before and bits of flashbacks won't do justice to what happened.

I'm glad if my comment was able to reassure you a little.
More than once XY has shown XL she is giving him a chance (by letting him a chance to kiss her underwater, by telling him she will agree to follow him if he abandons his responsibilities or that 'she would have liked to save him in the arena in order to allow him to live free, by asking him who she should marry other than FFL). She wouldn't do all this if she didn't know there was a reciprocity of feelings on his side.
But their relationship is full of unsaid or hurtful words to hide their true thoughts/feelings.
Each is aware of the other's feelings.
Each is aware that hurtful words are often an armor.
But both still takes each hurtful action/word personally because:
- it's a way to prevent themselves from indulging in any romance between them that they know is impossible;
- it fuels mutual anger they had to each other precisely because of this inability to show their true thoughts.

I've been crying non-stop for several hours watching the latest episodes. Superb performance from the cast.
I wasn't as carried away by this season as the first but there were some very beautiful moments nonetheless.

I'm too mentally exhausted to analyze the entire season byt I would like to talk about about XY & XL:

Like some, I would have liked to see XY cry more over XL's death. BUT I think her reaction makes sense:
she always tried to contain and deny her love for him. She loved XL in silence for a century, it makes sense for her to mourn him silently (even if we see that it's painful).
As for her words, as with everything related to her relationship with XL, we should not take it literally. She knows XL doesn't hate her, she knows he loves her in a way and she's smart enough to understand if he was mean the last time they met AND deleted all memories of him it's not out of hatred but out of love.

But she's precisely angry with him for that. She has long blamed him for making decisions for both of them, for choosing to be cruel or insensitive or mean to create distance between them, always making it difficult for her to know the depth of his feelings.

And now she has lost him forever she realizes that he once again has to decide for both of them. Her words are anger towards hims and a way of creating a distance from the pain she feels. It's the lack of respect towards her, deprived of free will, that she condemns.

An enemy general, preparing for his last battle, would have no use thinking about deleting the memories of an acquaintance and XY knows it. But a man who loved her would have remembered this detail and made sure not to leave anything behind. XY understands what erasing the mirror means, it doesn't make it any less painful or lessen her anger towards him though.

It is also said XL only sees her as an object of trade yet we all know how much he loves her.
The relationship between XY and XL is made up of unsaid words, innuendoes and refusals to admit to each other what they really think.
To fail to realize this is to miss one of the big point of the story about a girl who loves two men romantically.
XY said she's more terrified of falling in love with XL than of dying (she who is afraid of suffering and death) why? Because she knows that kind of love would be devastating for her.
XY would rather suffer than be hypnotized and reveal who she really wants to spend the rest of her life with. Why? Because admitting it's XL would be too painful.
XY loves XL and, if she was free to choose and he had let her, she could have chosen him. But because of who she is, because of who he is, they can't and each does everything not to cross the line and reveal their feelings for the other.
Saying this doesn't diminish the relationship XY has with TSJ or her love for him. It's just respecting the story as it told to us :
XY shares the Lovers Bug with XL, something impossible if there was no mutual romantic love between them.
XY saved memories of XL in her mirror, which surprises her father who thought they would be memories of TSJ.
XY tells XL she will follow him if he gives up everything.
She keeps giving him chances and hoping while not daring to take the first step and so on.

A part of her knows XL loves her. This is also why she has certain reactions at times and certain hopes. But XL being good at hiding his feelings and hurting her with his words or actions, XY never stops doubting his feelings for her and their depth. She's such an insecure person, so cynical AND she's so afraid of being hurt by him more than she already is that she takes every hurt as an excuse to tell herself he doesn't love her enough.
As for CX, I think it's the same but more muffled. A tiny part of her suspects CX has feelings for her. But he is her brother, her only family, her only real support that she completely denies any suspicion she might have.

Let's be honest, if she knew everything he had done for her, she wouldn't be able to survive his death.
As unfair, heartbreaking, frustrating and painful as it is for both of them, it's perhaps best because it allows him to die without much regret and her to be able to continue living.

They're the same person. FFB was a free spirit who could be close to XY, her best friend, her soulmate, someone she could have a future with. Xiang Liu is the emotionless demon General who can't prioritise her.
By killing his identity as FFB, XL is no longer free to be the companion XY cherished. So she grieves the hope of a possibility for them and the spirit of FFB. She's now facing XL, a demon who can't/doesn't want to show emotion to her and his devote to his cause.

He would have put up barriers but not as many. Certainly he is aware of his destiny and the opposing camps in which they are. But if there, with all the barriers she has put, he still doesn't stop hoping, it is certain he would have had less restrictions if she had been more open towards him. They almost kiss twice and it would have taken just one to pass the point of no return.

XY and XL both know the other has feelings for them. BUT given they are not openly honest about their feelings, that XY made a promise to TSJ, and that XL is tied to his adoptive father and his cause, each doubts the depth of the other's feelings and wants some confirmation. That's why they can't stop taking one step forward and ten steps back. Each , in turn, tries to probe the other, to make him/her understand there is a chance, to make him/her say what he/her feels. But each time, they don't follow through and only make themselves suffer and doubt more.

I think he knows it.
It may be implied when she asks him how long he's known about her marriage and he says since she's been in Haoling. This means he heard about it and probably came to see her. When she sees snow, maybe he was there but hidden because he hadn't made up his mind yet.

They missed their chance. If she hadn't made this promise to TSJ at the beginning, she might have kissed XL for breathing underwater in episode 19 or been a little less afraid of him "appearing in her dreams" or letting her guard down on other occasions. But she never allowed herself to because of that promess and XL started putting up walls around his feelings and got to a point where, even though he tests her to see what she feels, he knows he can't. Nothing must begin between them.
It's so sad because this have taken away the possibility of expressing their feelings and having this real possibility between them and we see them choking under the sobs of their repressed feelings.

I agree. There's no right and wrong about her endgame because :
1) That's her choice
2) That's what life is sometimes
3) She loved them both (even if it's in different way it's romantic love anyway)
4) It's realistic to not have a perfect ending. Life is imperfect and unfair. Neither men is perfect, neither life she'll have with them will be. All we can hope it's that her ending will be the less regretful for her and she'll have a chance to happiness.

I really like your analysis.

Indeed, XL is the risky choice/love. That's why she's afraid of letting him go into her Dreams. He's a "Bad boy" in some way. If she let's her guard down, she'll fall completly and violently. Since, despise her efforts, we saw her waiting and longing for him and hitting chance to him.

As for TSJ, like you said, he can give her the peace, security and priority she always wanted. It's a slow burn because it took time for her to open her heart for him (even if she made a promise really soon) but she chose him and started been seduced by his attitudes and devotion to her. She felt safe enough to be vulnerable but, at the same time, always keept a part of who she really is for herself because, maybe, a part of her was working on this relationship rather than letting it be organic. She acted the way she thought he want her to be, like been more feminine and childish sometimes.

We need to start a "Free Hug session for XL"

I haven't pay too much thoughts about the lovers bug at the beginning of this Season. But you're right, feeling her pain made it difficult for him to stay away. However, I stand that XL is masochist. He knows he can't bé with her but, deep down, he can't help to gravitate around her, saying some innuendos and hoping for reciprocity. That's why I said he tortured himself. They both did. Because their heads know they can't be but their heart are still beating for each other, as each other. So they're hoping deep inside.

You're welcome. Glad my thoughts were liked x)

Because his fiancé was pregnant so he needed to marry her and raise their child.

I don't have the same interpretation. I think the drama succeeds in showing us she pines for both and even pointing out to us XL is the one she would choose if she were free of all responsibility, as she tells her grandfather.
"I can't be free and casual like you want because my last name stops me. If I did what I wanted, I would join XL, but I can't."
She openly admits what she wants most at that moment is to be with XL but that being from two enemy camps, her birth chose for her they could not be/hang out together.
That’s the tragedy of this moment. XY is in mourning for the two men she loves, for the two lives she would have had, for the choices that were taken away from her.
And while TSJ is definitely lost in her eyes (since he's married with a child), she still desperately and involuntarily clings to a hope for XL, which is why she keeps questioning him, to see if he would be ready to give them a chance.

I just finished the 3 episodes and my heart breaks for all the characters (except the new queen who doesn't deserve an ounce of pity) and at the same time, I'm frustrated by them FOR THEM.

TSJ is a shadow of himself but, as usual, he closes in on himself, is mute and suffers fate a little too much. I feel sorry for him and, at the same time, I want to shake him by telling him "either you act to become master of your destiny again, or you lock yourself permanently in your room and no longer appear in front of XY for the torment".

CX has to endure marriage after marriage and he is expected to consume each marriages even though it's torture for him. It's horrible to see the price you pay to be in power. Even though that's the choice he made and his obsession with XY scares me, I feel nauseous for him when the crown keeps forcing him to sacrifice his heart and body for the kingdom.

XL likes to suffer and he wants more. He keeps reaffirming he will die for his cause and will not choose the path of survival but, for all that, he continues to torture himself by circling around XY and hoping deep down she will return his affection while at the same time pushing her away and choosing to deny the reciprocity he feels on her side. These two are unbearably masochistic!

XY, my poor XY. She is drowning under the weight of her status as a princess and the loneliness it brings her. CX is the king and has responsibilities. She has no friends or lover to keep her company. She is heartbroken because of the two men she loves and lost: TSJ and XL.

The scenes with XL/FFB were incredibly powerful because of all the innuendo between the two. When we talk about star-crossed lovers, they are the exact definition. XL wants to know who she really loves because a part of him is aware she loves him and wants to hear her say it, XY persists in wanting to know if XL could choose her if she gave him one more chance. But each, to protect themselves and for fear of the other, refuses to be completely honest, perpetuating the misunderstanding between them.
The mutual hope and sadness in their eyes as each tries to question the other about their intentions, near the bridge, is heartbreaking. And the look that each gives to the other as they see them leave expresses everything they cannot say to each other.
When XY cries afterwards for TSJ, it's pretty obvious she's also crying for XL, for the fact that no matter what man she loves, she can't have him. XL is an uncontrollable love, the one she would choose if she had no responsibilities (as she tells her grandfather). TSJ is the reasonable choice, someone with whom she can build a future, someone stable and kind who can be a lifelong companion. Despite loving two different men who can offer her two different lives, she can't have them . Neither the man she desires and loves in spite of herself, nor the man she chose as a suitable husband and learned to love. Her frustration and pain are heartbreaking.

I told myself the same thing, the voice seemed odd it's why I asked here if anyone had a clue.

Just saw this on FB. Do someone know where this coming and if it's legit?
https://fb.watch/t6GmGw1RfT/